Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

Looks like MagPul MS4 slings on those MCXs, so far the general design, animations, weapons/gear look great, i can only hope that the gameplay doesn't feel too arcadey and a bit more realistic (mix of both) then i would buy another CoD since the MW trilogy and WAW days.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 08:26, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

B&T APC556

Hi guys,

I think I got most weapons but this one here is rather difficult. If you look at its side while the soldier is moving the receiver looks very flat and the only weapons coming to my mind being so flat is the B&T APC556.

What did you think? --Grasyl (talk) 09:02, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

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APC556 held by an SAS Recon.

Honestly, for firearms seen from such a distance/in small detail like this (it applies to a couple of weapons on the main page as well), it's better to wait for more content to come in future trailers instead of going ahead and speculating about literally every bit of weapon currently seen. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

One more rifle from promo-material

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529979003826601986/583658085827084310/3.jpg Any thoughts? --Iskorka416 (talk) 09:33, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

It's an HK433, just with an AAC Honey Badger-like stock. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

Okay. This picture is from press-kit, provided for game journalists, but to avoid any troubles, the writer wouldn't share with all of pics. At least for now.--Iskorka416 (talk) 10:10, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

One more image , better view on a M4

That Aimpoint is mounted way too low. Spartan198 (talk) 21:13, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

Really not sure that’s an HK433. It looks integrally suppressed and the stock doesn’t match. Is it not some sort of SIG MCX variant? I thought it was a suppressed Rattler at first, but the magwell looks different --Forrest1985 (talk) 08:38, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Nah, looks nothing like an MCX. It is indeed an HK433, just a customized one. I get the feeling that we'll get "stock" customization option again, which could explain how they added that sliding stock on it (as well the MPi-KMS-72 style stock on the AK)... we'll see if it's the case when we got more details. Plus, note the shape of the receiver (especially behind and in front of the ejection port), the paddle magazine release and the reversible charging handle's location (above the handguard), all of which match the HK433 and not any variant of the MCX. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:35, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Also the cuts on the frontal side of the well mag are typical HK433. However, I think that the real HK433 can't be integrally suppressed nor accept telescoping stocks. Funny thing is that apparently even the devs know this so they attached the PDW stock to nothing or is it just me seeing things? --Nanomat (talk) 10:55, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

My bad on the MCX front, but in my defence I said some “sort of MCX”. Still, i’m not entirely convinced its a ‘433 either. The stock is probably custom, as per the above comment, but front end doesn’t quite match (unless it angle of the shot), there’s no integral suppressed ‘433. The ejection port and lower receiver is a clear match though (on my second look). I dunno, guess we will have to wait and see. I quite like the ‘433 design so would be nice to see it. Personally hope they bring back the skins from MW:R or better yet, customisation similar to Wildlands --Forrest1985 (talk) 12:27, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Unknown bolt-action

I don't know what this could be.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

I've read somewhere that it might be the FN Ballista ala BO2 style, but I'm conflicted. Some details match but others like the stock are different. --Nanomat (talk) 16:45, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

From the size, the proportions, and the flat, sloped upper receiver, I'm tempted to say that it's a PGM Hecate II, though it doesn't seem to be a precise match. It seems like some of these guns might have customizable parts, though maybe I just have a hard time believing that the coat-hanger stock is gonna be standard and/or an attachment for the AK. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:54, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

Looking at the receiver shape my thought was definitely something by PGM --Forrest1985 (talk) 08:40, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Looks like Russian DVL-10 for me, but magwell is different and magazine looks too wide for .308 --Iskorka416 (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2019 (EDT)

I think its a Victrix Armament rifle, doesnt look 100%, but the closest I found -- Hijeffrey95 (talk) 12:19, 27 June 2019

2v2 Gameplay footage

Here. --Tamarin88 (talk) 17:11, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

Some stuff worth noting - the P320 is called the "M19", after its designation; the standard mag holds 10 rounds, and the 21-round extendo holds 15. The FAMAS fires in 3-round bursts, has aftermarket irons on top of its standard ones, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding as to how decimal points work (.556 inches would make it an anti-materiel rifle, whereas .556 millimeters would be a literal gun for ants). The bolt-action sniper rifle is an Accuracy International AX50, the 870 is an MCS that they're calling the "Model 680" for some reason, and the MG4 is called an "M91" (probably implying a US military designation), with 75 round being the "Extended Mags" capacity, so the standard is probably 50. Shotguns are also either secondaries or primaries now, and among them is the "725" over/under; the name implies a Browning Citori, though the series is no stranger to misnaming O/Us. There are 2 different kinds of stun grenade (an M84 and a M7290), though we didn't actually get to see what the normal frag grenades are. Oh, and the RPG-7 has a new reload animation for the first time in ever, though I'm pretty sure that the rocket still doesn't have a booster charge. It also has a melee attack where you jab them with the rocket, even though an RPG-7 warhead's only safety system is a screw-in nose cap, so doing that would blow you straight to kingdom come. Anything else? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:05, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

The MG appears to be MG5 not MG4. --Nanomat (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, it's definitely an MG5. Also, that "M19" name is pretty much a goof lol; the P320 in reality is designed as M17 and M18, depending on the size. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:08, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

I quite like how they've done the animations for this one. Particularly the handguns, the way the screen shakes in conjuction with the jerkiness of the muzzle flip makes it seem like the player character is an actual human controlling recoil rather than a robot who can hold a perfect aim at all times.--Aidoru (talk) 03:19, 17 July 2019 (EDT)

Modern Warfare 2011

I can’t help feel that the weapons list is well...dated!

Famas...dropped by French for Hk416 because its outdated

L86 rarely used by British Army and completely replaced as of April 2019

AUG, Mp5, M14 really?

Desert Eagle ffs come on!

Even the M4A1 feels rehashed, afterall if were playing tier 1 Operators who use Mk18’s or C8’s (in SAS’ case) should the game not match the reality?

--Forrest1985 (talk) 05:20, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Just because an older gun has only been recently replaced by a newer gun does not mean all previous guns in a nations inventory magically disappear into the ether. Many nations still use the M4, AUG, MP5, and M14 as well. The Desert Eagle is a series staple, so I'm not surprised it makes another appearance. The game has plenty of new guns as well, such as the Sig MCX, the M17, the HK433, and so on, so far it seems to strike a decent balance between classic Call of Duty guns and up to date guns.--Aidoru (talk) 15:36, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

There were quite a few FAMASs in the recent Bastille Day parade; the French haven’t fully rolled out HK416Fs overnight since officially adopting them.--AgentGumby (talk) 15

51, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Very true but there are also older weapons that have never appeared in COD before that could have been used instead. I mean why have the L86 when an RPK74 which is more widespread and has seen more use than the L86. Every time COD wants a bullpup it goes AUG and Famas, why not L85A2, CR21 or any other multitude of bullpup choices. I’m just saying the choices seem very safe and “copy/paste” to me. --Forrest1985 (talk) 16:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Huh? The AUG and the FAMAS didn't make a lot of appearances in the CoD universe (the only main games in which they appeared are MW2 and *facepalm* Black Ops - unless you consider the "futurized" versions in BO3/BO4), and from what I've read the AUG is one of the most reliable bullpup weapons, so its appearance is legit. Also come on, the MP5 is one of the most popular submachine guns worldwide (if not the most popular), you certainly can't avoid putting it in the game. I definitely agree that the L86 is a dumb choice though, and we all know the issue with the Desert Eagle, although in the later case you could argue that it has become an iconic weapon in the MW series, so players will have fun again with it in multiplayer. The devs should have put a Mk 14 EBR as opposed to that "modernization" attempt of a normal M14. Other than that, I'm happy with the presence of weapons such as the P320, MCX VIRTUS, MG5, and especially the Remington 870 MCS, which should have been included in the MW series from the start (as opposed to those weird choices of Winchester 1200 and SPAS-12). I'm hoping they will add some firearms such as the Saiga 12, SIG MPX, HK417, SR-25, Glock 17, Mk 23 Mod 0, etc. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Yeah my bad Its probably because both the Aug and Famas were rinsed in both MW2 and Blops. They could have at least picked the Thales F90 for a modern Aug and there are plenty of better choices than the Famas! The MP5 i have no issue with. It is still the premier CT SMG used worldwide and deserves it place. The MK14 would have been a better choice I agree, but I would have picked G28/417 or SR25 EC over it for a more modern touch. --Forrest1985 (talk) 07:59, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

In fairness, the AUG shown in-game is the 9mm SMG version (the Thales doesn't have such a counterpart), and it's not like there are many other choices of current-production bullpup SMGs besides the FN P90, IWI X95 9mm, and QCW-05 / CS/LS2. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:26, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

Raw multiplayer footage

Some new MP footage got released today. More of the same, but without the screaming streamers and featuring several new weapons.

Watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVnJvZjMNCs

What I noticed right off the bat:

-An AK-47 with an RPK style barrel. An attachment or visual customization of some sort, I think. Other than the barrel, the AK's layout was pretty typical.

-Some kind of (integrally suppressed?) bolt-action sniper rifle that I cannot identify for the life of me.

-A .357 magnum revolver, probably a Smith and Wesson.

-A compact AR-15-style rifle.

-An MG42-type machine gun, maybe supposed to be an MG3? It appears to have the MG34's Panzerlauf stock.

-The SIG-Sauer MCX made an appearance. It's known as the "M13."

-Some kind of bullpup assault rifle that I can't identify but vaguely looks like a QBZ-95.

--PyramidHead (talk) 18:10, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

It is an MG34, yeah in a modern game. And the AK is either type II or III. --Nanomat (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

The bullpup rifle was a ShAK-12, interestingly enough, with some serious recoil along for the ride. It also holds 40 rounds in what appears to be a 20-round magazine. Oh, and don't forget the Marlin Model 1894, which I'm guessing will be classified as a sniper rifle in-game. As for the MG34, it's not that far-fetched; some have turned up in combat zones in the Middle East, which is where I assume at least some of the campaign will be taking place. A fair bit less plausible is the 100-round capacity that they've blessed the 50-round belt drum with. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:53, 18 July 2019 (EDT) P.S.: Speaking of capacity, I really don't get why they felt the need to give the P320 a 10-round default mag and a 15-round extended one; unless it's supposed to be in a different caliber, it should hold 15 in a standard mag, while the extendo looks like the full-size version's 21-rounder.

As always, gameplay balancing I guess. --Nanomat (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

Maybe the MG 34 is a “kit” for the MG5? It at least sounds better than the MG 42 in WWII, I’ll give it that.--AgentGumby (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

I hope they don't bring back the "kit" system of firearm variation. Agreed on the audio being leagues better than previous CoDs, there's some nice impact to it now. CoD: WW2 made all their guns sound like someone flicking pebbles at a sheet of tin.--Aidoru (talk) 01:31, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

Funny thing is that I mentioned two months ago the fact that I hadn't seen yet the "universal" revolver reloading technique in a video game, aaaaaaaaand it ended up in this game :D I'm fairly sure the Marlin isn't a Model 1894, but likely a 336, given the trigger guard and the ejection port (the latter having been seen in an earlier video). Regarding the compact AR-style rifle, I'm pretty sure it's a shorter version of the already present MCX VIRTUS (we can exclude the Rattler, since the handguard looks longer than it). The 870 MCS wasn't pumped after a partial reload, which (likely, but I'm not holding my breath) means we will finally see different partial/empty reloads for shell-by-shell reloading shotguns (the only time it was done in a Call of Duty game is... get this, in the 13-year old CoD3). Where I'm less impressed though, is the AK-47 part: while I can excuse its presence since there is also a more modern AK shown in the reveal trailer, the devs once again chose to slap a ribbed receiver cover on it. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:06, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

Speaking of AK, if the Russian Federation armed forces show up in this game, I would faint if they used an AK-74 instead of an older AK model. At least give me an AK-12 or an AK-15. At the very least, I hope to see more modern Russian weapons instead of Russians running around with FAMASs, AUGs, FALs, and Strikers like in Modern Warfare 2 and 3. --PyramidHead (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

Amen to that! I’m hoping they use AK74’s as well not the AKM every game seems to depict. AK15 would be preferable but given the rebels part take place in past, ‘74 would be better suited. Personally I would have had the AK74 and RPK in this game and included the AK12 and RPK16 as “skins” like MW:R. Do you think they will add the F2000 in as that has shown up on Syria in a few clips/photos --Forrest1985 (talk) 08:06, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

Mk 18 ID

Are we sure it's a Mod 1? Not a lot can be gleaned from the image, but it looks like it's just a Mod 0 with a PRI folding front sight block. Spartan198 (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Here's some gameplay footage of it, if it helps. But anyway, judging by the video linked below, the weapon has the front sight on the railed handguard by default, but customization options do include a folding front sight block and a traditional AR-15 front sight. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:24, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Customization teaser

Looks pretty extensive.--Tamarin88 (talk) 14:04, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Ohhhh, I think I'm gonna enjoy this --PyramidHead (talk) 14:43, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Couldn't they add the M26 MASS as opposed to that outdated (and recycled) Masterkey? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Looks cool. I just hope they don't go overboard with the skins (no animated neon pink tigerstripes with diamonds please), or lock some of the customization options behind lootboxes/ridiculous grinds.--Aidoru (talk) 00:47, 23 July 2019 (EDT)