Talk:List of firearms used by Russian Armed Forces

I'm aware that as of 20:28, 24 July 2012, the page isn't finished; it's terribly late, and I'm going to continue working on it. --Dirty Harold 20:29, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Hope you don't mind, I contributed a little bit, mended some years into more precise and (to my knowledge, at least) correct ones.--BeloglaviSup 02:44, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

That's perfectly fine, thank you; I was kind of hoping to get some contributions. --Dirty Harold 11:11, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

Could we change the Cyrillic names to Latin alphabet? They're not really that useful in their current form to a non-Russian speaker. Evil Tim 08:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

I only used the Cyrillic names because they would be more authentic to the Russian forces. They can be changed fairly easily, though. --Dirty Harold 11:12, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

Well, we could refer to all these weapons by their official GRAU index designations. Though personally, I like the Russian Cyrillic names.--BeloglaviSup 11:50, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

Since this is an American website with a primarily English-speaking user base, the English (or Latin, whatever) alphabet would be more preferable. Spartan198 03:37, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

Do you want the Cyrillic Anglicized or do you want straight up English translations of the Cyrillic titles? --Dirty Harold 08:39, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

It's only called the Russian Federation recently. It's changed named overall at least 3 times in the past century Excalibur01 22:29, 24 July 2012 (CDT)

Yes, I'm aware of that, and I considered it after I constructed the article. A name change would be fine... Russian Armed Forces? --Dirty Harold 11:10, 25 July, 2012 (CDT)

Makarov PM is still in service. And the next couple of decades, it will doesn't remove from service Bednardos 19:05, 25 July, 2012 (CDT)

My mistake, I fixed it already.--BeloglaviSup 11:52, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

AO-63 picture?

So we've got a picture of the AO-63 now? I thought no one knew what it looked like except for the designers and the people running the trials. Jeddostotle7 17:36, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

That isn't an AO-63, it is an AO-38. This was a prototype for the balance recoil system used in the AK-107, and is a single barrel design which is totally unrelated to the AO-63. --commando552 17:49, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

OH, that makes sense. It's just that in the smaller version of the picture, it looks like it has two barrels (I didn't view the larger version). Jeddostotle7 17:55, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

RPK

Is the original 7.26x39 RPK still in service?--Mandolin 17:53, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

I didn't include it because I wasn't sure, but I think they're at least phasing the original models out of front-line service. Someone with a little more knowledge on that particular weapon might be able to help. --Dirty Harold 19:00, 26 July 2012 (CDT)

I thinks the 7.62x39 RPK is still used in limited numbers, but i'm not 100% sure. But one thing I am sure is that the 5.45x39 RPK is still used today. I saw some recent pictures of russian soldiers using them in exercices. --VillageFroid 16:19, 24 December 2012 (CDT)

AK-105

I've read rumors of the AK-105 was selected to replace the AKS-74U, but haven't found anything conclusive to verify it. If anyone knows anything and has a trustworthy enough source to back it, please speak up. Spartan198 (talk) 12:14, 11 January 2013 (EST)

Vityaz-SN

I added the PP-19-01 Vityaz submachine gun two weeks ago. If any of its specifications are incorrect please someone correct them. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:11, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

Stechkin APS

Since the Stechkin APS page indicates "(1951–1975)" and the OTs-33 Pernach page qualifies the APS as "obsolete", then how come is the APS stated to still be in service? Anyway, I guess the Pernach and the GSh-18 should be added to the main page, shouldn't they?. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:36, 3 October 2014 (EDT)

While APS was surpassed in regular service by the AKS-74U in its originally intended role as a crewman's right hand, it remains in limited usage as a relatively popular sidearm for the special military and police forces. In fact, both APS and OC-33 complement each other in active service within these branches. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 05:36, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

HK417 & AW

Found this interesting tidbit on TFB[1]. Enough to add them to the page? Spartan198 (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2015 (EDT)

Someone in the comments on that site thought they had an "AKM-47"--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:25, 3 November 2015 (EST)

On another note, I'm pretty sure that some weapons are missing. A while ago I added the OTs-33, GSh-18 and PP-19-01 mentioned above, but also some rifles of the AK-100 series (such as the AK-103 and AK-105) should be added to the page, probably in limited service, shouldn't they? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:35, 17 September 2016 (EDT)

In fact, the preparation of this article is quite problematic, so it was a lot of weapons is use of limited (and weapons, was not on the official service, but used, for instance, the officers). We should also mention the period of the WW1, when the imperial army used any weapon at all, which can only be obtained. -Slon95 (talk) 09:12, 12 November 2016 (EST)

Btw, I've read somewhere that the FSB and the MVD use the FN P90. Is it true? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:07, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Guns used by "Alaskan Army"

When Russia controlled Alaska what guns they use? --Dannyguns (talk) 12:32, 15 December 2016 (EST)

As far, as I know, Russian Empire didn't have large armed forces in Alaska, only 812 Russians (mostly merchants and missionaries) permanently lived in all Russian America. So, It's most likely, that a very little number Russian troops (not more than a few dozens) in Alaska were armed with the same firearms, that were used by main Russian army at those times. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:02, 15 December 2016 (EST)

There wasn't anything like "Alaskan Army". Alaska was controlled by Russian-American Company that was state-sponsored but rarely got supplies from Russian Army stocks. The guns were purchased mostly privately, mostly flintlock (later percussion cap) muskets of various models and makers. Greg-Z (talk) 13:08, 15 December 2016 (EST)

Considering was controlled until America buyed it, (1950 circa) i immagine that would used also "modern" stuff.And thats why I written the ""s --Dannyguns (talk) 11:58, 17 December 2016 (EST)

Um, what? The United States bought Alaska in 1867, please educate yourself.--AgentGumby (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2016 (EST)

In school they said Alaska was Russian until 1950. Blame them.--Dannyguns (talk) 07:01, 19 December 2016 (EST)

Yeah, we bought Alaska in 1867, but it was in 1958 that it was granted statehood by Congress. Sounds like maybe your teacher just confused the two events. Spartan198 (talk) 20:25, 19 December 2016 (EST)

Yeah, probably. Consider that here in Italy (and MAYBE generally Europe) dont care much teaching other countries history in detail. But bythe way thank you. --Dannyguns (talk) 08:38, 20 December 2016 (EST)

"Law Enforcement Groups"

Can someone elaborate on what said groups listed as users of the Glock, Beretta, and CZ are, and if they're part of the military? Civilian police organizations aren't covered on this page. Spartan198 (talk) 14:03, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

FSB Entries

I'm subbing this under Spartan's section here since it's an extension I feel. I agree unless the police agencies are part of actual military branches they don't warrant a listing. To that end I have to request the recent 'FSB' additions be taken down for the same reason. By my reckoning that is a government security agency, and not part of any armed forces branch, equivalent to CIA, NSA, Homeland Security, etc for the US, and MI5/6 for Britain - We don't have listings for them on their respective pages so I don't see why this is an exception here, unless I'm missing something. StanTheMan (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2018 (EDT)

Then I will raise this question again (and do not write "Ministry of Internal Affairs, MVD" because this is a tautology). --Slon95 (talk) 10:36, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

While the KGB troops were disbanded in 1991 (and separated from the main military forces in 1989), the border troops were only reorganized into the Border Guard Service in 2005. So the border units of the FSB until 2005 were still a branch of the military. --Slon95 (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

Title

As this page contain firearms, used by Russian Empire, USSR and Russian Federation, maybe we should use "Russia" instead of "Russian Federation" in the title? Greg-Z (talk) 06:33, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Eh, I suppose it would make sense to simply name it "used by Russian Armed Forces", as with other similar pages. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:37, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Yes, it's better. Greg-Z (talk) 07:11, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Trick question - what is this gun: [2]? 1920s. --Slon95 (talk) 14:44, 8 July 2019 (EDT)

Is this some kind of a Winchester knock-off? --MaranaInfirmux (talk) 00:43, 9 July 2019 (EDT)

Winchester 1866 Musket with the handguard removed? Spartan198 (talk) 01:49, 9 July 2019 (EDT)

Not that, and not another. This is obviously some kind of extra-rare lever-action, like Deluxe Bullard Model 1886 (but not this). That's why I ask. --Slon95 (talk) 09:28, 9 July 2019 (EDT)

Edit: Apparently, one of the many derivatives of Marlin-Ballard. --Slon95 (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2019 (EDT)

About special forces of the USSR and Russia

Does it make sense to add ABSOLUTELY all the weapons that at different times used different special forces of the KGB, intelligence, special forces, etc. The fact is that these special forces used almost all weapons. I have a lot of photos of soldiers of these units holding Uzi, MG42, Carl Gustav M/45, M16 of different modifications, and more. In short, these units used virtually all weapons that participated in a particular armed conflict --Pustelga7 (talk) 16:19, 27 October 2019

Exactly. We are listed the weapons of the Navy Seals, which also used a lot of atypical things. In the end, you can as a last resort post it on the talk page. --Slon95 (talk) 10:01, 27 October 2019 (EDT)

Multiple AK-74 Rifles

Do we really need separate entries for the wood AK-74 and the polymer AK-74 rifles on this page? Seems like you could just put the date adopted for the polymer (85) with the wood ones from 74 and call it a day. --JackalUnderscore (talk) 17:15, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

Out of Service

A lot of things that are listed under Out of Service have been spotted in the hands of Russian forces in that current conflict. How should Maxim sightings and the like be handled for this page? VladVladson (talk) 07:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

For the most part, this is a single use of already decommissioned weapons, which are no longer officially in service. Pustelga7 (talk) 08:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Military Designations

Can we just go with their GRAU designations instead of full-on Cyrillic so that they can actually be read by the majority of us? Spartan198 (talk) 12:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)