Talk:Chicago (2002 Film)

The Smith & Wesson Model 36 is not correct, I think. Well historically the Model 36 didn't come out until 1950!! and this film takes place in the 1920s. Also the S&W Terrier which the Model 36 is based on didn't come out until 1937, again too late for the time frame of this film. Also the gun looks too small to be a Model 36 (which fires the .38 special round), so it is more likely to be the S&W Terrier which shot the .38 S&W round. (but I don't expect historical gun accuracy from THIS movie)

Lucy Liu's gun is not a Colt Detective Special, and it certainly is not a handgun from the period. Look at the full ejector shroud and the front sight, both elements of a post 1950s DA concealable revolver. But the kicker is the shape of the frontward slope of the frame. Right now I am not sure what it is, but it is not currently matching any of the side profiles we have for Charter Arms, Colt, or Smith & Wesson for any small revolver. MoviePropMaster2008 07:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

PS I'm almost embarrassed you did this page Anonymous LOL, now if you do a page for the movie NINE I'll really wonder about you ;) MoviePropMaster2008 07:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC) BTW, I'm just joking with you ;)

When I wrote this article I did not assume that they were using correct period guns (except maybe in the case of the Police Positive) so I just identified them visually as best I could. I stated that the two snub-noses were a Model 36 and a third generation Detective Special based on their ejectors and hammers which at the time were the only distingusishing features I considered (I never though to look at the overall size which probly doesn't reflect well on me.)

PS, It's really not that bad a film;) -Anonymous

I think it's a pretty good musical. --Jcordell 16:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Colt Detective Special

I don't mean to be confrontational MPM but I fail to see why Lucy Liu's Weapon can't be a third generatoin CDS. -Anonymous

it may the angle of the screencaps, but I compared the same angle to a 3rd Gen CDS and the frame shape looks different. The slope and shape seems to be at a different angle, and I held the CDS and looked at it from several angles and thought it looked different from the gun she is carrying, thus not the CDS. I would double check again, but the gun is out, so I will have to wait. MPM

Okay, here is the comparison pic. I took a shot of the flip side of a Colt 3rd Gen Revolver just for you! :) Do you think these are the same revolver? Look at the hammer, not only shape but how much is visible outside of the frame. Look at the screw placement on the frame. Look at the shape of the trigger guard ..... MoviePropMaster2008 08:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

The hammer spurs look slightly different, but to me (and don't claim to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination) the screw placement and trigger gaurds look identical. -Anonymous

Whoa, Okay, you're officially BLIND in my book. Look at the first screw. On the real CDS it is in the center above the trigger guard, located in the CENTER below the cylinder. On Liu's gun the screw is forward, positioned right above the top of the FRONT of the trigger guard. That is the MOST OBVIOUS difference. The trigger guard on Liu's gun is a straightforward OVAL. The trigger guard on the CDS slopes downward. The cutouts on the cylinder of the CDS taper to a soft 'point' at the back of the cylinder. The cutouts on Liu's gun are rounded and not tapered in shape. The NOTCHES which advance the cylinder also have different shapes. Liu's gun has small compact notches, the CDS has longer swept notches on the cylinder. The hammer is a completely different shape (as you noticed) but not only the hammer spur is different. (look at the part above the hammer spur, there's MORE hammer there on the CDS than Liu's gun). I can continue, but I hope you see the point. MoviePropMaster2008 17:29, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

This is alot like the puzzles in those childrens' activity books where two seemingly identical pictures are placed side-by-side and kids have to spot the differences. While they are easy to see once pointed out, they are not readily apparent to those not good at puzzles. I realize now that I identified the gun wrongly, however, will you at least concede that my mistake is forgivable considering I did not have this image of a true CDS to work with at the time and am not a Garry James-esq expert. They do look somewhat alike ;) -Anonymous

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Left: picture from CHICAGO , Right: other side of 3rd Gen Colt Detective Special

Screencaps

Did someone replace the screencaps? They seem brighter than I remember screencapping. Then again most of the films I've been screencapping lately are dark-tinted neo-noirs, so I could be mistaken due to my recent experience clouding my memories. -Anonymous

I was the one who replaced some of those screencaps. I replaced them since that yours are a little darker. I used Window Media Player to screencap and I use maximum saturation and adjusted brightness and contrast in my screencaps. - Kenny99 17:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright then. I was just curious because I remember the closeup screen cap of the Colt Detective Special I took had the hammer slightly farther back so that the flat face of the hammer was visible. -Anonymous