Talk:Strike Back - Season 4Talk:Strike Back - Season 4 - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video GamesTalk:Strike Back - Season 4
OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --Iceman (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. 52TulaSKS (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --Iceman (talk) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --commando552 (talk) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --Iceman (talk) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --commando552 (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. Spartan198 (talk) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --commando552 (talk) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --Iceman (talk) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at this image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a real M4 they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --commando552 (talk) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --Iceman (talk) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
Only thing I could think of was, since they got picked up in California by the Army maybe they acquired some gear from them? "Johnoneal (talk) 18:50, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"
Smoke Grenades
These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is this website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small image of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --commando552 (talk) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like this), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. APS221 (talk) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --commando552 (talk) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery
During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --commando552 (talk) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --Iceman (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --commando552 (talk) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --Iceman (talk) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
As of S04E03 Stonebridge is carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.
Scott and Stonebridge's Gear
May be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested, the men get quite a bit of their gear from Condor: http://www.condoroutdoor.com/index.aspx. This includes their leg holsters and belts and I believe their vests and slings too, although I've yet to figure out the exact models. They also rely on Oakley gloves, Casio G-Shock and Protrek watches, Ray Ban sunglasses and CRKT folding knives. Hope this helps anyone who's been searching for a similar loadout. --Mmarlon brando (talk) 20:41, 25 August 2013 (EDT)
I think this is a good topic for the discussion session because there has been times when I've been curious what they were using, just because. I always try to identify what holsters they carry in the small of their backs but can't get a clear look, and I have way too much free time on my hands... - John
The clearest shot of that IWB holster is in S2E3 when Markunda removes Scott's Glock from it. There's some sort of logo or inscription on the metal clip, but I've never been able to make out what it says. They do look to be using the same ones this season, so here's hoping we get a nice close-up. --Mmarlon brando (talk) 23:42, 25 August 2013 (EDT)
After a few minutes of sliding sliders, resizing, cropping and rotating a screencap of that scene, it looks to say "El Paso", and Google leads me to El Paso Leather (And El Paso Saddlery, but that is the wrong company, though they make nice looking holsters) which has the right logo. Unfortunately, they don't have an online catalog to find the specific model of holster.--Crazycrankle (talk) 01:16, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
I did a few minutes on Google and found that El Paso Leather is now Nevada Gun Leather. Try www.nevadagunleather.com and see if the holster is there. --DeltaOne (talk) 02:43, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
Nevada Gun Leather does have an IWB holster that looks to fit the bill. Checking around, it turns out that the holsters themselves are manufactured in South Africa, the frequent home base for filming the show. Link here. Appreciate the help. --Mmarlon brando (talk) 08:27, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
This is why I love this site! "Johnoneal (talk) 12:46, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"
Looks like Lt. Col Locke was carrying his Sig in a Blackhawk CQC paddle holster during episode 5. Nice to see his character finally "get some dust on his boots."--Mmarlon brando (talk) 03:50, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
Speaking of the gear, does anybody know if the necklace radio pressels they have our a real thing or if they are totally made up? --commando552 (talk) 04:07, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
I don't think they are induction loops, as they just hang on a chain like dogtags (there were a couple of good shots of them in episode 4). --commando552 (talk) 20:24, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
Yeah, the first real good shots where when Dalton pulled them out of the glove box. I'd be interested in knowing what the hell it is. Johnoneal (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
For anyone who may be interested, spotted a Leatherman MUT on Scott's chest rig in ep. 8. First time I've seen one of those onscreen, but an appropriate multitool nonetheless. --Mmarlon brando (talk) 02:15, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
MP5s in S03E05
I will upload caps for this tomorrow, but just wanted to say my god there were a lot of MP5 variants in that episode. So far I have spotted MP5A2s, MP5A3s, an MP5SD2, an MP5K PDW with a UMP stock, a regular MP5K and a couple of "Reverse Stretch" MP5Ks. I can't quite work out what some of the MP5s were at the airport at the end were though. They looked to be MP5A3s with Navy trigger packs and "F" stocks, however the magazine has me confused. It is straight, but it doesn't match anything I have seen before as it doesn't have the waffle texture of the old style mags (and is too long for a 20 round and too short for a 30), but is too short to be a regular .40 or 10mm mag:
Any ideas?--commando552 (talk) 17:42, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
Is it possible that this is just the reverse stretch MP5K modified to resemble the MP5A3? They look the same except for the longer barrel and handguard. --Ben41 (talk) 20:55, 22 November 2013 (EST)
No, I don't think the reverse stretch is actually a "real" reverse stretch by the look of it, but rather a reverse stretch built from the same copy/mockup/whatever. There are better shots of these MP5s in the last episode, such as here:Error creating thumbnail: File missingIn this shot you can see that the weapon is slightly "cruder" in appearance than a real MP5, like that hollow tube cocking handle and the extra pins in the trigger group. Even the magazine has what appears to be a random bolt or pin going through the bottom of it. I almost wondered if they are another gun entirely that is inside an airsoft MP5 shell or something weird like that, as it is odd that the receiver of the weapon is dead on, yet it has weird differences that don't belong on a real MP5. --commando552 (talk) 21:08, 22 November 2013 (EST)
Anyway we can contact the armorer of the show and ask? Excalibur01 (talk) 01:07, 23 November 2013 (EST)
P226
Looks like every member of 20 is carrying a Sig P226 in Episode 5. Johnoneal (talk) 00:16, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
Actually the girls were carrying P225s. --commando552 (talk) 05:23, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
Speaking of that. In episode 6 when they were pinned by Skander, Mike actually cleared a jam on his gun and it went back into battery Excalibur01 (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
I'm not sure if it does go back into battery fully, I went through frame by frame and couldn't tell as it is too blurry. Later though it jams when he draws his SIG to try and stop the guy reaching for the mortar timer so he racks the slide but this time it definitely jams again, so they just CG in the muzzle flashes. Due to the way this is shot (long continuous takes with multiple cameras) you quite often see them clearing jams, but the P226s they use in this show seem to be a bit of a liability. I seem to remember that the BXP that Rebecca Levi used during the bank robbery kept jamming as well. I imagine that jams are not necessarily more common in this show, but you see them a lot more due to the actors just dealing with them and carrying on rather than them having to do separate takes and editing around it. --commando552 (talk) 16:24, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
I think it might be a grenade launcher or possibly a compact shotgun but really have no clue. Any ideas? --commando552 (talk) 06:30, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
I think this is the same gun in S04E06, being held by the officer to the right of the door at the top of the stairs:Error creating thumbnail: File missingI think its a shotgun, but not even sure about that. --commando552 (talk) 11:35, 23 September 2013 (EDT)
Thanks, really appreciate that. Can you give me any more info on the gun, is it actually the screen used gun or just the same variant? I recognise all the attachments apart from the rail system, do you know what this is? --commando552 (talk) 16:56, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
Yes. exactly that was used in this scene. The rail is an Aimtech Warhammer Shotgun Mount.--Hades
The shotgun is used by a bad guy in Episode 9, and you get a pretty good look at it. Also, they seem to have ditched the Vz58s for super-short M4 things (Noveske N4 Diplomat? But that's way too modern and Western.) and Martinez uses some weird G36-but-not thing.--Mandolin (talk) 16:40, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
The mystery assault rifle has a G36-ish front and a SCAR-ish stock.--Mandolin (talk) 16:49, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
It was a CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1 submachine gun. Haven't watched the episode yet, just flicked through to see what you were talking about. Will uplod caps tomorrow. --commando552 (talk) 19:40, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
ID'ing the short AR-15s is complicated by the fact that I think there are two different variants used by Scott and Stonebridge. For Stonebridge, based on how the handguard bolts to the front of the receiver with those three bolt each side, I'm going to say a Daniel Defence SBR with a Lite rail (previous model, not the current one that is listed on their site now). I couldn't really get that good a view of Scott's gun, but it appeared that there was a gap between the handguard and the receiver with a ring between them. I did tink originally it might be a Czech Luvo Arms gun, but the ring didn't look big enough. commando552 (talk) 08:44, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
I would guess they are milled as they have the wide front sight and the original gas block, but they aren't really seen properly. --commando552 (talk) 07:33, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
This is an AK-47...and a Flash-Hiding Compensator called: PWS Diablo.--Hades
Just something I noticed in Episode 8. This happened at about 20:29 in. Sgt. Richmond had stopped firing her weapon at this point. In the previous scene the bolt carrier was in battery, as well as after this scene, yet here it is jammed partially open. I guess this is just a technical goof? 52TulaSKS (talk) 23:53, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
My guess is that this shot is from a different take to the before and after shots. In this take the gun probably jammed during firing hence probably why they didn't use it, but for whatever reason this shot was better from the "jam" take. --commando552 (talk) 13:32, 5 October 2013 (EDT)
I don't think that's it. The ejector rod on the Taurus 85 has a full shroud. This does not. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:46, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
There was a Taurus .38 snub that had an unshrouded ejector rob that I think was the pre-85 model, but this had a long front sight like the older Model 85s as opposed to this gun that has a short little front sight blade. Here is a pic of what I am thinking of and what I was originally going to ID it as before I realised the front sight and the cylinder release didn't match. I suppose it could be one of the these with the front sight and the cylinder release ground down to be smaller, but this seems like a really odd modification to do to one of these. Or possibly there is a newer/older model of it that had these differenced, but I have never seen it. --commando552 (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
How about whatever this is? I don't think it's actually a Taurus Model 80, I'm not finding any evidence the Taurus 80 was every made with a 2" barrel. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
A small modification had to be done on this one.(Your eyes like an eagle's.)--Hades
Is it a Model 80 rather than an 85 though? As it has a 6 round cylinder I assume it has to be an 80 right? Do you know what mods it has had, from the appearance I assume the barrel has been shortened and the sides of the cylinder release lever have been shaved off. --commando552 (talk) 15:03, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
I can't tell if it's five or six shots from the images. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:39, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
It's a 6 shot. On a six shot the cylinder stop notches and the fluting are staggered, on a five shot (or any other odd number like the seven shot Smith & Wesson Model 686s) the fluting and the notches lines up. In this image you can see that they are staggered, meaning it is a 6 shot so therefore (I think) a Model 80. --commando552 (talk) 17:19, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
But that's the other thing, did Taurus ever make a Model 80 with a 2-in barrel? --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:21, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
New ARs in S4E09
As of S4E09, it appears that Scott and Stonebridge are now carrying some type of short-barreled AR-type carbine as their main weapons on missions. Could anyone tell what type of weapon it was? My guess is that they were Mark 18 CQBRs with SOPMOD Block II accessories, but I couldn't tell for sure. Unlike the show's M4s, they don't seem to be mock-ups built by cutting off the carry handle on older-model rifles. -MT2008 (talk) 16:27, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
I'm just about to upload caps of them, but they are a bit of a mishmash I think. The one used by Stonebridge has a Daniel Defense Lite rail, but the forward assist has a teardrop plunger which is incorrect for a stock DD gun. Scott's gun has a different rail system where there is a gap between the handguard and receiver rails. The lower markings of Scott's carbine are briefly visible, but the only part I could make out is that I think the last part of the manufacturer name is "DIVISION", but I can't thnik of a company with division. Anybody have any ideas? Neither of the rifles are seen particularly clearly though, as the first scene they are used in is a night scene, and the second is shot on a train so most of the camera angles are either directly in front of or behind the actors. Hopefully they will continue to use them in the next episode with some clearer shots. --commando552 (talk) 17:27, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
On second thought, it looks like the rifles are supposed to be the PWS MK107, not the Mark 18, though I'm not sure they're the real deal (given the various "Franken" weapons we have seen on this show, I would imagine that the armorers at Hire Arms built the weapons from parts of other ARs that they already had in inventory).
Also, not sure the teardrop forward assist says much, except that the armorers happened to have a shortage of the newer round type in inventory (if you have ever seen Generation Kill, which was also done with Hire Arms weapons/handlers, the M4s on that mini-series all have the teardrop forward assist). -MT2008 (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
One other thing I noticed: Stonebridge's weapon has the "bent" trigger guard seen on the MK107, while Scott's does not. Neither rifle has the correct type of rail system for PWS rifles, though. But I still think that right now, the best way that we could describe these weapons would be as "PWS MK107 "Diablo" (mock-ups)", since that's clearly what they're supposed to be. -MT2008 (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
What I meant by the forward assist thing as that it indicates that it isn't an OTS complete Daniel Defence gun as they have a round forward assist, so is more likely a custom build. I don't think we can really say that they are meant to be Diablos, they look no more like those than they do like a lot of other rifles in this weight class, like a Noveske Diplomat or LWRD PSD. --commando552 (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
The Base is a Colt M16...and this has been built exactly for "Stonebridge" 's style and his personal expectation.--Hades
Thanks again. If you have any other pictures of the guns used in this show please post them. Even if they are standard, unmodified guns, it is always great to have a shot of the actual screen-used weapon. --commando552 (talk) 15:53, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
You're welcome. It's possible, just time-dependent.--Hades
I've got a couple of feelers out on the other AR with a couple of individuals very familiar with the platform. Hopefully they can go off of the screenshot of the lower and give an idea. DeltaOne (talk)
Berettas in S04E10
Anyone have any idea about these guns that are used by US soldiers and then subsequently by some of the cleanskins:
It has a Beretta type open topped slide, slide safety, skeleton hammer and railed frame which looks like it might be polymer. I was originally going to call it a Beretta 90Two, but then I realised that firstly it had a square trigger guard, but also that the frame design appears to be totally wrong. It looks too high going all the way up to the slide safety, and also lacks the external trigger bar that is on all the 92 variants. --commando552 (talk) 20:01, 19 October 2013 (EDT)
Ramstein AFB
Randomly wondering, should there be vehicles marked "KFOR" there? Kosovo is a pretty lengthy drive from Germany. Spartan198 (talk) 23:25, 23 October 2013 (EDT)
Some MP g-wagens over here have KFOR markings too,and did they actually film it in germany? --Iceman (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2013 (EST)
If it was, I doubt it was filmed on Ramstein itself. I really don't think base command there would take kindly to actors running around and firing thousands of rounds through automatic weapons on their runways, lest one stray shell casing missed by the cleanup crew get sucked into a jet engine and destroy it, or even cause the aircraft to crash and possibly get someone hurt or killed. Spartan198 (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2014 (EST)
4 times walk along and no shells left, but You are right.
--Hades 17 Februar 2014 (EDT)
Screen-used weapons
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So here are some screen-used gun...
So Hades, did you deliberately measure your post to be exact 666 characters long, or was it just an awesome coincidence? --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:31, 6 November 2013 (EST)
No...Seems Universe has a sense of humour...:)--Hades
Thanks for these, it is very much appreciated. Dou you happen to have any info about the AR-15 used by Michelle Lukes, as in is it a production rifle or a custom build? Also, do you know anything about the MP5 type SMGs that are used during the episodes shot in Hungary? I'm talking about these ones with the straight mag, different cocking handle and the odd pin locations. --commando552 (talk) 12:07, 17 November 2013 (EST)
