User talk:Phoenixent

, I'm going to do the mini-series Lonesome Dove. I also plan to do Young Guns and eventually The Last Days of Frank and Jesse James. But first I have to finish the damn Boondock Saints. - Gunmaster45

Someone built a page for Appaloosa and it has a nice picture of Viggo with the 8 gauge so I think your picture would work now. - Gunmaster45

Sgt. York

I see you did Sgt. York, which I'm glad to see because that's a famous movie that the site can boast about owning. I have just a FEW more notes to add about proper page format.

• When listing a gun, you see we usually do it like this:

--M1911-- (substituting equal signs)

Sgt. Alvin York (Gary Cooper) guns down six German soldiers with his M1911 pistol.

(PICTURE OF GUN|Caption:Colt M1911 - .45 ACP.)

(Screencaps)

What I mean is link all actors and guns to their appropriate pages by putting double brackets over them (that's why we have actor and gun pages, so the movie pages link to them). With guns, some pages have multiple categories, so linking them properly is prefered. Look at the edit to see how I write this: M16A1 Rifle.

Also, instead of writing "An example of said gun used in film", it is prefered you copy and paste what the image cpation says on its page or write it yourself and keep it basic. Like a 1911 picture could say "Colt M1911 - .45 ACP." This way caliber is listed as is the gun's name. (look at some of my newest pages and see what I mean)

But you have the right to make the pages however you want, it is just prefered you try to follow the site's format closely. Thanks. - Gunmaster45

Thanks, there are still some users on here who are a little... ignorant of these guidlines. Glad to see you're willing to cooperate. - Gunmaster45

I'm a little confused what you mean. Can you rephrase that somehow? - Gunmaster45

BTW, I like your fixs to Sgt. York, but you don't need to link the title, just the info inside. And look at the Luger section, it is prefered you write a paragraph above the images instead of inside the images. The captions are usually used as guidlines so the viewer knows what's happening and when in the film. - Gunmaster45

Re: Mr. & Mrs. Smith 1911

I'm pretty sure it is not a left handed gun, the image is just flipped (look at the DVD cover in which he holds the gun in his right hand, it appears to be properly flipped).

The webiste didn't have any images I could find so I couldn't compare. - Gunmaster45

I checked out that image and I'm not too sure the lefty gun is right.

Actor Pages

I don't block actor pages and anyone who does seriously takes too much pride in their work. As if an actor page, which is the easiest to make, is going to be destroyed by someone adding info.

In most cases, we protect pages from anonymous users. We see that the most serious people make a profile if they wish to knowledgabley add to the site. One too many anonymous users gave us garbage and trolled so we got sick of it. It usually isn't a concern but when I make a 40+ page, it is a pain to remove the dumb comments and such in a maze of information. So if we block the anonymous, the serious make profiles and the trolls move on. If they make profiles to continue trolling or saying dumb things, we ban them.

If anyone of the admins. blocks a page for sysop only access that doesn't need it at all, I'll have a talk with them. Only our profiles and rules pages need that protection. - Gunmaster45

Chamelot Delvigne Model 1873

You overwrote a net based image of the 1873 gun that I uploaded. Normally this is standard practice, since the replacing shot is much higher quality than the replaced image. I was just wondering. The original shot was of a blued revolver. Your replacing shots is of a revolver that's either 'in the white' or a different finish. Wouldn't it be better to have both images to show the different finishes?MoviePropMaster2008 08:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Actor pages

I noticed you put in a lot of actors pages from classic films which is good since I don't even have those movies that you've listed, but when you're screencapping the movie pages, could you get a good facial recognition screenshot of the actor for placement on the actor's page? Some of the actors I don't know and since I don't have those films I can't put up a decent shot which shows their faces. I usually screengrab a good shot of an actor or actress that is not a gun pic since when we're all doing gun pics, we always focus on whether the gun is clear in the shot, rather than the person. Anyway, that would be really cool if you did that. Thanks again. MPM2008

Mauser

I didn't add the Mauser 98 entry. Someone else did it when I was updating the other Mauser pictures (so the history of the page looks like I did it when I was actually updating something else). As for my opinion, I'm with you. the Gewehr 98 and the Karabiner 98 should have their own pages since they are classic Mauser and way more famous than all the Mauser variants. I am going to remove the entry and put it as a footnote or a note in the summary. this page is for all of the 'forgotten' Mausers and also a guide to identifying them when we see them. Don't know if you noticed, but if you click on the image and click again, you'll see the picture at 1200 pixels wide. These are probably the biggest images of these Mauser variants on the web and can help non-Mauser experts see the details (I'm NOT a Mauser expert) but I will try to get pristine images of each variant that is listed on the page. best regards MoviePropMaster2008 07:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Machine Pistol Category?

I just saw you created a category for Machine Pistols, isn't that a bit redundant? I mean, don't machine pistols fall into the Submachine Gun category? I know it's a bit controversial in some gases (such as the Glock 18 for example), but it just seems a bit unnessicary to me. Orca1 9904 21:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

In the Line of Fire Llama

Okay, I had no clue what I was writing when I did that, I was a total amateur when I added those pics. I have plans to add screencaps to that page at some point, Rafa was a little non-thorough. In fact, I plan to have a Clint Eastwood period, where I cap every Clint movie I own (and I own a LOT of them). A picture of the Llama would be excellent. - Gunmaster45

XM16E1

I just saw the picture you uploaded of the XM16E1. Did you take that picture yourself profesionally like MPM does or did you just edit it together with MPM's pics. Either way it looks great. - Gunmaster45

I don't think he'll mind TOO much as long as editing his pictures doesn't become a new fad among users. IMO the little things make a movie and it is a shame when people fail to notice these things. I'm not very good with helicopters but that's pretty impressive that you guys got real Hueys. I own WWS on VHS, and I might just have to watch it again now. - Gunmaster45

That's a really nice picture of a LaFrance M16K. I was actually looking for one myself, but Google didn't give me what I wanted. I believe Jackie Chan also used one in Police Story 3: Supercop, so I'll add it to that page. -MT2008 04:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

BTW, speaking of We Were Soldiers, I remember Mike did an interview where he said that CW actually manufactured the AK-47s used by the NVA in the movie. Did you actually mill the receivers yourselves, or did you start with commercially available receivers (i.e. the PT Legend)? -MT2008 04:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Firefly

Thanks, I really love this show. Gone before it's time. I pretty much screencapped every episode. Just need some help IDing some guns. Excalibur01 02:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciated. If you don't mind, take a look at my other pages and see if there needs correcting. And don't be afriad to change entire section titles for the correct one Excalibur01 05:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Lois and Clar: The New Adventures of Superman

I wasn't sure if it was miss-spelled or not, I'll fix it Steve. - Gunmaster45

XM16E1 Photo

Thanks! for the note on the XM16E1. It was appreciated. Well I am back from a pretty tough assignment (14 hour days and nothing but grief) Actually I didn't know who did what on the franken guns. I was not really paying attention for months to the m16 page and only concentrated on the AP74 22 clones at the bottom. I didn't even know that some guy (Kin93) out of Hong Kong had made so many franken guns out of my pics. But after a really BAD week (which I will go into on a general note later) I scanned up on the M16 page and saw literally a bunch of Franken M16 pics. It wasn't so bad, in just it was just the topper of a really bad week (where someone in the real world took a custom shotgun I built, replaced the buttstock, and then showed it off to various art directors as a gun 'HE' built even though I did 99.99% of the work). So it was kinda just the straw that bent (not broke! :) ) the Camel's back for that time. I KNEW I had to take a break, and I sure felt better when I put a stop to the 'picture requests'. like a weight was taken off my back. (Also I was getting a little TOO wound up over the wave of new anonymous/newbie users whose gun knowledge is only airsoft/Video Games making wrong edits on all the pages. It was bound to happen and is the risk we all take on an open wiki page. Anyway THANKS for the note. If you don't mind, I will try to build up a gun (I have a chromed bolt carrier somewhere) and actually do the pic. I am now motivated to photograph real versions of the Franken guns, also so that we (IMFDB) don't get accused of 'creating virtual/fictional weapons' on the Internet.) Hope you've been doing well. best regards MPM

Colt 1903

I deleted that page once now, someone brought it back again? I'll delete it once more... - Gunmaster45

LaFrance Specialties M16K Question

Hi Steve, I'm screencapping The Dead Pool right now and one of the assassin's trying to kill Dirty Harry is wielding an AR-15 pistol which I'm pretty is a LaFrance Specialties M16K, except it has a forward assist, unlike the picture you took, which is a slab-side:

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Are there versions of the gun that have an A1-style reviever with a forward assist or can you steer me towards what it would be with an A1-reciever? Here's an image I just made:

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The assassin attempting to reload his AR-15 pistol before being killed by Callahan (Clint Eastwood).

I'll probably be done with the page later tonight. - Gunmaster45

It helps greatly, I'm working on the page now. I'll have it done relatively fast, it is the gun weakest of the DH films. Thanks much. - Gunmaster45

Thanks! - Gunmaster45

re: Barb Wire

Thanks for the additional info! You should add it to the page.

Also, do you know anything about the P228 from "Barb Wire" (and "Virtuosity"?) Was that another gun that you built at Ellis? -MT2008 21:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be gone from my talk page now, but thanks for the info on the P228s. Much appreciated. I knew I had seen that type of laser-control grip before, just couldn't remember the brand name off the top of my head. -MT2008 05:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Collateral

Hi Steve, I have a quick question for you. On the Collateral page, Matt said that the Jericho 941 in the film was the only gun we see used by the club security guard, I'm assuming because he discussed it with you? Anyway, the gun clearly has a different slide design and trigger guard, so I don't think it is a Jericho. Do you have any information on the matter? - Gunmaster45

Thanks, but no need to hurry over it. Whenever you can find the paper work is fine, I'm patient. BTW, I had so much free time I got FOUR movies ready to upload. They are:

• Hang 'Em High

• Blazing Saddles

• Pale Rider

• Any Which Way You Can (one of Eastwood's less macho films)

I took a huge amount of DVDs out of my box tonight! - Gunmaster45

Thanks, I really appreciate you finding out what guns was used. - Gunmaster45

Winchester 1892

I reverted your upload over my Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine image because the image you saved over it with is a Winchester 1894 Rifle...

Can you re-upload it again, because I figured if I uploaded it people wouldn't know it is your picture. - Gunmaster45

No need, I can get the image back for you. - Gunmaster45

RE:Category:Flare Pistol

Done. - Gunmaster45

Widescreen

If it weren't for all the modern movie pages people made with FULL screen DVDs.... sigh... that would be interesting. Also quite a few films were shown wide screen, but only released full screen (some of the lower B movies from the 1990s for example, including movies that I myself worked on). How would we reconcile the tag "released in widescreen" when we can only get FULL screen "Screenshots" for the movie page. best regards and a Happy Easter MoviePropMaster2008 02:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

AMT

Fascinating :) I don't profess to be an expert on the AMT. That pistol I photographed is my own gun from blank adapted inventory (which is usually the case with 85% of my gun pics) and I looked at the gun in my hand from several angles, and that screenshot sure looks darker than possible with just lighting. I wonder if the propmasters on set 'subdued' the finish some how with black paint. I know of some people personally who have subdued their Stainless guns because of personal preference. Anyway, I always welcome insider information like that :) the pistol I have is a BACK II, don't know what the Back up I or previous variation is like. :) If you have access to a good historical summary I would love to see it on the Backup gun page :) thanks and best regards. MPM

PS. It's funny. I have a lot of these guns but I don't catch the tell all details that enable someone to Identify it. Only when someone IDs the gun I pull it out of the vault and look at it from different angles (which is really helpful) and sure enough, it's THAT gun (something I should have known but didn't notice). Anyway, for any other page as well, feel free to pipe in when my eyes misidentify a gun! :)

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Thanks for all the help with weapons IDs! -MT2008 01:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I have a question about Man on Fire. There's something weird about the Glock 34 used by Denzel. Here's a screenshot taken from Legion's Fate's blog:

http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh284/CTone03/Guns%20in%20movies/Man%20on%20Fire/?action=view&current=Glock34IGen.jpg

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/11/movie-guns-xxviii.html

You can see that in this shot, the Glock has a Gen 2-style frame, but in the shots which appear on our page, it has a Gen 3 frame with accessory rails. And Legion's Fate himself also notes that the barrel of this Glock is not ported, which it should be. Plus, I'm not sure the Glock 34 was ever available with the Gen 2 frame (as best I know, it was introduced after the Gen 3 styling had been introduced), so was one Glock 34 a custom job that CW did for the movie, while the other was a standard factory weapon? -MT2008 01:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Dukes of Hazzard, The (TV Series)

Thanks! I noticed you made some adjustments and I certainly appreciate the help! I just finished the first two seasons tonight and I'll try and do the rest of the show during the next week or so, so feel free to make any more adjustments you see as you'd be the expert. The show certainly had a lot more guns than I remember, especially considering that the two main characters never handled them at all! Speakeasy804 01:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Old movies

For the record, I must say I am delighted that you have become the 'custodian' or 'gate keeper' of classic B&W war and noir crime/gangster films. I don't particularly watch these films myself, so I would never have contributed them, but they ARE an important part of film (and guns in movie) history, and I am happy that you are adding so much rich movie history to IMFDB. MoviePropMaster2008 20:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with MPM all the way on this, I think your collection of such classic movies is very impressive and great for imfdb! You're very good at identifying the firearms (even if the film's resolution isn't that great, which can really hinder me when I try and work with older films). I noticed you were able to help out on some of my pages like White Heat, but I know there were a few weapons in Little Caesar, The Public Enemy, and Scarface (1932) that I was having trouble with. If you'd ever be able to check those out, I'd greatly appreciate it! I have some other older B&W films I'll be putting on soon (once finals week is over) so you can always feel free to check them out and make any adjustments (I trust your word over mine, I'm certainly no expert!) Thanks for all your great contributions! Speakeasy804 04:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Great, thanks, I appreciate it! That's an interesting and clever way of ID'ing the images, I wish I could do something like that. And I look forward to seeing your job with the Thin Man series; I haven't watched those in awhile but I remember some of them seemed pretty ahead of their time. Speakeasy804 04:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

SAG

Yes, I knew about that. I track Nikki Finke and also get the L.A. Weekly, they seem to have a real pulse on the issue. What I Don't like is how they estimate all of the lost $$ because of the 'lack of signing' of the contract, but the idiots in the press only count ACTOR'S WAGES, not everyone else's! So all of the caterers, art designers, costumers, grips, carpenters, couriers, lighting designers, camera crews, and of course, the rental houses like GUNS or the all important, Armorer ;) ... our lost income isn't counted. If they did, the cost would be immeasureably higher. I love how all of the rest of us in the industry are INVISIBLE. Anyway, Rant OFF ;) MPM2008

CDS

Hi! Thanks for that new Colt Detective Special 3rd Gen picture. Perhaps I can get your opinion on something that's piqued my curiosity...

John and I did some work on a page for the movie Hard Boiled, but we weren't sure what kind of snub-nose revolvers are used by the CID undercover inspectors in the movie. We IDed them as Taurus Model 85s, but do you think they're actually CDS 3rd Gens, like the one you pictured?

Here are John's screencaps:

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If I could your opinion really quickly, that would be awesome. Thanks! -MT2008 03:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks, just wasn't 100% sure. -MT2008 20:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Lupara

Yes, that would be incorrect if they made a Lupara page. I'm on it... -MT2008 03:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:

OK, I moved it. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. That move I mentioned to you a while ago is coming up in a few days, so I've spent this last week (and the week before) trying to do everything in Austin that I never got around to doing earlier. I've had basically zero time for IMFDB. -MT2008 01:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and one other thing, do you want to help with the page info on those launchers? I don't know too much about them myself, whereas I realize you've probably worked with them quite a bit (since CW were the armorers on T3). -MT2008 01:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Taurus Model 66 in Pulp Fiction

I noticed that on the Pulp Fiction page, you said that the "hand cannon" used was a Taurus Model 66. I just wanted to confirm this since it's a big subject of debate on that page and I just added a few caps today and I want to try and clean the page up and move all the debates to the discussion page. Speakeasy804 00:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; I noticed all the Thin Man pages, they look great! Also, I was curious if the other Pulp Fiction guns were correct, I had basically the same labels as were on before but someone on the page was wondering the MAC-10 was a MAC-11 and the revolver I have labeled as a Smith & Wesson Model 36 appears to be a hammerless model. I'm looking forward to the new B&W contributions! Speakeasy804 00:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again, I greatly appreciate all the help there! Speakeasy804 04:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, don't worry about it haha; at least we know for sure now! Thanks for checking on that one! Speakeasy804 02:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Ha I can't even imagine what that'd be like, I'll bet you've worked with a pretty good amount of actors in that capacity. And good work with the B&Ws, I'm going to try and get my hands on a few but I'll probably have Thunder Road (with Robert Mitchum) up by the end of the week. I just got some DVDs with a good number of old 1940s/1950s noirs so I can make some pages for those. Also, if you have a chance, could you check the image of Tony's armory (the 2nd photo under the Thompson entry) to see if there's anything you could identify? I hate to ask but you're much better at those than I am. Thanks and keep up the good work! Speakeasy804 02:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Appaloosa

I finally got Appaloosa, I just watched it (great film) and am going to start screencapping now. I was very impressed by the 8 Gauge, excellent work. In the special features, they talk about it but never credit you as the designer :(. Anyway, I'll be sure to give you the credit you deserve when I revamp the page. - Gunmaster45

Thanks, I'll try to get the screencaps done too. BTW, was it just me, or did they keep the original gun shot sounds used during filming for the final cut? Usually you hear the standard issue gunfire sound effects but there was something different about this. The guns didn't have the echo like in Heat though. - Gunmaster45

Hey Steve, I got Appaloosa done yesterday, so if you have time do you think you could check it over and make sure I got everything right? Thanks, looking forward to the 8 Gauge photos. - Gunmaster45

The photos look great Steve, thanks for your knowledge on the matter. Guns of the Old West's got nothing on IMFDB thanks to you. - Gunmaster45

8 Guage

You built that 8 guage used in Appalossa? Very impressive.--Jcordell 22:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: We Were Soldiers

Thanks Steve! I hope you can find out about that french pistol the officer used.Oliveira 00:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:

I will talk to Bunni about it, but not sure how he's going to feel. If there's a consensus that we should not allow anonymous users to edit, then I'm all for it, but I guess it comes down to his decision, since he owns the site.

Also, should I recommend you for an Admin position? I think at this point, you more than qualify! -MT2008 19:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Talked to Bunni. He said he'll get you Admin status soon (by this weekend, for sure). -Matt

7.7mm Arisaka Type 02 Paratrooper Takedown rifle

I actually had one in original configuration when I was 18 years old. It was a gift along with a bunch of other Imperial Japanese firearms. Some FFL told me that the gun was worthless and offered to take it off my hands for $150.00. Being a stupid teenager I sold the rifle. I also sold this same 'expert' my 7.7 dedicated Arisaka sniper rifle with Nikon late war scope (with chrysanthemum). I guess that was a bitter lesson early in life... :) On Dirty Harry, it's hard to ID the weapon (now since I don't have mine any more) from the sportization. I do have some Sporterized Type 99 rifles rechambered for 30.06. I was buying them up for almost nothing, at gun shows during the 1980s when I needed background generic hunting rifles. MoviePropMaster2008 07:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wind and the Lion

I sure hope you take a gander at the Wind and the Lion page. I think there is a bunch of mistakes but I'm not sure and YOU know this era weapons really well. :) Well just hoping you can help verify/correct some of the info there. best regards MPM

Re: Scarface (1932)

Thank you very much for the help there. I made an entry for the page using the rundown you gave me (giving credit where it is due, of course) rather than making a new entry for each gun and posting the same picture several times throughout the page. I recall trying to get a good shot of Cesca's rifle but I don't believe I was able to get one. I'll try again now, as I'm determined to make the page a little more organized and complete-looking once we can get her rifle identified and Guarino's revolver. His shouldn't be too difficult, but I'm unable to clearly see the sights, cylinder release, etc. to identify it. I'll pop the DVD back in soon to see if I can get better images of either gun. - Speakeasy804 06:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Joe Kidd

The Lighning and Thunderer are my weak points. I'd assume the Cimmaron Bird's Head could go on the SAA page, but adding things like Uberti replicas is usually only necessary when we don't have anything better, and MPM uploaded genuine Colts. - Gunmaster45

Calico M100

I'm confused here. why would I remove my image of the standard configuration and replace it with a customized version? The standard configuration appears in films, so actually removing my pic and replacing it doesn't make sense to me. If you mean substituting the custom gun for movie pages where it is actually used? Well that's what we want to do anyway. But don't replace MY pic of the original configuration gun.

[Edit] You mentioned M100. Are you talking about the M100 rifle? or did you actually mean the M110 Pistol (which is NOT my pic and is a crappy google jacked image).  :)

As for the RU page, I don't see anything out of the ordinary on the page (I think that russian based page is starting to get funky when it comes to viruses, because my security software is starting to go haywire when I go there).

[Edit} Is it the M110 pistol on the Guns RU page? I have managed to clip save that image, but I wanted to make sure we were talking about the same image.

Thanks, Also which films did these custom m100s appear in? Also are they still available for photos?  :) Thanks again. MPM

Admin

Just made you an administrator on MT2008's recommendation. WikiSysop 21:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deadwood

Thank you for the compliments, and for adding the information to the page such as the Rossi Overland and the Trapdoor Springfields! It's a great show with a great selection of firearms which are, as you said, not always the typical ones seen in similar shows. I just finished the page today so if you see anything else, feel free to make corrections. Congratulations on Admin status! Speakeasy804 00:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

La France Calicos

Hey, Steve, I noticed you were talking to MPM about the La France-converted Calico pistols. I think they appeared in the TV show "Homeboys in Outer Space" - do you remember if Ellis supplied the weapons for that show?

Also, thanks for the picture. And it's good to have you on board as an admin. -MT2008 03:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Calico

thanks for the update. Now I understand. I am really looking forward to seeing if this appeared in anything. It looks pretty cool like that. I will also contact you more, but now I'm off to deal with an emergency. :) regards MPM2008

RE:

Ah, OK, thanks. I actually wasn't 100% sure, but in the screenshots from "Standoff", the receiver looked somewhat FN MAG-ish to me. But I see what you mean...I didn't think they'd turn an M60 upside-down!

Thanks for the correction on that rocket launcher, too. I wasn't sure what it was. Also, do you by chance have any idea what those Unknown SMGs are? The Smallville page has better pictures of them. I've been trying to find out what they are for a long time, and I can't tell. -MT2008 23:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, although they might be pretty hard to find. MPM2008 was unable to ID them; he thinks they might be something manufactured in Canada that was never imported to this country (Viper and Smallville were both filmed in Canada). Given their relatively crude appearance, I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually something homemade by the shows' armorer. -MT2008

Re: Layout

Hmmm, I hadn't thought about it, but it sounds like a good idea. Can you show me a link to the Motorsport Wiki so that I can check it out? -MT2008 16:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Steve,

I like it! I think it works much better than the way we do things now. Dunno how the other admins feel, but I imagine they'll agree with me that it makes the pages look way more organized. The center one (with title, actor, character, and date) is probably the best way to go. The only thing I'm not sure about is dates, only because we've heretofore neglected to put them down, but I guess we can try it. If not, might be best to just have title, actor, and character for now. -MT2008 18:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm totally for it, but I think the best thing to do would be to start a topic in the forum, with the image you uploaded on my Talk Page posted. If you want, I'll get it started. -MT2008 02:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

NP on the topic. I would like to do it, but the only thing is, it will take us a long time to get all of the thousands of gun pages on this site (many with multiple weapons, like the 1911 and M16 pages) re-formatted this way. Should be start with the most popular gun pages ([[1]]) and then work our way down the list? -MT2008 15:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, cool. I say go for it. Let's see how it works out. A lot of people here are afraid to take risks with formatting, but if it works, I think we can win them over. -MT2008 16:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Commando Tranq. Pistol

I can grab a shot of it when I have time. I figured we don't usually document tranq. guns but I see on Legions of Fate's site he has it documented. I've seen the model tranq gun IDed on other pages on IMFDB so I guess tranq. guns are okay now. - Gunmaster45

Mauser

I'm not a mauser expert but I think that the Czech BRNO VZ24 Mauser is identical enough to the K98 to have it on it's page, right? I look forward to your expertise on this. MoviePropMaster2008 20:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Honoring Actors who have passed away

Since the news of David Carradine's death :( I was cruising around IMFDB and I noticed a nice touch to Charlton Heston's page. Someone put a photo of him, not a screenshot, in which it simply stated, "Charlton Heston: 1923 - 2008" I wanted to do something similar to Brandon Lee's page (1965-1993) :( , but I also thought that it would be nice (but completely optional) to put a DOB-DOD listing on actors who have passed away. I was going to do one for PhoenixEnt's page for Morris Ankrum the actor, I was going to put (1896-1964) but I figured I would check first. Also I thought it would be nice to know which of our famous actors have passed on. Thoughts anyone? I'm not going to do any sort of mass campaign to do so, but to know that no one else has objections would be nice.  :) MPM2008

Re: Three Days of the Condor

Good idea! I'll grab one of Wicks with his suppressed 1911. The Condor page was one of my first, do you happen to know offhand if I missed any guns in it? Speakeasy804 06:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wilkinson Arms Linda Pistol

Yeah, I think it would be great if we had some good pics. A Google image search turns up relatively poor-quality pictures of both the carbine and pistol, so we would have bragging rights for only good pics of those guns on the 'Net. Haha...anyway, I guess it would best to group them together, since that's what we usually do with weapons that are the same basic design (i.e. SP89 and HK94 both go on MP5 page).

And wow...you really seem to know a lot of the manufacturers personally. I'm always amazed at how well-connected you are. -MT2008 03:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, wow, you really built those? My contact at ISS sent me the pictures of the guns and mentioned to me that they were under-used. He also told me that Sgt. Tom Minder was the guy who pulled the trigger during filming. He seemed to know you pretty well; he says you do work for all of the armories, not just CW. -MT2008 20:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hooking up for pics

I don't know if you check your private messages anymore, but I was still wondering about hooking up for pics. It would be awesome to get some of your beautiful custom stuff! :D I sure wish you could hook me up with Galotti to get pics of his stuff! ;) hahaha. I still haven't wandered back to CW because of work and family issues. I'm lining up a shoot that I'm sure GM45 will love.... one of the biggest private collections of original Western guns (i.e. not replicas but original 1st gen western revolvers and long guns in pristine condition, not the beaters we have in rental inventory hahahaha ;) ) west of the Mississippi. They are being yanked out from behind museum glass cases for the shoot for IMFDB. That's pretty exciting. I am trying just for classic examples of original historical guns. Anyway, feel free to PM me when you get a chance to try to re-schedule something. Thanks MPM2008

The M1903A1s

That was a really good gun you build there. Congraturations but what is "Rock"?-Oliveira 22:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Memorial Photos

Thanks for the compliment regarding the Lee Marvin photo. I'm trying to go with great photos of the actors. I imagine many of them are old portfolio shots.They deserve that. The only exception is the Charles Bronson photo. I liked the tough guy shot with him smoking a cigarette. Very seventies and very tough looking. Well and the photo of Charlton Heston at Stembridge Gun Rental picking out his guns for Will Penny. The photo just fit Mr. Heston as well. Anyway thanks again. --Jcordell 00:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, I need your help

I've been watching some movies which allegedly feature the FN Minimi/M249 Paratrooper, and realized the guns in question may be a different LMG. If you want examples of what I mean, check these out.

Here's an M249 Para model taken by MPM:

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...and here are some movies/TV shows which allegedly feature this gun:

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3000 Miles to Graceland

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American Dragons

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Stargate: SG1

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Stargate: Atlantis

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Walking Tall

In all of these movies, the guns look almost like Minimi variants, but something's not right about the receivers and front sights on them. Which leads me to suspect they may not be M249s or Minimi variants at all, but rather something else. What do you think? -MT2008 01:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha! I should have known. Also, it seems Ron Blecker or members of his team were the armorers and military advisers on all of these shows, so that's the common denominator. Well, when I get back, I think I had better make a page for the Daewoo K3, using the new format.

Speaking of which, I think the "Note" column is a good idea, though maybe we should make it a little wider? -MT2008 02:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, so far, I have found almost a dozen movie/TV pages where we mis-IDed Daewoo K3s as Minimis. -Matt

Weapon pages

Steve, the new layout for the weapon pages looks great! I'm glad you suggested that and if you need any help converting the pages, let me know. I think it's a great idea and it'll help imfdb look more and more professional and comprehensive! Speakeasy804 02:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

One other question...should we continue to italicize the titles of the movies/TV shows/games, exactly as we did in the old format? Also, I'm working on the Daewoo K3 page now. If you can help me out with info, it would be appreciated. For instance, do you remember who was the U.S./Canadian importer for the K3? Was it the same company that imported the K1 and K2 in both civvie and LEO versions? -MT2008 03:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I guess I'm just pretty surprised because I figured the M249 would be the cheaper gun to acquire, seeing as it's manufactured on these shores. Why were the K3s cheaper? Were the M249s just not being offered for anyone besides the military at the time? I would love to write a better summary on the Daewoo K3 page explaining why they're used as M249 stand-ins, but since I'm not an armorer, I'm scared I might get details wrong.

If you don't mind taking a picture of one of the vismodded K3s, that would really be awesome. I'm going to have to look more closely, but I have a feeling we may have mis-IDed the K3s on several more pages (Swordfish, for instance). Also, while I'm at it, thanks for the new 1911 pictures you uploaded recently. -MT2008 03:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Rock Island 1911

I think I have one, I will try to get a shot of it, but I am getting a little busier with work. Doesn't the one in the movie have the Colt medallion on the grips though? On one of the screenshots seems to have that on the grip. Is that a different pistol? MPM

Template

Hey Phoenixent, I want to say great work on the template you created, it makes pages look better and neater. I complimented MPM2008 on it, but he said you orginally created it, so I came here. Also, awesome work on all the pages you created so far, it's great to have another armorer on the site.--Alienqueen11 22:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

RE:

Thanks! If you find one of the vis-modded K3s that looks like an M249 Paratrooper, that would be great. We'd be the only site on the 'Net with such a picture. -MT2008 00:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Templates

I think the templates are looking pretty good, although they stretch all the way across the screen when not next to an image, which may cause problems for people with small screens (they would have to scroll sideways, which can be a pain). I don't know if this can be fixed but if it can I'm throwing it out there. Just wondering, is there anyway to put lines in between each entry, so the films are seperated by columns? I figure if the entries are in a more chart like organization it will be easier to see what lines up with what. If not it's no big deal but I was just wondering. - Gunmaster45

I think the templates are coming out great as well, I like the way it is on the Steyr AUG, were the years are listed earliest at the top and most recent at the bottom. I also want to know if lines can be put between entries to seperate them more.--Alienqueen11 04:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Template

Thanks for the note. To the mods: Though my own preference is strongly towards chronological order, I can accede to the wishes of the majority. I do like the format of Title First, before actor. Please note all, in the Steyr AUG page that the title, then character, then actor template, dovetails nicely into the other genres (television) but also Anime and Video games. Since there is no Character in some and no Actor in Anime or Videgame, I think this order maintains the same look from Film all the way down to VG. Thanks and please look at the page to see what I was referring to. Thanks again. MoviePropMaster2008 04:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

More on Templates

Hi, Steve,

I think the way you did the [1911]] page (and thanks for taking time and doing that, BTW) is pretty much perfect and should be the standard. There are only two suggestions I'd make:

(1.) I think we should probably put the Title before actor, as MPM suggested, just because that seems to make a bit more sense. When we were doing the standard bullet point list, it made more sense to say "<actor> as <character> in <title>", but as a straightforward table, I think it would make more sense to go with title first. I imagine that's what most people's eyes are drawn to, anyway, but maybe that's just me.

(2.) Chronological order should probably be the most recent films first, and then work our way backwards. That way, any time a new film comes out with a particular gun, it'll be near the top of the list, since it seems like many visitors come to our site to look for guns in current movies (as evidenced by the disproportionately high number of views on our pages for last summer's blockbusters like The Dark Knight and Wanted, both of which got tens of thousands of hits when those films were in theaters).

I have one other question: Have we figured out how we're going to handle situations where multiple actors handled the same gun (or same type of gun) in a particular movie or TV show? Do we list each actor on a separate line? That's the one and only issue with the tables that I think we need to figure out. I'm not really sure what to do about this myself. -MT2008 04:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

After looking at the test templates, I really like the one with each bit of information in its own box. It makes it easier to read across without mixing things up. Thanks for figuring that out, I'm starting to like this template stuff now. You may have noticed I've been applying it to the actor pages I've made recently, although I might go back and try it with columns now. BTW, when everyone agrees on the final product of this template stuff, please make sure the Test Template Page is cleaned up and user friendly so I know exactly which template to use for Actor and Gun pages. It is kind of trial and error currently because the page is also a discussion page so its hard to find what I need. Sorry if I'm adding more work to do but you seem to know how this stuff works better than I do (I'm still trying to memorize all of the simple code stuff so I don't need to constantly copy and paste). - Gunmaster45

Hey Steve, check out the Daniel Roebuck page to see the box-style format in use. I like it! - Gunmaster45

It's not bad but I still kind of like the boxes personally because everything is both vertically and horizontally seperated, where as the newest one only horizontally seperates the entries. But of course we'll have to hear what everyone else thinks before a final decision is made. My vote goes for the boxes :) - Gunmaster45

Sorry for the late response Steve, I just got back from a four-day trip to LA. I really like the new template and my vote is for chronological order as well. I don't have much much input but I just wanted to say I like the organization the template adds! Speakeasy804 04:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Just a note

The way I was doing it was placing the TOC call straight after the poster image; that avoids shunting the introductory text down below the table, and means you get a good intro where the Following guns are used: heading is right above the table of contents that lists them all. Dongs 02:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

What I did for Crysis, Far Cry and King Kong (2005) was to put the title image below the text. I've edited the link you gave me, take a look now: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=A_Slight_Case_of_Murder&oldid=136910

Now, this isn't perfect for that article because it has a long lead-in with a small pic, and it might be ok to just put the TOC after the text with the picture at the start; I don't think there'll be issues with the picture being larger than the intro as with some articles. It's mainly for ones like Kong where the poster was shoving the table off the bottom of the page when it first loaded up. Dongs 02:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The Wilkinson Arms carbines/pistols

Nice! Those really are the best pictures of the guns anyone's put on the 'Net, anywhere. Off the top of your head, do you recall any other movies/TV shows they've appeared in? It seems to be a pretty rare weapon. -MT2008 03:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

And Then There Were None

Hey, I just got two caps from an old 1945 B&W called And Then There Were None. Before I build the page, I wanted to check with you because I think the revolver used was a Webley British Bulldog. There's only one shot of it that's clear so I'll send it to you here.

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500px.

Thanks! - Speakeasy804 21:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The Killing

Great job on The Killing page, glad there's finally a page for such a great classic movie.