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Talk:The Promise (2016)
Mausers
I do not think that they are Turkish Mauser as the bayonet lug is wrong. The first rifle has what appears to be the standard 1898 lug along with the Lange-Visier rear sight, so I would say that this one is just a Gewehr 98. The second one is weirder though, as it has a tangent rear sight. Although later 1898s had the tangent rear sight, this one also has an odd bayonet lug so I think it is something else. The lug looks a bit like the one from a Spanish M43 to me, but that is a short rifle. --commando552 (talk) 07:18, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- Argentinean M1909 has similar outlook, except for the front sight. Greg-Z (talk) 07:41, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- Possibly the same rifle appears in March of Die, also ID'd as a Turkish M1903 but fitted with an M43 bayonet lug. I'm not sure it is though, as even if the front barrel band is changed to a standard one with the M43 bayonet mount, too much barrel protrudes out of the stock for it to be built from an M1903 Mauser. --commando552 (talk) 08:39, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- I made a careful search in Robert Ball's Mauser Military Rifles of the World, 5th Edition. The only long Mauser with such auxiliary bayonet lug is Argentine 1909. BTW, according to this book, the early version of M1909 has the front sight that looks very similar to the one of the screen rifle (the sample image that we have on the M1909 page is of the late version). But hardly the Argentine Mauser could appear in Spain in any sugnificant numbers. Greg-Z (talk) 11:20, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- The problem with the Argentine M1909 though is that the bayonet lug extends forwards past the front of the original lug. On this movie gun (along with the March or Die gun) the bayonet lug appears to end at the same point as the original lug like on the M43. --commando552 (talk) 11:55, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- Got it. Well, if there is no genuine gun that matches the screen, let's go to the possible movie props. Can it be Spanish long M1893, fitted (for unclear reason) with M43 bayonet lug? Greg-Z (talk) 12:26, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- Similarly to the Turkish Mauser, I think the length of barrel ahead of the stock is too long isn't it? Also, something else I just noticed, this gun appears to have side sling swivels which I do not thing would ever be on a long rifle would they? At this point I'm inclined to label this one as an unidentified Mauser variant until we can get better images of it showing whether or not it has a semi-pistol grip, whether the bands have springs, shape of the cocking handle, stuff like that. --commando552 (talk) 13:27, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- Got it. Well, if there is no genuine gun that matches the screen, let's go to the possible movie props. Can it be Spanish long M1893, fitted (for unclear reason) with M43 bayonet lug? Greg-Z (talk) 12:26, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- The problem with the Argentine M1909 though is that the bayonet lug extends forwards past the front of the original lug. On this movie gun (along with the March or Die gun) the bayonet lug appears to end at the same point as the original lug like on the M43. --commando552 (talk) 11:55, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- I made a careful search in Robert Ball's Mauser Military Rifles of the World, 5th Edition. The only long Mauser with such auxiliary bayonet lug is Argentine 1909. BTW, according to this book, the early version of M1909 has the front sight that looks very similar to the one of the screen rifle (the sample image that we have on the M1909 page is of the late version). But hardly the Argentine Mauser could appear in Spain in any sugnificant numbers. Greg-Z (talk) 11:20, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
- Possibly the same rifle appears in March of Die, also ID'd as a Turkish M1903 but fitted with an M43 bayonet lug. I'm not sure it is though, as even if the front barrel band is changed to a standard one with the M43 bayonet mount, too much barrel protrudes out of the stock for it to be built from an M1903 Mauser. --commando552 (talk) 08:39, 3 May 2017 (EDT)