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Talk:Call of Duty: Vanguard
Miscellaneous
Knife-Crafters Throwing Knife
The Knife-Crafters throwing knife appears in the Alpha as the "Throwing Knife".
2nd Pattern Fairbairn Sykes
The 2nd Pattern Fairbairn Sykes knife appears as the "FS Fighting Knife".
Attachments
Sights
Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II
The late model (1941) Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II is called the "Spitfire Mk. 3 Reflector" and is seen being attached to an StG 44 in the Playstation Alpha trailer. In reality, the Mk II was an aircraft sight and its usage in a handheld weapon configuration is impossible due to the bulk and its need for an external power supply. The crosshairs are absent in game and only the central dot is used akin to a modern red dot sight. It is also miniaturized to the size of a modern micro red dot sight which would have been impossible with the technology of the 1940s.
Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk III
The Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk III also known as Mark III Free Mounted Gun Reflector Sight appears as the "Mk 3 Sunfilter". The "Mk 3 Mod. 2 Sunfilter" and "Mk 18 Sunfilter" are further fictionalized versions. All three versions use a stylized depiction of the real reticle. In reality, the Mk III was an aircraft sight and its usage in a handheld weapon configuration is impossible due to the bulk and its need for an external power supply. It is also miniaturized to the size of a modern holographic sight which would have been impossible with the technology of the 1940s.
Bell & Howell Reflector Gun Sight Mk VIII
The Bell & Howell Reflector Gun Sight Mk VIII, a US modification of the British early model Barr & Stroud Reflector Gun Sight Mk II, appears as the "Mustang Mk. 8 Reflector". In reality, the Mk VIII was an aircraft sight and its usage in a handheld weapon configuration is impossible due to the bulk and its need for an external power supply. The crosshairs are absent in game and only the central dot is used akin to a modern red dot sight. It is also miniaturized to the size of a modern micro red dot sight which would have been impossible with the technology of the 1940s.
Nydar Model 47
The Nydar Model 47 sight is available under its real designation. It is depicted as being slightly smaller compared to the real thing probably to make it easier to fit to the various weapon models. The Nydar was introduced in 1945 so technically it is anachronistic for all segments of the game. Moreover, it was not a military device and as such it never saw combat action. The Nydar was intended as a sight for shotgun hunters, to aid in firing on flying birds, however, it didn't become popular.
"Monocular Reflector"
The "Monocular Reflector" appears to be a hybrid of the Nydar Model 47 Sight and the OKP-7 reflex sight. Both are anachronistic, with the OKP-7 originating from the late 1990s or early 2000s and the Nydar from 1945. It has a further anachronistic Advanced Combined Sighting System (ACSS) style reticle.
"Slate Reflector"
The "Slate Reflector" bears some similarity to the "G.I. Mini Reflex" sight from Modern Warfare.
ZF4 Scope
The ZF4 scope is seen in the Alpha as the "ZF4 3.5x Rifle Scope" (in reality, it is a 4x scope not 3.5x). It is reusing the anachronistic and inaccurate PSO-like reticle from Modern Warfare's "VLK 3.0x Optic" instead of the proper "German #1" style reticle.
4-Power NTC Kogaku Scope
The 4-Power NTC Kogaku scope is seen in the Alpha as the "Type 99 Mod. 2 7x Telescopic" (in reality, it is a 4x scope not 2.7x). It can be attached to the Mosin Nagant.
Zeiss Glasvisier 16
The Zeiss Glasvisier 16 sight appears as the "Zeiss G16 2.5x".
NSP-2 Night Vision Scope
The Soviet NSP-2 Night Vision Scope is featured as the "MK. 12 Night Vision". In the beta, it was incorrectly dubbed the ZG 1229 Vampir which is an entirely different German scope. It is anachronistic since the NSP-2 was introduced in 1956 in reality.
Warner & Swasey M1908 Musket Sight
The Warner & Swasey M1908 Musket Sight is available as the "M1913 Variable 4-8x".
M47A2 Sherman sight
The M47A2 Sherman sight appears as the "M38 5.0x Telescopic". The "M38/Slate 2.5x Custom" is the same optic with the aforementioned "Slate Reflector" mounted on top akin to a modern Leupold HAMR. The M47A2 was a gunsight commonly found among American 76mm-armed tanks and tank destroyers, and was never used in a handheld weapon configuration. Both depictions of the M47A2 depict it with much higher magnification than in real life (5.0x and 2.5x, versus the 1.44x of the real optic).
Foregrips
Thompson foregrip
The Thompson foregrip is available as the "M1093 Madsen" grip, which is a very unusual name, as the Thompson grip as it appears in-game first appeared on an early "Annihilator" prototype from 1919, and the Madsen machine gun has nothing to do with the Thompson, nor does it have a foregrip.
"M1941 Handstop"
A custom handstop style foregrip is featured in the alpha. While makeshift vertical foregrips were used in WWII, the handstop design is heavily anachronistic as these were first conceived in the 2000s or 2010s.
"Mk6 Para"
A custom angled style foregrip is featured in the alpha. While makeshift vertical foregrips were used in WWII, the angled design is heavily anachronistic as these were first conceived in the 2000s or 2010s.
Stocks
H&K PSG-1/StG 44 Stock Hybrid
The "VDD 34S Weighted" stock for the StG 44 has the shape of an H&K PSG-1 but is made of wood instead of plastic and has an StG 44 stock sling attachment point. The PSG-1 design is heavily anachronistic, as the PSG-1 was produced in 1972.
Sport-Systeme Dittrich BD-44 Folding Stock
A folding stock from the BD-44, a modern replica of the StG 44 made by Sport-Systeme Dittrich, is featured as the "Krausnick S11S Folding". The folding stock StG 44 replica itself is allegedly based on an experimental variant developed for tank crews near the end of WW2.
Magazines
MG3 Box Magazine
The anachronistic MG3 Box Magazine is featured as the ??? attachment for the MG42.
Trommelmagazin 08
The Trommelmagazin 08 is available as the ??? attachment for the MP40. However, the TM08 is not compatible with the MP40 in reality.
Monarch Arms .45 ACP Extended Magazine
The .45 ACP extended magazine made by Monarch Arms & Manufacturing Sales Company in the 20s and 30s is available as the ".45 ACP 18 Round Mags". The in game depiction provides 18 rounds in total which accurately reflects the real thing's 18 or 22 round capacity.
Others
MX-993/U Flashlight
The MX-993/U flashlight appears as the "GF-59 Flashlight". The MX-993/U itself appears to be period appropriate, however, it is mounted onto the barrel via a barrel clamp. This is heavily anachronistic as the practice of mounting flashlights onto the barrel appears to have originated in the early 90s when barrel mounted SureFire flashlights were utilized by Delta operators during the Battle of Mogadishu in 1993.
3rd Pattern M1884/98 Bayonet
The German 3rd Pattern M1884/98 bayonet is used as the "Bayonet" attachment for the Volkssturmgewehr. However, this is inaccurate as the Volkssturmgewehr didn't have a bayonet lug and couldn't accept a bayonet.
Unidentified Spike Bayonet
An unknown spike bayonet is used as the "Bayonet" attachment for most weapons.
Discussion
Call of Duty Vanguard aka COD WWII 2: Pacific Boogaloo
Note, images and info are from leaks, so nothing's final..yet. Reveal trailer will be coming real soon, will move to main page when that does.
- Top image has (right to left) a Mosin with a PU scope, a Type 100, a Lee-Enfield No. 4 (and what looks like a holstered M1911, or something of the sort), and a Sten Mk. II. With a drum mag. Again. Hooray...
- Also, those promo guns look, for lack of a better word, horrible. I mean, really? A hybrid Mk. I/V Sten with a suppressor and one of those aircraft MG reflex sights? A longer-barreled MP41 with a tiny scope, a muzzle brake, and a Thompson foregrip? Plus a hilariously gaudy-looking PPSh, a screwed-up shorty Sturmgewehr with what looks like a ~20 round straight mag and a vertical foregrip, a cut-down Type 100 with a handstop(?), and what I can only assume is supposed to be a Mosin (based purely on context and the scope, since practically no feature of the actual rifle looks like a Mosin). I was hoping that they'd've learned their lessons from COD:WWII, but it seems they've instead doubled down on everything wrong with that game's aesthetics, plus everything wrong with BOCW's for good measure. Just... why?
Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2021 (EDT)
- This PPSh looks like a water toygun, LOLest. --Slon95 (talk) 12:29, 14 August 2021 (EDT)
- Thank the lord its a Cold War blueprint, not a Vanguard blueprint. It was at the end of the trailer for Vanguard. --JackalUnderscore (talk) 14:05, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
- This PPSh looks like a water toygun, LOLest. --Slon95 (talk) 12:29, 14 August 2021 (EDT)
Page Up
With the release of an official teaser trailer, I think its safe to make the page now, so I did and added the guns and grenades from the teaser. Hope nobody minds, seeing as the full reveal and first proper trailer is on the 19th. --JackalUnderscore (talk) 15:50, 16 August 2021 (EDT)
Weapon Wishlist
A small list of desired weapons besides the expected usual chestnuts, including the ones that weren’t in the previous game:
- Pistols: Browning Hi-Power, Walther PPK, Welrod, Webley revolver
- SMGs: Owen Gun, United Defense M42, Suomi KP/-31, Nambu Type I, Bergmann MP35, Beretta M1918, Spasov M1944 Trigun (3-barrelled SMG)
- Shotguns: Browning Auto-5, Winchester Model 1887
- Rifles: M1941 Johnson rifle, ZH-29, Carcano, Winchester Model 1895, MAS-44, Burton 1917 LMR, Ribeyrolles 1918 Automatic Carbine, double-barrelled hunting rifle (for fun)
- LMGs: DP-28, Type 99 Light Machine Gun, Vickers Gas Operated, MAC mle 1931 machine gun, Maxim-Tokarev
- Launchers: Sturmpistole, Type 89 grenade launcher, PIAT
- Others: OSS glove pistol, one of those Joe crossbows, throwing knives
Also, a few ideas for scorestreaks that are basically WWII counterparts of the ones in BOCW:
- Hand Cannon: Smith & Wesson Model 27. One-hit kill to infantry and high damage to other scorestreaks. Maybe make it ivory-gripped as like General Patton’s gun.
- War Machine: Kulakov Grenade Launcher. Holds only 5 grenades but otherwise still powerful.
- Death Machine: Hard to say, given the M134 Minigun was developed in the 60s. The closest I can come up with for WWII is a Slostin machine gun, but that is mounted on a carriage and not man-portable at all. The next best thing could be a twin MG81 setup since it is kind of man-portable and has an extremely high fire rate, and after that maybe the M1919 AN/M2 Stinger from CoD:WWII. Or a big water-cooled MG like the Maxim or Browning M1917.
Most of this is a pipe dream knowing Sledge and Acti but they did add some weapons like the Charlton Automatic Rifle in CoD:WWII so who knows. Feel free to add to the list if you want. --MJ79 (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
- I don't know half the things on this list. What's the Trigun and the Slostin? --JackalUnderscore (talk) 13:48, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
Links on those two guns are down below: https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/Spasov_M1944_Trigun https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/Slostin_machine_gun --MJ79 (talk) 10:44, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
Trailer Dropped
This is a pretty epic trailer, not looking bad at all. There must be at least one multiplayer WWII game on all 4 major fronts, but I haven't heard of any. Looks pretty darn good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ1CwPhE8KQ --JackalUnderscore (talk) 14:07, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
Something funny
Finishing moves use Modern Warfare's P320 as a placeholder in the current Alpha build lol. [1] --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:31, 27 August 2021 (EDT)
- There are definitely some odd placeholders in the current build - the Thompson is apparently chambered in 5.7x28mm, for one. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2021 (EDT)
The BAR apparently uses 7.62 NATO. I guess to be expected but you seem to be able to use the Arisaka Kogaku scope and side mounted on other bolt actions so you can reload with stripper clips. Really strange seeing it on a Mosin. --Kona (talk) 03:05, 28 August 2021 (EDT)
Multiplayer anachronisms
I think it is important to point out anachronisms both in single player and multiplayer otherwise people might be like "But hey look they have the StG44 in Stalingrad in CODs multiplayer so it must be correct." As for why I use "potential" and "would be" when referring to multiplayer anachronisms, that is because as you said due to the lack of equipment restrictions in MP the anachronistic use of a weapon is a potentiality depending on the players. If a player chooses to bring an StG44 to a multiplayer Stalingrad map then in that case the weapon would be anachronism, if they don't bring it then there is no anachronism, that's why I use "would be". The anachronism is player-determined. Of course we can also just say something like "It can be anachronistically used in the multiplayer maps X." --Nanomat (talk) 08:28, 8 September 2021 (EDT)
- I think it is worth mentioning in story/campaign modes but a bit pedantic to state "its use on (list of 10+ maps) is anachronistic" for every later war weapon. See the discussion we had on BFV's talk page - best to just note major anachronisms.--AgentGumby (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2021 (EDT)
Modern Warfare 2 weapons
If you wanted a headstart on 2022's title, a leaker with a track record posted about the current build
- Weapons:
- AR: Mk47, DT MDR, Beretta ARX-160, Ak (Multiple variants)
- SMG: MP5K, MP9, MP7, UMP45, Vz.61
- Marksman Rifles: Kel-Tec RFB, M110 SASS
- Shotguns: SPAS-12, Savage M24
- Pistols: AMT Hardballer, Beretta, CZ P-09
- Snipers: BFG-50, CheyTac Intervention
- Lever action: Winchester 92,
- Browning BLR, Savage M99
- Launchers: RPG-7
- Knives: Karambit, Butterfly Knife, Combat Knife
- Infinity Ward seem to be re-doubling their efforts behind the Gunsmith, featuring a myriad of different caliber: .300 AAC Blackout, .458, .45 ACP, 7.62, .350 Legend, .450 Bushmaster. As well as a great many of different grips, magazines, stocks, muzzle devices and hand-guards.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RalphsValve/status/1455631696368394242