Talk:(Aliens) - M41A Pulse Rifle

New Image?

I have a friend who posts on the RoboCop Archive board who some time ago posted his completed (and pretty high-quality) Pulse Rifle model kit, and in very high-res pictures. Pending his permission, I'll upload it in addition to the present pic (I'll leave the present pic alone as it seems to be one of an actual screen-used prop.) StanTheMan 22:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

- Just uploaded the image. It is a bit big, so if a smaller version is preferred, I can re-size and re-upload it. Of course, delete it if there's a problem. Just trying to add something if I can. StanTheMan 17:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

10mm would make it an SMG

I just realize that if this weapon really was supposed to fire, in the story, 10mm rounds, then it isn't really a rifle as it is trying to be called some sort of future assault rifle. It's more like a submachine gun to me. Excalibur01 05:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

10mmx24mm is the official caliber, according to the technical manual. So, it'd be kinda similar to the VSS in caliber, right?-protoAuthor

It shoots 10mm caseless according to the books-S&Wshooter 00:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

it could be a 10mm rifle round?

- It's a short cartridge, but being without a case that isn't so surprising. IIRC, the whole cartridge in the HK G11 was pretty short, too. And of course the German 7.92 'Kurz' is damn short as well, even with a casing. It could still very well be a conical-shaped rifle projectile, but just in a short cartridge/propellant package (without a case, as the rounds are caseless). And a 'shorter' rifle bullet is one of the prominent parts of the definition of 'assault rifle', after all. Just a thought. StanTheMan 21:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

It fires a 10x24mm round, dimentionaly similar to teh 10mm Auto(10x24mm) So think of the M41A as an MP5/10 with a huge mag and pump-action grenade launcher. Mandolin 22:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

- But it's not the same round as a 10mm Auto pistol cartridge, it's something different - the rounds in the Pulse Rifle are described in the film as 10mm explosive-tipped caseless, standard light-armor piercing round. A caseless round, not brass-cased rounds (The prop's real guns fire real brass-cased bullets, but bear with me here). Anyway, not 10mm Auto. Again, I don't think the weapon (in it's own fictional context, that is) fires a pistol-type projectile like a SMG. It's more likely the rounds are simply 'short' rifle cartridges, hence, it is proper to call it a 'rifle' (Though 'assault rifle' would be more accurate). The fact the dimension is the same as a real 10mm Auto doesn't sound like anything more than coincidence. StanTheMan 23:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

-True. Despite the fact that modern propelants would have 10x24 as a pistol round(though a very powerful one), if space travel like in the movie is possible, i can assume that firearm propelants are more powerful and advanced. i still have 2 question:1. Armor-peircing ammo is gereraly small, fast rounds, to why are these rounds big and fat? I guess they are the AP variant of the regular 10x24mm round. Second, what is a "pulse rifle"? every other sci-fi weapon's name is self-explanatory. Blasters, laser guns, plasma rifles, but what's a pulse? A pulse of what? Any ideas? Mandolin 01:10, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

We don't know what the projectiles in the film look like, so again, they could still be conical rifle-shaped projectiles that are quite capable at defeating armor. The Russian VSS(VAL), mentioned by someone above, fires a fairly short 9x39mm cartridge (based on M43), yet it's still a conical-shaped round (With a hardened tungsten carbide core) that is armor-defeating. Though typically lighter and faster bullets are better for penetration, larger-diameter rounds can still do that job as well, depending on how they're designed. Plus larger projectiles give better hit power on-target than smaller ones. One of the well-noted problems with the 5.56mm NATO is that it really doesn't have a lot of force to it because it's light and small, which is probably one of the main reasons for development of the 6.8 round, and also why many armies still use 7.62mm caliber rounds (either M1943/AK or NATO cartridges). Plus the rounds are stated to also be 'explosive-tipped' so even if the rounds don't have very rifle-style projectiles, the explosive would probably be there to help defeat armor.

As for your second question, the 'Pulse' part of Pulse Rifle most likely comes from the concept that the weapon does not rely on mechanical parts to fire it's round (that is, a firing pin physically striking a percussion-type primer) but instead uses an electronic 'pulse' to fire the weapons ammunition (by charging/detonating an electronic primer). This of course, allows for a weapon with fewer moving parts, easing manufacture, service/maintenance, etc. If you've heard of 'Metal Storm' weapons, that's pretty much what it means. StanTheMan 22:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

This would also allow for variable fire rates.

Thanks, I never managed to figure that out Mandolin 13:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course, James Cameron didn't consider ANY of this when he wrote the lines in his script. He just blurted out what sounded cool. MoviePropMaster2008 19:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Judge Dredd

Was one of the gang types in the opening of Judge Dredd using a pulse rifle?

Both Aliens and Dredd were shot in the UK, where there is pretty much one supplier of firearms to the film and TV industry; they certainly had one live-firing pulse rifle at the time Dredd was produced.

-On second thoughts, no, it's a pump action shotgun. But it's what a shotgun would look like if tha manufacturers of the M-41 made one.

Oh, now I have to dig out my Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual and find who the makers are in that universe... Armat. That's the company. God I love that book-protoAuthor

Armat? Reference to armalite maybe?-Oliveira 15:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Probably just a shortening of 'armament.' Dongs 19:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Random note if anyone makes a page for it:

The videogames [and comic books] are called "Aliens versus Predator," not "Alien vs Predator;" only the first movie is called that, and the at least in the case of the second game "versus" is spelled out completely in the title. Vangelis 08:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

30mm Grenade?

Despite it being called a 30mm grenade launcher, it takes shells that are far too small to be "30mm" Excalibur01

Well, since we a know already it was a Remington 870 shotgun with a Franchi SPAS-12 cage and partial foregrip, so it was actually 18.5 mm grenades, since thats' the metric size of 12 gauge shells. Voila! MoviePropMaster2008 08:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

- Yeah, that one I ain't gonna try to explain away. Heh. :p 98.251.45.252 16:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)