Talk:The Order: 1886

Gonna be picking this game up later this week

While most of the firearms look fictional a lot look like they might be based on some real life models, would there be much interest in me screen capping it for a page? - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 01:46, 23 February 2015 (GMT)

Post a few examples, let's see how close. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:53, 22 February 2015 (EST)

Well, I can see an M14-or BAR-looking thing, a Luger and something with a Lewis pan magazine, here. Evil Tim (talk) 05:20, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Going off what happened to the Turok and Resistance: Fall of Man pages, I don't want him to put in that much work for something that might a bit shaky elibility-wise. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:45, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Those are my thoughts exactly, frankenguns based on real weapons are still at best frankenguns, so I wasn't sure about the eligability. - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 15:35, 23 February 2015 (GMT)

Here is something about the game weapons. As the video shows, even the most fantastic weapons use elements of real firearms, like SMLE as a base for lightning gun. Greg-Z (talk) 14:17, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Is there another image? I don't see anything from an SMLE in that lightning gun. The machine gun thingy looks like it uses the pan magazine from a Lewis Gun, and that's about it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:46, 23 February 2015 (EST)

There is a video below the image. The direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG8m7q9kMhQ&feature=player_embedded Greg-Z (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Some of the weapons are real world guns with little to no external modification. Only the names are different. Like, there's fully auto Mauser C96 and a Borchardt C-93, which is depicted as a traditional semi-auto pistol. --PyramidHead (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Yes, I saw the straight up Mauser C96 as well. Alright, if you think it's worth it, go ahead. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:42, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Please crop the black space from the screencaps. And please complete the page. We have enough half-assed incomplete pages as is, we don't need new ones. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2015 (EST)

I've cropped the images, and as for completing the page, I've added screenshots of weapons I can't identify to the bottom of the discussion page, if you can identify them feel free to add them to the page, other wise stop complaining that a page that is, at most, hours old is not complete - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 04:02, 26 February 2015 (GMT)

Thank you. And I was just bothered that you slapped an incomplete from the get go rather than a WIP. I hate it when users do that. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:26, 26 February 2015 (EST)

there is something to work with here

some of the weapons are based on real world firearms however they are based on weapons made around 1900 up to 20 years before in the case of the handguns and 40 to 50 years ahead in the case of the rifles and sub machine guns --Seekerdude (talk) 10:14, 23 February 2015 (EST)

found this wiki has good images of the weapons in question

http://theorder1886.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Weapons could be of some help --Seekerdude (talk) 22:00, 25 February 2015 (EST)

Guns

The Falchion looks more like an SKS. And the proper procedure is to list the name of the actual weapon, and include the made up name in the description. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:18, 25 February 2015 (EST)

Weapons I can't identify

These are a bunch of weapons that I managed to catch screen grabs of but can't Identify so if anyone else can and could add them to the page that would be great

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'M82 Selfloader Carbine'

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'M82 Selfloader Carbine'

This appears to be a .276 Pedersen rifle, which competed with what would eventually emerge as the M1 Garand. Wow, talk about digging deep. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2015 (EST)

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'M85 Automatisch'

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'M85 Automatisch'

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'M85 Automatisch'

This appears to a Beretta Model 38. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2015 (EST)

It seems to me that it looks more like a Suomi SMG, especially the barrel. Note the perforation, it matches Suomi and differs from Beretta. Greg-Z (talk) 11:25, 26 February 2015 (EST)

I guessed Suomi or PPD-40 at first, but way the wooden stock extends forward of the magazine forced my switch to Beretta. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:28, 26 February 2015 (EST)

I think it's a hybrid. The weapon looks like a Beretta Model 38; but the barrel like a Suomi KP/-31, and the drum magazine - is very similar to Trommelmagazin 08 of Schmeisser MP-18/I. --Slon95 (talk) 16 March 2015 (EST)

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'Thermite Gun'

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'Thermite Gun'

Is it just me, or does this thing look like a Vickers K? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 17:46, 12 March 2017 (EDT)

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'Duelist Revolver'

The Duelist Revolver looks like either a S&W Model 3 or a cartridge firing LeMat. The Thermite gun kind of looks like the aircraft version of the Lewis Gun. PaperCake 19:25 25 February 2015 (EST)

- RedRobinAlpha (talk) 23:19, 25 February 2015 (GMT)

Lee-Enfield

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I think the above image was photoshopped. Aside from some of the crude textures, the receiver appears to be from a an older model Lee-Enfield. It's missing the charging bridge and the rear sight that you see in the in-game rifle (like a No. 4 or 5), and it appears to have a magazine cutoff, which isn't on the in-game image. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:45, 26 February 2015 (EST)

It's concept art, a drawing, not a render. The final product is bound to differ from the concept art in some way, that's why I labelled it as such on the page. - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 15:58, 26 February 2015 (GMT)

It's probably a "photomash" as they call them, it's pretty common for concept artists to edit photographs together and draw over them if they're on a tight deadline. It's pretty easy to see the perspective changes across the rifle, compare the barrel and front sight to the stock, and the barrel and front sight have a more cartoony look to their shading than the stock does. Evil Tim (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2017 (EDT)

Auto shotgun

So I've found that there's a Browning Auto-5 in the game. I tried adding it to the page, but for some reason, me trying to add it messes up the format. When I looked at the preview, the section about the shotgun seems to push over the header for the rifles to the right, along with the pictures of the SKS. --PyramidHead (talk) 16:42, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Browning Auto-5

The 'RA-5 Repeating Shotgun' appears to be a Browning Auto-5.

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Browning Auto 5/Remington Model 11 Riot Gun configuration.

The RA-5 as it appears in the game.

Fixed it. Set justification to none. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:45, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Added it to the page, thanks, must have somehow completely missed that weapon on my playthrough - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 00:53, 27 February 2015 (GMT)

Double revolver

I can't see the model very clearly in the screenshot, are you sure it's based on the Lemat and not one of the actual double revolvers like this thing? Evil Tim (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2015 (EST)

'Duelist Revolver' is very similar to the double-barreled Lancaster pistol, but somehow equipped a 10-round cylinder (with 5 double chambers) and transformed into a revolver. --Slon95 (talk) 18:53, 15 October 2015 (UTC+2)

'Essex M2 Falchion'

I doubt that it is SKS. You've got to look at the early prototype semi-automatic rifle: such as Mondragon, Kretz Pattern 13, Enfield Model A and so on. Most of all it reminds Snabb conversion of a 1917 Enfield; or Snabb conversion of an 1893 Mauser; or Snabb conversion of a 1903 Springfield. --Slon95 (talk) 22 March 2015 (EST)

Is it just me or does it also resemble a Remington Model 81? --Slemke1998 (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

To me, it looks more like amalgamation of a BAR and the aforementioned SKS.--SeanWolf (talk) 16:26, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Chiappa Triple Threat?

Were there any triple barreled shotguns made before the triple threat? I'm sure I've seen antique ones before and the only resemblance to the Chiappa is the fact that it has three barrels. Stock's different, trigger(s) is different, the lever to break it open is different etc. --Slemke1998 (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

When I was researching it, this was the only one I could find that had the barrels in the "triangular" setup of the one in game, the only others I could find had all 3 side by side, or in an "upside down triangle" design. So it looks to me like they took the Chiappa design and made it more era appropriate. - RedRobinAlpha (talk) 00:21, 14 April 2015 (GMT)

'M85 Automatisch'

Once again, I studied this weapon. It seems that it is actually Bergmann MP-35. --Slon95 (talk) 15 April 2015

I agree, it's a dead ringer apart from the side loading(probably not the correct term) magazine. --Slemke1998 (talk) 18:11, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

Drum magazine in 'M85 Automatisch' is most similar to such a magazine from the Mondragon rifle. And

'M85 Automatisch' also has a charging handle from MP18 (or MP28/II - on essentially the same). --Slon95 (talk) 26 April 2015