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Talk:Steyr TMP
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MP9 pictures
Does anyone know what is going on with the pictures of the MP9? One of the main differences between the TMP and the MP9 is that the MP9 introduced a trigger safety, but the pictured guns don't have this. Are these early versions, airsoft guns or some kind of hybrid cobbled together from a TMP and MP9 parts? The guns below are airsoft replicas, but they are accurate ones and hence have the trigger safety. --commando552 09:40, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- There's more differences between the two than just a trigger safety. The MP9 has rails, a folding stock, and a different safety, whereas the TMP does not have the first two features. Your pictures would be hybrids because they have the folding stock and rails in addition to the built in foregrip. A true TMP has no rails or stock and a built in foregrip. --Ranger12 11:55, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- I said ONE of the differances (of several) is the trigger safety on MP9, which the main page pictured guns do not have. My pictures are not hybrids, they are MP9s (or to be more precise exact airsoft replicas), as they have the folding stock, rails and trigger safety. --commando552 13:23, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Well, only so much. They are airsoft clones to the MP9SF (SF = Select fire). The normal civilian MP9 doesn't have that foregrip molded into the frame (because of US laws.) It's either smooth or has a rail built into it. --Ranger12 18:24, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- There is no such thing as the MP9SF. B&T manufacture the MP9 (select fire, moulded forward grip and folding stock), and the TP9 (semi only, removable rail and fitted for but not with a folding stock). They are both imported into the US by DSA, who sell the MP9 as the TP9SF, and the TP9 as the TP9. I am only asking about the MP9 pictures, the TP9 section has the correct images. All I was doing was pointing out the the pictures we have for the MP9 are wrong, as they have no trigger safety, and was hoping someone knew if they were an airsoft version, hybrid gun, or early/prototype version. The pictures of the airsoft gun I posted are exact replicas of a MP9/TP9SF, and posted them to show what an MP9 actually looks like, as opposed to the ones on the main page. I have also never seen the markings "MP9" on the bolt of an actual gun, from what I've seen they either have the calibre with serial number beneath, or the bolt is blank. I believe the former is on DSA US import guns, and the latter for guns sold by B&T in Europe, but not 100% on this last point. --commando552 19:00, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- I meant TP9SF. And DSA DOES NOT import the version you have up! (into the US, and forget about England because their laws are insane). The ones they import don't have the forgrip or stock because it's ILLEGAL. Picture wise, the LEGAL TP9 DOESN'T have the forgrip or stock, so I don't see why you would use TM9 photos for a MP9. The pictures up now are mixes of inaccurate airsoft guns and some early versions. Even though the gun is different, remember that there are cosmetic differences between the MP9 and TMP! --Ranger12 20:12, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Stop talking about the TP9! I am talking about the MP9, which DSA does import and call TP9SF, here is the proof from the DSA website. For the sake of clarity, do not use the term TP9SF, as this is purely an import name and the proper B&T name is the MP9 (it is used this way on the main page). I know the TP9 doesn't have a grip, and have no idea why you keep telling me this, as it had nothing to do with my original question. No idea what you mean by "I don't see why you would use TM9 photos for a MP9", as this hasn't been done, and I have not intention of doing it. Do you think the pictures above are TP9s, because they are definitely MP9s. On closer inspection, I think all 3 of the pictures in the MP9 section are actually of real guns as opposed to airsoft, as can see the magazine spring, but none of them are of the normal MP9 as first two lack the trigger safety, and the last one has a TMP barrel. --commando552 20:53, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Who man don't blow a fuse! And sorry, I took your original question a little differently than it sounded. I thought (in short) you were asking about if your photos were real.
- Stop talking about the TP9! I am talking about the MP9, which DSA does import and call TP9SF, here is the proof from the DSA website. For the sake of clarity, do not use the term TP9SF, as this is purely an import name and the proper B&T name is the MP9 (it is used this way on the main page). I know the TP9 doesn't have a grip, and have no idea why you keep telling me this, as it had nothing to do with my original question. No idea what you mean by "I don't see why you would use TM9 photos for a MP9", as this hasn't been done, and I have not intention of doing it. Do you think the pictures above are TP9s, because they are definitely MP9s. On closer inspection, I think all 3 of the pictures in the MP9 section are actually of real guns as opposed to airsoft, as can see the magazine spring, but none of them are of the normal MP9 as first two lack the trigger safety, and the last one has a TMP barrel. --commando552 20:53, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- I meant TP9SF. And DSA DOES NOT import the version you have up! (into the US, and forget about England because their laws are insane). The ones they import don't have the forgrip or stock because it's ILLEGAL. Picture wise, the LEGAL TP9 DOESN'T have the forgrip or stock, so I don't see why you would use TM9 photos for a MP9. The pictures up now are mixes of inaccurate airsoft guns and some early versions. Even though the gun is different, remember that there are cosmetic differences between the MP9 and TMP! --Ranger12 20:12, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- There is no such thing as the MP9SF. B&T manufacture the MP9 (select fire, moulded forward grip and folding stock), and the TP9 (semi only, removable rail and fitted for but not with a folding stock). They are both imported into the US by DSA, who sell the MP9 as the TP9SF, and the TP9 as the TP9. I am only asking about the MP9 pictures, the TP9 section has the correct images. All I was doing was pointing out the the pictures we have for the MP9 are wrong, as they have no trigger safety, and was hoping someone knew if they were an airsoft version, hybrid gun, or early/prototype version. The pictures of the airsoft gun I posted are exact replicas of a MP9/TP9SF, and posted them to show what an MP9 actually looks like, as opposed to the ones on the main page. I have also never seen the markings "MP9" on the bolt of an actual gun, from what I've seen they either have the calibre with serial number beneath, or the bolt is blank. I believe the former is on DSA US import guns, and the latter for guns sold by B&T in Europe, but not 100% on this last point. --commando552 19:00, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Well, only so much. They are airsoft clones to the MP9SF (SF = Select fire). The normal civilian MP9 doesn't have that foregrip molded into the frame (because of US laws.) It's either smooth or has a rail built into it. --Ranger12 18:24, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- I said ONE of the differances (of several) is the trigger safety on MP9, which the main page pictured guns do not have. My pictures are not hybrids, they are MP9s (or to be more precise exact airsoft replicas), as they have the folding stock, rails and trigger safety. --commando552 13:23, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- As for your original question, the photos currently in use are probably A) early models or B) someones gun with the trigger safety removed. I don't know if you have ever used a gun with a trigger safety, but they SUCK. I've met several people who have removed them because they make the trigger really heavy with a weird pull. The 3rd one probably just has an aftermarket threaded barrel (easy to get ant allow you to add cool stuff on the end of the gun).
- And as a last note, in the hundreds of gun shows and gun shops I've been too, I have NEVER seen a TP9 marked or advertised as an MP9. Yes they may be identical, but some guns are banned by name only, so you can have the exact same gun with a different name. (Stupid, but it happens). Hope this clears things up!--Ranger12 17:24, 5 November 2011 (CDT)
Gun Name
I know it is just a minor thing, but the gun is called MP9, without the hyphen. I am volunteering to change MP-9 to the correct MP9 (not just here obviously, but on every page featuring the MP9, as weel as the redirects) if that is okay. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 14:34, 31 January 2012 (CST)