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Wow, those uniforms look awful. I always thought that the six-color "chocolate chip" Desert Battle Dress uniform was one of the worst-looking designs that we ever adopted, and I sometimes feel sorry for the Iraqi Army personnel who now wear our old surplus DBDs. I'm not sure it's accurate, either, because I'm pretty sure that by the time this movie was made, the DoD had already gone over to the three-color Desert Combat Uniform. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] | Wow, those uniforms look awful. I always thought that the six-color "chocolate chip" Desert Battle Dress uniform was one of the worst-looking designs that we ever adopted, and I sometimes feel sorry for the Iraqi Army personnel who now wear our old surplus DBDs. I'm not sure it's accurate, either, because I'm pretty sure that by the time this movie was made, the DoD had already gone over to the three-color Desert Combat Uniform. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] | ||
:You'r right. The US Military had already replaced the chocolate chip with the desert combat uniform, but hey, atleast is not as bad as the brazilian military using the camouflage that germany was using before they replaced it with flecktarn(or is it flecktern?) digital camouflege.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
::Actually, the 'chocolate chip' camouflage took a few years to fully phase out. there were a few instances where both it and the three-color 'coffee stain' desert pattern were worn together. This was accurately depicted in ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' where the Rangers had 3-color DCU's and had 'chocolate chip' covers on their PASGT helmets. Same thing happened when the Army switched over to the new ACU uniforms; there was a period where you'd see soldiers wearing a combination of the pixelized ACU pattern along with the old Woodland pattern & 3-color desert pattern. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
::Another thing I just noticed; in the scene where Paulie Shore's character flubs the grenade throw during training, the female Drill Sergeant is wearing a Vietnam-era M69 fragmentation vest (OD green, no shoulder pads) instead of the PASGT vest (woodland & 'chocolate chip' camo, shoulder pads) that was standard-issue at the time (Paulie Shore can actually be seen wearing one in that scene, interestingly). | |||
[[Image:ItANM67.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Paulie Shore flubs a grenade throw decked out in a woodland camo PASGT vest while his Drill Sgt. looks on wearing an obsolete M69 fragmentation vest]] | |||
I've heard of 'hero' guns before, but 'hero' body armor? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 11:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
::Yet another funny uniform bit, check out the sleeves on the characters' BDU's in this scene. I thought these people were soldiers, not Marines? | |||
[[Image:ItANAT4 1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Paulie Shore gets a dressing-down on the incorrect handling of an M136 AT4, both him and the Lt. Colonel chastizing him wearing their BDU sleeves rolled up as if they were in the Marine Corps]] | |||
I know these actors know dick about the military, but come on, at least put forth SOME effort not to embarass yourselves! [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
Actually the actors have it right. The Army (back when it was allowed) had the cuff (camo) folded back over the rolled up portion of the sleeve. The Marines just roll them up, with the inside facing out. | |||
[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/lostncybr/Tutorial%20-%20Military%20Related/How%20to%20Roll%20up%20your%20BDU%20Sleeves%20the%20US%20Army%20way/ArmySleeve013.jpg Army] | |||
[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T7Hz_E8j9lA/R67sni-8SQI/AAAAAAAAAA4/JhH9DO2pTjg/s320/marine4.jpg Marines] | |||
[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:30 26 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Yea, thats Air Force style, not Marines. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]] | |||
==M16 Rifles== | |||
These were LaFrance Specialties converted Colt AR15 SP1's supplied by Ellis Mercantile for the movie. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]] | |||
:Thanks! I figured they might be conversions of older-model civvie ARs (it's usually a safe bet when the gun doesn't have the fencing around the magazine well, though not always). We have a picture of a converted AR-15 SP1, too, though ours has a forward assist (unlike most of the guns in the movie). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] | |||
:Actually, scratch what I previously said in this spot. The dust cover is just hanging open. >_< [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 16:59, 4 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
::It isn't a pure M16A2 as it has a partial fence lower. My guess is that it is a civvie rifle with a full auto lower from a different gun, similarly to the other sporters. It strikes me as odd though that they are using partial fence lowers, normally they are slab side or A1. Now that I think about it, this is the only thing that I remember actually seeing a partial fence lower in. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 4 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
== M16 on movie poster == | |||
If you look closely at the grenade launcher's trigger guard, you can see it's long rectangular shape, a shape which is distinctive to the faux launcher used in Predator, Scarface, and Heartbreak Ridge. So I've edited the section at the top of this page to reflect that ID. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:17, 6 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 21:55, 22 October 2016
Discussion
Wow, those uniforms look awful. I always thought that the six-color "chocolate chip" Desert Battle Dress uniform was one of the worst-looking designs that we ever adopted, and I sometimes feel sorry for the Iraqi Army personnel who now wear our old surplus DBDs. I'm not sure it's accurate, either, because I'm pretty sure that by the time this movie was made, the DoD had already gone over to the three-color Desert Combat Uniform. -MT2008
- You'r right. The US Military had already replaced the chocolate chip with the desert combat uniform, but hey, atleast is not as bad as the brazilian military using the camouflage that germany was using before they replaced it with flecktarn(or is it flecktern?) digital camouflege.Oliveira 16:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, the 'chocolate chip' camouflage took a few years to fully phase out. there were a few instances where both it and the three-color 'coffee stain' desert pattern were worn together. This was accurately depicted in Black Hawk Down where the Rangers had 3-color DCU's and had 'chocolate chip' covers on their PASGT helmets. Same thing happened when the Army switched over to the new ACU uniforms; there was a period where you'd see soldiers wearing a combination of the pixelized ACU pattern along with the old Woodland pattern & 3-color desert pattern. Orca1 9904 02:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- Another thing I just noticed; in the scene where Paulie Shore's character flubs the grenade throw during training, the female Drill Sergeant is wearing a Vietnam-era M69 fragmentation vest (OD green, no shoulder pads) instead of the PASGT vest (woodland & 'chocolate chip' camo, shoulder pads) that was standard-issue at the time (Paulie Shore can actually be seen wearing one in that scene, interestingly).
I've heard of 'hero' guns before, but 'hero' body armor? Orca1 9904 11:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yet another funny uniform bit, check out the sleeves on the characters' BDU's in this scene. I thought these people were soldiers, not Marines?
I know these actors know dick about the military, but come on, at least put forth SOME effort not to embarass yourselves! Orca1 9904 22:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually the actors have it right. The Army (back when it was allowed) had the cuff (camo) folded back over the rolled up portion of the sleeve. The Marines just roll them up, with the inside facing out. Army Marines Ranger01 23:30 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yea, thats Air Force style, not Marines. -Winchester
M16 Rifles
These were LaFrance Specialties converted Colt AR15 SP1's supplied by Ellis Mercantile for the movie. -Steve
- Thanks! I figured they might be conversions of older-model civvie ARs (it's usually a safe bet when the gun doesn't have the fencing around the magazine well, though not always). We have a picture of a converted AR-15 SP1, too, though ours has a forward assist (unlike most of the guns in the movie). -MT2008
- Actually, scratch what I previously said in this spot. The dust cover is just hanging open. >_< Spartan198 (talk) 16:59, 4 April 2013 (EDT)
- It isn't a pure M16A2 as it has a partial fence lower. My guess is that it is a civvie rifle with a full auto lower from a different gun, similarly to the other sporters. It strikes me as odd though that they are using partial fence lowers, normally they are slab side or A1. Now that I think about it, this is the only thing that I remember actually seeing a partial fence lower in. --commando552 (talk) 19:14, 4 April 2013 (EDT)
M16 on movie poster
If you look closely at the grenade launcher's trigger guard, you can see it's long rectangular shape, a shape which is distinctive to the faux launcher used in Predator, Scarface, and Heartbreak Ridge. So I've edited the section at the top of this page to reflect that ID. Spartan198 (talk) 06:17, 6 July 2014 (EDT)