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Talk:TDI Vector
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Moved from main page to keep links. Evil Tim 05:16, 5 May 2012 (CDT)
Some stuff
Can a Moderator please merge both this page and the Kriss Super V page as they are apparently the same weapons system?Rockwolf66 17:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- The TDI Kriss looks like my kind of rifle-S&Wshooter 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The TDI Kriss Rifle would look at home on the set of an science-fiction movie Rex095
TDI has apparently now decided it's called KRISS USA Inc. I suggest we ignore them. :P Evil Tim 02:39, 2 June 2011 (CDT)
i have looked at the system of the super v it is mechanicaly sound and recoil stablising i look for good engineers and design. i leave the naming to the pr chumps--Seekerdude 07:30, 5 May 2012 (CDT)
TV shows with Vector
The KRISS Vector showed up on The Good Guys on Fox.
Starship troopers Invasion
I just watched this new CGI movie and I saw Carmen using a Vector pistol. No mistake in the design Excalibur01 (talk) 20:37, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
Rename
Shouldn't the article be renamed into KRISS Vector? (and TDI Kard into KRISS KARD)? I think the actual company is KRISS USA, which was formerly known as TDI. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:01, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
- I've changed it for now. If someone has a compelling reason not to, please let us know. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
- There's also the TDI Kard → KRISS KARD. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:22, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
I thought we had a policy of going by the original weapon name rather than what it has changed into don't we? --commando552 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
- I'm not sure. The Magpul Masada is on the Bushmaster ACR page, but the B&T MP9 is on the Steyr TMP page. This is a bit different though, since the design wasn't sold, the company just changed names. Last week I had explain to someone why we the Springfield XD page wasn't the HS2000 page. It'd be a bit less complicated if we actually broke down the variants like on the TMP or ACR page, but that wasn't done here. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:23, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
Those are actually different variants though with identifiable differences in the furniture or accessory interfaces. TDI just changed their name with no difference in the gun itself, with the exception of (I assume) the manufacturer markings. As there is no way to tell them apart, it wouldn't be possible to split them up really. The HS2000 is also a different case, as the reason we use the XD name (even if a genuine HS2000 appeared) is that it is the established practice to go by the US version/import name. --commando552 (talk) 13:18, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
- I do think it's rather better to go with original weapon name as precedent, it's a lot less confusing and means we don't have to deal with the later possibility of people "correcting" entries that aren't actually wrong as such. As for variants, at present:
- Anything based on a prototype Vector should be TDI.
- Production Vectors could be TDI or KRISS USA, probably the former for any weapons in real armouries. I think the .22 LR variant (assuming they don't can it like they seem to have with the 9mm and .40 S&W versions) would be KRISS USA only as well, not that it's ever going to appear in anything anyway.
- Any K10 would be KRISS USA only.
- On the ACR page some guy called Scarecrow who I don't remember argued that it belongs there because it's the most commonly used version. That's actually pretty sensible since it works as a precedent for things like the Browning M2 (made by Browning and absolutely everyone else) but would still drop this at the TDI name since that's the most common correct name ID. Evil Tim (talk) 03:11, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
- The other thing with the Masada/ACR is that the Magpul never properly manufactured the Masada, it was essentially just the prototype weapon which was then licensed to Bushmaster/Remington who actually produced a finalised variant of it. --commando552 (talk) 06:19, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
So, shall we move this back? Funkychinaman should do it if it's going to be done, if we start with mods undoing each other's actions it runs the risk of mod roulette (ie, "mom said no, so go ask dad"). Evil Tim (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
- Yes, I'll do it. We're good with "TDI Vector?" --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
- And what about the Kard? --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:34, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
I am wondering if we should call it the "TDI Kriss Vector", as if you watch videos on youtube from when it was first released, the TDI reps refer to it as this. Also the markings on the side of the TDI vintage Vectors refer to it as a "Kriss Super V Vector SMG", but this is kind of a mouthful so shortening it to "TDI Kriss Vector" sounds ok to me. Even before TDI changed to Kriss USA people referred to the Vector as the Kriss, but am not sure if that was actually part of the name or people getting confused with the Kriss Super V System. Iwould probably also go with calling the Kard the "TDI Kriss Kard", as it was still TDI when it was first developed and unveiled, however it was specifically referred to as the "Kriss Kard". --commando552 (talk) 12:00, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
- Naw, they put the word "Kriss" in every single one of their product names at one point (Kriss tactical pack!) and it was pretty clear from their old website that without all the marketing silly the weapon was just "Vector SMG." "Kriss Super V" was supposed to be the name of the action, which on their current site has just been shortened to the "patented KRISS system." So the title breaks down to "TDI Kriss-action Vector SMG" and the name is just Vector. Evil Tim (talk) 12:10, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
- Yeah, here is their old site calling it the "patented KRISS Super V system" and calling it the "Vector SMG" under the "Increased Durability and Deployability" heading. I guess they changed their name to KRISS USA so that people would have to use their silly terminology in the title of the gun because it wasn't correct to do it before. Evil Tim (talk) 12:14, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
- Sooooo... TDI Vector? --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:30, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
Magazine Capacity: What is it exactly for the Vector?
Now I'm going to say this first and foremost, I do a lot of reading about guns on Wikipedia, and some people might say that Wiki. isn't reliable because anything can whatever on there, and some will say they are okay with it or they don't care. One thing is for sure, I am highly unsure of the Vector's true magazine capacity. Most people say that the correct capacity for the weapon is 30 rounds. Normally, I would simply just go with it, but to be honest, the Vector is one of my favorite and I can't stop reading about on Wikipedia. Now, Wiki. says that the Vector series of weapons (SMG, CRB, SDP, etc.) all feed from full-size .45 ACP Glock magazines (which come from the Glock 21 or Glock 30, though the G30 also feeds from G21 mags.) Glock 21 magazines come in a standard capacity of 13 rounds, with an optional 10 round magazine for those states with high-cap magazine bans, like New York. KRISS offers a "MagEx" magazine extension compatible with the aforementioned Glock mags. This extension adds an extra 25 rounds to the total capacity of the mags, with the total capacities being 35 rounds (for the Glock 10 rounder) or 38 rounds (for the Glock 13 rounder)The point I'm trying to make that if this math is technically correct, why are the "odd" capacities in, for example, the Call of Duty series considered incorrect? MW2's and BO2's 36 round capacity can be achieved by not fully loading the 38 round mag, and Ghosts' 32 rounds can be achieved by not fully loading either for the two magazines. So where did the idea of 30 rounds being the correct magazine capacity for the Vector? Is it because most other SMGs have a standard capacity of 30 rounds? I don't know.
- According to the official website, under Magazines it lists "Std. 13-round Glock 21 mag. Optional 25-round KRISS® MagEx. Fully compatible with G21 model mags." It looks like the MagEx extends the 13 rounder TO 25 rounders, it doesn't add 25 rounds. And if you stick around long enough, you'll realize that CoD is a terrible source of information for guns. (As are most video games.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:54, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
- BTW, I got the information regarding the MagEx from Brownells. In my experience, the official websites and retail websites tend to have more reliable info, since they actually have skin in the game. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2014 (EDT)