Talk:List of weapons used by U.S. Armed Forces

Thank you to whoever created this page, I've thought a lot about trying to do a page like this myself, since a lot of people on this site like to point out "That isn't what a solder/officer in such and such military of law enforcement agency would use in real life." Maybe if this page proves to be popular we could do other pages about other agencies. --AndCA 22:06, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Your very welcome :) everything on that page took about a month to make due to my schedule (and I'm only 15). I am planning on doing a page about the British and the Russian armed forces but I want to have this done first. Mr.Ice 22:17, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

I didn't know the Marines have started using the SCAR H Excalibur01 22:23, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

I may have gotten some incorrect info during my research, I'll look into it. Mr.Ice 22:31, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Thank You for doing this, the fact that you are fifteen only makes me have more respect for you.--Dillinger 23:29, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Mate, big respect for you for doing this! Well done! If you need any info on what the British Armed Forces do, please let me know, I can help with that!! Again, proper nice job mate!! Fixer

As far as I know the only use by the USMC of the SCAR platform was a variant of the 'L' model during trials for the M27. The H&K 416 was chosen. --Crazycrankle 01:26, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Doesn't the Navy also use the M16A3 variant? Insertjjs 6:37, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Yes they do, my Seabee buddy's issued weapon is an M16A3 with a 203.-Ranger01 11:56, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Are we doing out of service rifles and shotguns as well? Wicked wikipedia gives a complete list if that helps he page.-Balin21 12:30, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Of course. Mr.Ice 12:33, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

YES!!!

THIS IS AN AWESOME IDEA!!! One that I have been wanting to do for a while. Gets my 100% stamp of approval! --Zackmann08 08:33, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Glad you like it I just hope this gets done soon so I can work on my next idea. Mr.Ice 08:55, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

When this one is done, how about one for the British Armed Forces, SAS and suchlike? --Taurus96 10:25, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

I have been thinking about one for the British I may do one like that next. Mr.Ice 11:32, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

If you do, don't forget they recently adopted the LMT 7.62 as their new Sniper rifle/DMR Excalibur01 11:47, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

That they do, but I don't think we have a page for it since it's not shown up in media yet. The Wierd It 12:59, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

No, it hasn't appeared in anything to my knowledge, and we need to emphasize that this page, like all other pages on IMFDb, is for weapons used in films, TV, or video games, not an end-all list of every weapon ever used by an armed force. Spartan198 03:13, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

SDM-R picture

I'm looking for a good shot of the Army's Squad Designated Marksman Rifle, but I can't find one. Can anyone help me out? --Dirty Harold 10:27, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

I'm reasonably sure it's not that different from the M16A4, aside from subtle differences in the rails (DD M4Rail rather than KAC M5) and differences to the barrel which are hidden by the rails. The Wierd It 10:27, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Never mind, then; I'll simply remove it on the grounds that's it's not dissimilar from M16A4 model. --Dirty Harold 11:33, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

The SDM-R was a very limited trial program and it was only fielded to one unit before it was canceled and/or withdrawn from service. The SAM-R met a similar end when the Marines opted for the Mark 12 Mod 1 instead. Spartan198 16:34, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

P226R

Don't the SEALs use the 226 with a rail now? Excalibur01 11:01, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

According to SIG the SEALs currently use a P226 with a Picatinny rail that is not the standard rail found on P226s. In the past they have used folded steel slides without any rail or other outward identifying marks. When they went to the stainless steel slides an anchor was added to be able to easily tell which were the new slides and which were the older model. At some point a rail was added during the use of the stainless slides, which lead to a complaint that not all light attachments worked on it (can't complain about an out of spec rail on a gun without a rail), so the current model was outfitted with a true 1913 picatinny rail. Dover500 11:02, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

Page name

Should the "firearms" be changed to "weapons", as there are several things on here that I would not call firearms, such as the grenades, mines and launchers. --commando552 12:15, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

I say go for it if accuracy is the case Mr.Ice 12:22, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

USMC SOCOM

Should the listing of USMC SOCOM be changed to USMC MARSOC since MARSOC is the branch of the USMC that is a part of SOCOM. I think USMC SOCOM just sounds odd because it describes the USMC branch of SOCOM. This is just my opinion, what do you guys think? --SmithandWesson36 13:22, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Done.The Wierd It 13:59, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Thanks. --SmithandWesson36 14:00, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Magazine capacities

Great idea Mr.Ice. Anyway, is it OK if I add the various magazine capacities for the firearms with the caliber in parentheses beside it?

It is already there... Under "Capacity"... And sign your post. --Zackmann08 17:04, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

Colt Rail Gun

I think it's been adopted very recently to replace the Kimber ICQB, should it go on the page?--Recon42 06:35, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

it is already on there as the Colt XSE, it is the same gun as the one pictured except with a desert tan finish and grips. --commando552 06:49, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

The XSE along with the Kimber are also used by Army Special Forces and 1st SFOD-D. Puppet.of.fate 21:58, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Last time I checked the Special Forces still used M9s. The Wierd It 08:56, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

They may use it or have used it but their regular sidearm is a M1911 variant or a Glock. The M9 and M9A1 are standard issue so it isn't uncommon for Special Forces to pick it up and use it once in a while. Puppet.of.fate 14:10, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

I'm very interested to see your source on that. Last time I checked the only bit of the US Army to still use 1911s was Delta. The Wierd It 15:49, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

In a number of 'Small Arms of the World' books I own along with a book co-written by General Carl Stiner, a former Commander in Cheif of USSOCOM. I would love to see the source of your info. Puppet.of.fate 17:36, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

Let's jump straight to the photography then.

• Special Forces medic in Afghanistan, 2007. Note the Beretta holstered on his belt.
• US Army Special Forces at the Fuerzas Comando 2012 event. Note the obvious M9 being reloaded in the first photo.
• Special Forces NCO Instructor at the 2011 USASFC Soldier and NCO of the Year Competition. Note the M9 in his holster.
• Army Special Forces soldiers conduct range training, 2010. Every single one of them has an M9.
• Special Forces training at Fort Carson, Colorado. 2010. Holstered M9s.

In short, for a weapon not regularly used by US Army Special Forces, there's a lot of images of US Army Special Forces with M9s. Note though that I am only calling you out on your assertion about the 1911; there's plenty of evidence for Glocks in the last year or so. The Wierd It 02:46, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

M11 Pistol

I wasn't aware that NCIS uses the P228 anymore. I thought they used the P229 DAK. I'm posting this to let you know why I changed it on the main page. Just thought I'd let you know. (By the way, if anyone has any comments, feel free to respond to me.) --Mormonpowerranger521 15:30 (CDT)

According to (the ever-accurate, lol) Wikipedia, they no longer use the P228. However, it says that they also use the P239 DAK as well as the P229 DAK. --Dirty Harold 19:22, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Gun order

Right now the guns, particularly the out of service ones, seem to be in a pretty random order. What do people think would be the best way to categorise them by, alphabetically, chronologically, user or notoriety? --commando552 18:28, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Chronologically sounds good, probably from earliest to latest. --Dirty Harold 19:30, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

I agree, it will better in that order. --RaNgeR 20:03, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

M4A1

It needs to be notated that the M4A1 is only standard issue to special operations/ and Rangers. The M4 carbine (Semi and burst fire) is the standard rifle for front-line combat arms units in the US Army. --AdAstra2009 21:28, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Done. Spartan198 23:26, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

NCIS

So this page lists the weapons of the US Armed Forces, like the Army, Navy, Marines, etc. NCIS is a federal agency, not part of the Armed Forces. Should it be removed? --Mormonpowerranger521 19:35 (CDT)

NCIS is part of the Department of the Navy. --Dirty Harold 08:35, 26 July 2012 (CDT)