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Talk:Pattern 1914 Enfield
Shouldn't the P14 be the PRIMARY gun on this page? since the M1917 was a U.S. Adaption of the British rifle? MoviePropMaster2008 03:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- Well, there were more M1917s than P14s made, and the M1917 was a primary US service weapon where it was only a secondary one for the Brits, so I think M1917 should probably be the primary gun. - Nyles
- which one was more prevalent is technically NOT the criterion IMFDB uses. We start with the original BASE GUN and the Pattern 1914 came first and was copied and rechambered by the Americans. At the least the P14 should be mentioned or have a section. Our page here, unfortunately, acts like the M1917 just came out of thin air, with no nods to the P14 at all. :( MoviePropMaster2008 15:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Image
The image currently used for the M1917 is actually a British P14. You can tell be the style of stock and the marking disc. I'm going to try and find a decent image of an actual M1917 to upload. - Nyles
1917 Enfield Sporter variations
The 1917 Enfield was at one time more popular for sporterizing than the 03 Springfield. Especially for those who wanted a strongly made rifle for the safari or Dangerous Game calibers. Mainly .375 H&H Magnum and .416 Rigby. --Jcordell (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
General Question
Regarding the M1917 Enfield, I noticed the 6-round capacity. So, how did this work with stripper clips? Did it take proprietary stripper clips, did it use M1903 stripper clips and need an extra round to be left out/single-loaded, did it do either, or did it do something else entirely that I for some reason didn't think of? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 17:51, 25 November 2016 (EST)
- For the most part I believe that it was just treated as a 5 shot rifle being loaded with the standard clips. You could top it off with an extra round, but I doubt that this would be done much in combat as this adds a lot of time to reloading as you fiddle around pulling a loose round out of your pocket and load it in after the clip. Webbing gear was designed around only carrying the 5 round clips, so if you did carry spare rounds they would just have to be shoved in a pocket. Also, I believe that the ammo itself was supplied in bandoleers of pre loaded clips so you would have to go through the effort of unloading clips to get extra loose rounds. As for whey they would give the rifle a 6 round capacity when it was so hard to utilise, the answer is they didn't really. The 6th round capacity only came from the fact that the rifle was originally designed to feed the rimmed .303 ammunition, so when converted over to the rimless .30-06 a 6th round would fit in. --commando552 (talk) 19:34, 25 November 2016 (EST)
- Thanks for the info, M88. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:32, 25 November 2016 (EST)
British intentions
I understand why it was dropped with the outbreak of war in 1914, but why did the British not pick up development of the .276 cartridge after the war. They felt the .303 was outdone by Mauser cartridges, why did they keep the .303 for another thirty+ years?--Zombiedrd (talk) 21:18, 25 November 2016 (EST)
- It happened due to financial problems and also due to large stores of existing .303 rifles and cartridges. The same problem was is USSR where a development of new rimless cartridge started as early as mid-1920s but the replacement of existing ammunition was considered inexpedient as it would take too high cost. France was the only state that managed to fulfil the program of developing a brand new cartridge. Greg-Z (talk) 01:59, 26 November 2016 (EST)