Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War

Miscellaneous

US Air Force Pilot Survival Knife

A US Air Force Pilot Survival Knife issued to US Air Force jet pilots flying over Vietnam is carried by Woods in promotional media. The same knife but with a different style of scabbard is also carried by a yet unknown character in the reveal trailer.

Unidentified Knife

An unknown knife in a leather scabbard is carried by a character in the multiplayer teaser.

Attachments

C79 Optical Sight

The C79 Optical Sight is featured as an attachment. It is slightly anachronistic as it was introduced towards the end of the Cold War, in 1989.

Elbit Falcon

The The Israeli Elbit Falcon sight is featured as an attachment. Unlike in the first Black Ops, however, this time its appearance might not be anachronistic since this game has 1980s segments.

Steiner Optics CQT

The Steiner Optics CQT is featured as an attachment in multiplayer. It's appearance in a presumably Cold War setting is anachronistic as it was unveiled at Shot Show 2019.

Live Action Trailers

"Teaser" Trailer

Thompson SMG

Carried by a US soldier deploying from a chopper in Vietnam.

Unidentified US Rifle

An unknown rifle carried by US troops during anti Vietnam War protests. Possibly Springfield M1903?

Unidentified Russian Rifle

Unknown rifles are being paraded by Soviet troops. Possibly Mosin Nagants or some of the Soviet semi auto rifles?

M1 flamethrower

Used by a US soldier probably in Vietnam.

Discussion

Weapons I Saw

I saw the AK47, or I not so sure if it's an AKM or Type 56. Then I saw an RPD LMG, a FN FNC battle rifle, XM177E2 with a flattop, although to be fair, flattop was around in the 80's. Then I saw a Colt 1911A1, a Remington 700 sniper rifle, and a AKS-74U Carbine. I'm not sure if the M16 appears to be a M16A1 or XM16E1. This "Commando" however does have a forward assist, but it has a A1 pistol grip, making this gun not the Colt 733.--Treliazz (talk) 15:13, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

The AK looks like an AKM, I think. The XM177 appears to be based on the Commando from the first Black Ops, but we'll see. Also, nice work getting on this page so quick! I was ready to start it later tonight, you beat me to it. --PyramidHead (talk) 15:29, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

For clarification, I'm the one who started the page, not the guy above :P Anyway, the AK is actually an AK-47 (but with an AKM's slant compensator); note the gas block and the front sight, and the milled receiver is also seen in the trailer, though the specific shot is flipped. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:41, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

As for the "SOCIMI Type 821", that looks like MW's Uzi without the stock. I think a lot of the guns are supposed to be shared between these two games, judging by the Warzone integration and other cross-era guns like the AK-47, M1911, SKS ect.--AgentGumby (talk) 16:11, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

Naw, the rear sight's position and the folding stock mechanism below it indicate that it's a SOCIMI. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:33, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

I see now, though it still looks a bit Uzi-like. Maybe it is new attachments/furniture; I guess time will tell. --AgentGumby (talk) 17:32, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

I'm replacing the screencaps by 4K ones; the relevant image now shows more details about the SOCIMI. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

A couple leaked images I found from the game's Reddit page (may not reflect content in final version or even open beta/pre-alpha/etc.):

Multiplayer screen showing a customized LMG: https://preview.redd.it/yap84l0silj51.jpg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08e974eb33d15ceec5988ed578cd913930ee053f

Campaign screen showing an M16 (called M16A1): https://preview.redd.it/a8gvpo0silj51.jpg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09a14d017bef3e5e54ba18c69e13a90ec22e076e

In addition, from what I've heard from a few content creators on YouTube who managed to see some campaign gameplay footage, other appearing weapons include an MP5, G3 (known as Krieg-6), Type 63 assault rifle, SPAS-12, the China Lake grenade launcher, and a recurve bow or crossbow. As said earlier, these may not necessarily be in the final game, so take them with a grain of salt. --MJ79 (talk) 09:08, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

A type Type 63 would be an interesting addition. Was it mentioned specifically as a Type 63 or could it be someone confusing it with an SKS with a 30 round detachable magazine? --PyramidHead (talk) 09:22, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

I can't exactly tell; it said "Type 63" in a list of leaked stuff somewhere, but there's nothing visual to confirm this yet. It's all speculation. --MJ79 (talk) 09:34, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

Finally

Well, took them long enough. After all the super secret projector puzzles and Warzone scavenger hunts. Look pretty cool, though. I love the 1980s Cold War, it was a pretty aesthetic time for weapons and military hardware.

So, what's on everyone's wishlists? Because I'm weird, I went and made my dream weapons list shortly after speculation about this game's existence started. I'm just hoping for period-appropriate weapons that actually make sense for the setting; I thought Modern Warfare was pretty good with that. Like, can we finally have a standard AK-74? Please? --PyramidHead (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

Wouldn't mind seeing the Czech Vz. 58, that rifle is really underrepresented in games and would fit in well in this setting. I did notice the shorty AK that is shown being suppressed in the trailer has a correct AKS-74U rear sight, which hopefully is retroactively made a usable variant in MW.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:47, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

Looks like a properly sized AKS-74u barrel instead of the weirdo short barrel from MW2019 too, which is nice. I'm disappointed they went and made a faux Huey though, and the Tomcat also has some issues like vertical stabilizers having too much cant and intake scoops not being slanted forward enough. Also, the infamous backwards Troy BUIS from BLOPS1 makes a return, albeit actually facing the correct direction.--Aidoru (talk) 01:24, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

I would expect such guns as vz. 61 and vz. 23, and perhaps Stechkin APB. And may be could see the MTs 21-12 autoloader as an Easter egg. But wait, we have the "first results in google pictures" guys, so what am I talking about. --Slon95 (talk) 19:45, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

That's too realistic and accurate selection. If it is a true Black Ops game, then it should contain exotic, anachronistic and unheard of weapons. --Nanomat (talk) 18:56, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

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January 1984 - XM4 Carbine

My wish list to have the XM4 Carbine (Colt 720), but it should be more like a gunsmith attachment for the XM177E1. The gun was first made in 1983 by the US Army as a customize XM177E2 with a A1 flash hider and fires M16A2 rounds. Later in January 1984, the 14.5 inch barrel and a A2 pistol grip was add it to the gun referring to as the XM4 Carbine.--Treliazz (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

Inb4 they bring back hyper-anachronistic guns like the L96A1 and the infamous FELIN version of the FAMAS again just to troll us. Anyways, I hope they brought back the "Death Machine" handheld minigun, "Grim Reaper" M202 rocket launcher and the underbarrel "Masterkey" shotgun and flamethrower attachments from the original Blops. --MJ79 (talk) 09:08, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

Hope, they learned the lesson and did the research this time. Maybe this was the original Black Ops plot before was scapped? (Which explained guns anhachronism). Hope that will be possible to fight both NVAs, the Vietnam one and the German one. The perfect weapons for them would be FB PM63 and SKS. For the Ossies, hope for a MPi-K74 configuration (which already used by Farah in MW2019). The hype and expectation after huge after MW...--Dannyguns (talk) 03:26, 8 September 2020 (EDT)

Steiner CQT

I don't think the reflex sight on the Stoner is a Steiner CQT, the housing for the lens goes all the forward, there's an elevation knob on the left side and a windage knob at the rear.--Aidoru (talk) 02:04, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

This is the closest match I found. Also I believe they are going the same "modern warfare stylization" route and therefore changing some of the details. Another thing that makes me pretty convinced that they used the Steiner CQT as reference is the fact that I simply googled "Cold War holographic sight" and it popped up. --Nanomat (talk) 10:35, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

XM177 promotional image

Just linking this high quality image, for reference's sake: [1]. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:24, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

Rick Zeng told me the real reason why they add a flat top and a combination of an XM177 hider and an A1 flash hider is because of legal reasons. You also have to keep in mind that flattop was actually done in the 80s by Olympic Arms, even though back in E3 for Black Ops I, the Commando appears to have a MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail, that was introduced in 1993 when Colt developed the M4A1.--Treliazz (talk) 14:05, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

I think they should definitely drop this whole "change it so they don't sue us" attitude considering they won the humvee lawsuit. As for the chopping of the carry handle, unlike in BO1, this time it is not so anachronistic, however, considering that the campaign is set in 1981 and the practice of using chopped ARs by the actual military, as far as I have read, became a thing in the early 2000s most likely during the invasion of Iraq, then it might be considered anachronistic. As for the rail, it appears that both in the OG BO1 and this new one, it is based on something like the rail seen on the Predator 2 Deagle, which I cannot find any info about after many hours of research, I'd wager it is some kind of 80s proto picatinny/weaver rail? --Nanomat (talk) 14:20, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

Isn't this rifle closer to a 933 [2] than an XM177? Temp89 (talk)

No, it isn't. The in-game gun has a shorter 10" barrel, an earlier A1 forward assist, and no case deflector. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:22, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

Is it so hard for them to make period accurate weapons? They are so fixated in giving the players the capability to add optics that it doesn't even make sense. Excalibur01 (talk) 01:18, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

Even then, it's not like you can't mount optics to a carry-handled AR or anything; hell, I'd wager that it even looks cooler that way. I'm just holding out hope that the XM16E1 can mount optics without hacksawing the carry handle, but that hope isn't high. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 08:16, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

The carrying handles were designed to mount optics. Special Forces were the first to do it. Excalibur01 (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

To be fair, optics attached directly onto the carry handle kinda take a lot of space on the screen and thus it is not quite practical from gameplay perspective. Also, it is clear that after MW2 they adopted kind of a "let's insert modernism and tacticoolism into everything" attitude which is clearly evident in all the anachronistic and tacticool stuff added to BO1 and now this one. --Nanomat (talk) 09:58, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Eh, I don't think they take up enough space to really cause problems (not to mention that that'd be a neat balancing feature). But more to the point, it's not like they haven't had optics on carrying handles before (e.g. the FAMAS, the QBZ and USAS in MW3, etc.). I just hope that they've learned from their mistakes. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

The basic FAMAS in MW2019 is held lower when scopes are equipped. This thing's upper would also be neat to see as well, rather than a modern-looking flat top.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:04, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

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Colt Model 656 M16A1 Special Low Profile fitted with scope and 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm NATO

Military ARs or civilian?

Does the semi-auto only selector markings on the "XM177E1" mean that it was actually modeled after some civilian version? Also I think the faux XM16E1 might be based on the same M16A1 "Retro Reissue" from BO3/4. --Nanomat (talk) 09:52, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

We'll see about that. Maybe they will make some changes in final game, you never know. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:13, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

More Weapons!

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--Treliazz (talk) 13:51, 1 September 2020 (EDT) I see the M16A2, finally!!! The AK47, a shotgun which I believe is either the Stevens Model 77E or the Winchester Model 1200 (I hope).--Treliazz (talk) 14:05, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

I'm blind, I look closely and it looks like a bolt-action rifle. Possibly the Remington 700.--Treliazz (talk) 14:26, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

There's also a Beretta 93R on the gun wall. Also nice to see that the M16A2 gets a nice carry handle optic mount instead of lazily slapping a flat top upper on it like the Commando--Aidoru (talk) 14:41, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

CAR-15 Variants

Now the only reason why I'm doing this is because I have have a feeling that they are going to add some stuffs for the Commando, and possibly the M16A2 soon as gunsmith attachments, so I want to make sure you guys got the whole CAR-15 variants right.

M16A1 Carbine - They are 4 types of M16A1. The first two models are the Colt 651 and 652. These guns have an M16 fix stock rather then a XM177 stock, and it has a 16.5 inch barrel. It was mad in 1971, and later around the early 70s, Colt made the 653 and 654, which have a XM177 stock. Now remember, these guns could have a 14.5 inch barrel, and they have an A1 pistol grip.

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Colt 653

XM4 Carbine - Now, if you know me, you know that I love the M4 sense I first know about guns, but I'm not going to be like back then and name every single AR-15 carbine the M4. The XM4 was first made in 1983 from the US Army as a XM177E2 with an A1 flash hider and it fires M16A2 rounds. In January 1984, the gun have a 14.5 inch barrel and a A2 pistol grip. Later in 1985, the USMC tested the XM4, and in 1986, they add the M16A2 receiver to keep it as a modern designed, consider that they are a huge fan of the M16A2 rifle. In May 1986, Colt made a new M4 barrel and a new M4 handguard, and test results were not really good at the time. Colt ignore the XM4 until 1990, when Bushmaster joined the XM4 Program. In 1991, the gun was renamed the M4 Carbine, and in 1993, the gun have a flattop and it fires full-auto making it the M4A1. So basically the M4 is a modern version of the XM177E2. There are a lot of mythical stories about the XM4.

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January 1984 - XM4 Carbine

M16A2 Carbine - Also known as the Colt 723, this weapon was made around 1985, but it didn't appear in service until 1987. Here's some myths that people are saying. The Colt 723 came from the XM177E2, which is not true. It actually came from the M16A1 Carbine. This weapon was very popular of the Delta forces, and it was used in the Invasion of Panama. A short version called the Colt 733 also consider to be a M16A2 carbine.

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Colt 723

M16A2 Government Carbine - Also known as the Colt 727. Okay, first of, the Colt 727 is not the father of the M4 or M4A1. The XM4 is even older than the Colt 727, because this gun was made in 1988, 4 years after the XM4 was made. I don't get why people are saying the Colt 727 is the father of the XM4! It's not! it's a improve variant of the Colt 723. Now then, mini rant out of the way, it does looks similar to the XM4, but here's the different. It fires full-automatic. The XM4 fires three-round burst. This could be not historically accurate, consider that the game take place in the early 80s.

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Colt 727

So there you go, the CAR-15 variants. Now you know about these weapons, and now you know how can we describe these guns. Like I said, I'm only doing this because of gunsmith attachments refence, so I hope you guys get all of these and understand what we going to see for this year's Call of Duty.--Treliazz (talk) 13:58, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

Leaked Multiplayer Alpha Footage

From the official Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/blackopscoldwar/comments/imaxuo/full_6_minute_gameplay_of_cold_war/

From the given footage shown there’s the AKS-74U (as “AK-74U”), the M16A2 (as “M16”), the MP5A2 (as “MP5”), the CAR-15 (as the “XM4” with flat-top receiver wrapped in slings like the Commando from BO1), the Stoner 63 and the SPAS-12 (as “Gallo 12”). In-game names aren’t necessarily final and may change in the final game like in COD:WWII and MW (2019). --MJ79 (talk) 01:28, 5 September 2020 (EDT)

I'm actually pretty excited, proper AKS-74u barrel/handguard/sight, jungle mags, the gun audio seems nice and punchy, and the animations don't seem too bad either. Foregrip on that CAR-15 looks like a BCM Gunfighter vertical grip though, which is about 30 years too early, lol.--Aidoru (talk) 04:22, 5 September 2020 (EDT)

It looks alright for an early leak, though I have little doubt that it'll be getting more polish before it gets released. Also, for those who actually have social media, would you mind spamming IW to please put an "S" in "AKS-74U"? I know it's a minor thing and all, but still... gives me conniptions. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 11:41, 5 September 2020 (EDT)