Hi!
I made this kinda quick. Didn't have a lot of time to check errors.
I'm relatively new to the editing in this site. So if any veteran
around with more knowledge could help improve the article would be indeed
great.
When it comes to the weapon, I believe it's a Norinco Type 56-2 since the stock
looks like the one in a Type 56-2. Otherwise correct if I'm wrong.
Also one of the guys seems to have a laser sight. Don't know which sort though
Santos 17:08, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
The rifles seem to have some sort of rail system on them... which I think is a shame--Gran28 10:55, 3 November 2011 (CDT)
Most likely is the handguard with picatinny rails. The guy knocking on the van leading those other two men, seems to have a laser sight attached to it. This is a handguard is from FAB-Defense. http://www.fab-defense.com/images/big-details/ak-47-1.jpg
One of the screenshots mentions "excellent" trigger discipline, to me it looks like his finger is actually on the trigger as there is a small curve in the shape of the finger, I wouldn't refer to that as excellent trigger discipline. --cool-breeze 14:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)
To me it looks like the guy is holding his finger just slightly above the trigger area, not excellent but still better than most games have, to be honest the only game i can remember that had great trigger discipline was MGS4 where Snake kept his finger completely off the triggers of all weapons unless he was aiming them, but i think that since they're both video games, bad trigger discipline can be excused since i doubt developers want to spend who knows how many hours giving every character separate finger animations for trigger discipline, and also there is the fact that the character can have their fingers wrapped around the triggers, but the players have theirs completely off the fire button, so essentially, it's our own 'trigger' discipline that video game characters have (least that's how i see it) we should save the bad trigger discipline arguments for movies.Kornflakes89 16:26, 8 March 2012 (CST)
Add ArmA 2 to the list of games with excellent trigger discipline. Laqueesha (talk) 03:55, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
M4?
Help to identify; looks like a M4 rifle with longer (?) and suppressed barrel. Pawelm (talk) 13:55, 10 November 2012 (EST)
I would say that it has a shorter barrel than an M4A1. I would say it's a suppressed Mk. 18 Mod 0. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 14:21, 10 November 2012 (EST)
Suppressor resembles an AAC model which covers more of the barrel than the KAC suppressors we commonly see, so it's possible it could still be an M4. Spartan198 (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2012 (EST)
If it was an M4 length barrel, there would be no suppressor left to actually trap the gas to suppress the weapon. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 22:24, 10 November 2012 (EST)
looks like it has the older CAR-15 style stock Excalibur01 (talk) 00:38, 11 November 2012 (EST)
What people refer to as CAR-15s (XM177, XM177E1, XM177E2 etc) were fitted with a stock that was made of aluminium with a black polymer coating as seen here. Later Colt carbines up to and including the M4 had a synthetic fiberlite stock as seen here. The easiest way to tell them apart are the vertical reinforcing ribs that are present on the side of the fiberlite stock, which are present in the game gun. As this stock can be found on Mk. 18s, Model 933s and M4s (all of which this gun could be depending on how the suppressor fits) that doesn't really help. However as the gun has the slim handguard rather than the thicker double heat shield M4 handguard, my best guess would be a Mk. 18. --commando552 (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2012 (EST)
What I think he meant was this is the 3rd Gen stock, the four-position plastic, not the newer six-position.--Sangheili1155 (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2012 (EST)
I've seen scans that show one of the other characters holding that weapon without a suppressor on it. I'd definitely go with Mk.18 --DeltaOne (talk) 01:12, 11 November 2012 (EST)
I'm sure that this is why this image is in this section, but I cant believe these animated pictures as validation for the weapons in the game. GTA IV had MANY weapons in the loading screens that for what ever reason never made it to the final product.--A single bullet can change history (talk) 20:05, 11 November 2012 (EST)
Check the Grand Theft Auto IV page and you'll notice we include loading screen weapons on it. Spartan198 (talk) 01:16, 12 November 2012 (EST)
If a weapon is in the game and can be identified, then it should be identified. This includes artwork, loading screens, stock footage, in-game posters, whatever; if it's a clear and identifiable shot it's included. Weapons only seen in previews can also be included as long as the image is from a legitimate source and not leaked. Evil Tim (talk) 05:52, 20 November 2012 (EST)
Cover for the latest Game Informer magazine. You can see the suppressor is missing but the muzzle and the barrel is missing Excalibur01 (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2012 (EST)
Weapon Selection hope
So I don't know about most of you, but one of the worst aspects to these games is the frank lack of weapons for which you to use. I am not saying that the game doesn't need 100 different firearms, but there is no need to use the low level weapons once the higher tier weapons are unlocked (compare the Glock and Desert Eagle in GTA IV, how often do you use the Glock after unlocking). If nothing else I hope that this game has at least 3-4 variations in firearm. There are tons of vehicles to choose from, but you dont spend most of your time offing people with cars. Having to use the same repetitive weapon again and again bores me. What are your thoughts?--A single bullet can change history (talk) 20:09, 11 November 2012 (EST)
Four or five options of each type sound good to me. I'm hoping we get a silenced pistol again this time. Spartan198 (talk) 01:21, 12 November 2012 (EST)
@Spartan198, exactly! The way I have seen it (for example), in the pistol category there should be a standard (Glock), Hi standard (1911), Burst (Beretta 93R), Special (Silenced [if no ability to customize]), and Magnum (Desert Eagle/Equivilant). Now this is a very basic look, but I think you can catch my drift. Same thing for shotguns where there should be a Double Barrell (For range and/or sawed off), Pump (Mossberg), Semi Auto (Benelli M4), and Automatic (USAS-12/AA-12). You can make any adjustments for which weapons are in which category does not matter. But the differences. --A single bullet can change history (talk) 12:45, 12 November 2012 (EST)
Seeing the silenced 56-2s in the reveal; its likely.Mr.Ice (talk) 01:25, 12 November 2012 (EST)
I'm really hoping to see an Ithaca 37 in this like in San Andreas, being that this is taking place in the same fictional Los Angeles. --QueenSasha24 (talk) 04:01, 12 November 2012 (EST)
I'm really hoping for a SIG P226 myself this time around, but with the 92FS, that's looking unlikely. I like Valiant's system of classification, though. Using that system, I'd like to see assault rifles classified like this: an AKMS without a stock (low accuracy, short range), the Type 56 (medium accuracy, short range), the AR-15 variant (high accuracy, medium range), TAR-21 (high accuracy, long range). A grenade launcher attachment (if the weapons are customizable) would be nice, too. Spartan198 (talk) 07:38, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
The rifle on the 3rd screencap looks like a HK416 variant (handguard with these thin vents). Also the rifle in 1st and 2nd screenshot seems to be different than the one in the 3rd. It has a black magazine, in games a gun rarely can have a mag swapped out. :D --Gr3gory (talk) 10:06, 15 November 2012 (EST)
PS sorry for the black bars guys :\ --Gr3gory (talk) 10:08, 15 November 2012 (EST)
I'm guessing it is the same rifle in all 3 caps. Also, in the first screencap you can see the distinctive forward assist/brass deflector that is used on VLTOR VIS and MUR upper receivers (here is a picture of a Noveske Diplomat with a VIS upper showing the forward assist). Although these uppers are used on Noveske rifles, I don't think this is one as the handguard is wrong. --commando552 (talk) 12:22, 15 November 2012 (EST)
It looks like more an AAC Honey Badger (look at the stock and the bolt) than an HK416 or AR-15-like rifle for the 3rd picture. --bonshomme (talk)
Several reasons why I don't think it is a Honey Badger: firstly, the stock on the Honey Badger extend on rails on the side of the receiver like an MP5, as opposed to this where it extends along the buffer tube in typical Colt Carbine fashion; secondly it appears that it has a VLTOR VIS/MUR upper receiver based on the design of the combined forward assist and brass deflector which the Honey Badger doesn't; lastly, even if you disagree that it is a VLTOR upper it definitely has a forward assist, which the Honey Badger does not just having a normal brass deflector. In what way do you think the bolt makes it a Honey Badger they are pretty much the same on a typical AR-15 and a Honey Badger aren't they? (with the exception of the FA serrations, but from these screenshots you cannot tell whether they are there or not.) --commando552 (talk) 19:30, 29 March 2013 (EDT)
As a member of GTA Forums, I can reliably say that anything you see there should be taken with the biggest dose of salt in history. Like, something from Big Bone Lick State Park. Chitoryu12 (talk) 04:06, 20 November 2012 (EST)
1911 and Glock
A new artwork was revealed, and it has a 1911 and a glock variant. We should put on the main page?--Flavio (talk) 15:16, 4 January 2013 (EST)
I got some better images of the weapons that I'll be adding to the article. Here's a better shot of the unknown rifle; it looks kinda like a SCAR-H, but there's bits that aren't right.
Looks more like a weird FAL--Iceman (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
Also, here's a shot of the pistol used by Michael in the rappelling scene. I can't identify it, but it almost looks to have an orange tip like an airsoft gun and no hammer. Chitoryu12 (talk) 12:58, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
[[1]] Not sure if it's a Hi-Power or 1911, on Michael's TV. AgentGumby (talk) 22:11, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
Yeah, I'm also thinking some kind of short-barreled FAL for the new AR, judging by the magazine and shape of the mag well. It and the Tavor are certainly new and different choices considering GTA's past being dominated by the combo of an AK and M16 variants, which is a good thing. That's four assault rifles altogether now so far (five if the CQBR on concept art shown above is included in the game), so let's hope the other weapon categories have as diverse a selection. And considering how big the weapon selection in RDR was, I'm feeling pretty confident about it. Maybe my wish for a P226 could still come to pass after all? Spartan198 (talk) 01:10, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
Here's a higher resolution cropped image of the mystery rifle.
It has the heat shield, gas block, and front sight of an M249, the magazine looks more like a belt bag, and the stock looks derived from the fixed stock of the Masada/ACR. The optic is an out-of-scale Elcan SpecterDR and it has a Magpul AFG2 foregrip. The receiver area lacks details, but I'm going to hazard a guess that it's some kind of M249-based machine gun. Spartan198 (talk) 04:15, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
Now that you said that I start to see it, but my first bet was FAL, in the end it could just be a butchered MG, the stock doesn't somehow look m249ish to me and the heat shield seems tiny.--Iceman (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
After re-watching the trailer, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a light machine gun. The ammo pouch gets a bit more obvious in motion and it's certainly an ammo pouch, not a 20 round 7.62 magazine. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 04:05, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
I bet it turns out to be something really stoopid like an LSAT with a modified handguard. Evil Tim (talk) 09:34, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
That horrified me for a moment, but I'll sleep soundly tonight knowing that LSAT is tucked a bit further away then the pool of common firearms that appear in GTA. It will be some monstrosity of the natural order regardless. -BeloglaviSup (talk) 14:57, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
Seems to be a new pistol, but I can't ID it.[2]] Spartan198 (talk) 21:52, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
Could be a beretta. Weird pouch like a 50 rounder or something, but yeah now its definitely an butchered mg. --Iceman (talk) 06:35, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
Underside of the trigger guard is straight, all Beretta models are rounded downward. Spartan198 (talk) 15:25, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
DRD Tactical Paratus? Thomas (talk) 10:33, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
You mean the one to the left (its more likely an M4 would make sense for a game not centered around gun pron to have a generic well known firearm rather than some obscure one) if you mean the MG probably even more unlikely to me for now its seems like a franke-gun or at least a horribly scaled one. On a side note look at the one in the case the sight seems to be open http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/05/GTA-V-Heists.jpg and definetely a glock held by the guy in the picture little way above http://assets.vr-zone.net/19885/GTA_V_MFT.png -Iceman (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
Spartan, gun models in video games can differ from their real life counterparts. It looks like a Beretta to me. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
Which gun are you talking about, the one pictured immediately above named "File:GTA5 Mystery Gun.jpg"? If so you need to look at this image again, as it clearly shows that what looks like a mag from the side is actually a belt bag. Also you have the fact that the front sight and gas block are a match for a Minimi, and what can be seen of the receier in this grainy image is also pretty close. The only obvious differences are the furniture with the stock and handguard being different, and that the scaling is off. --commando552 (talk) 20:13, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
Commando, I was actually talking about this pistol: [3]] --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
Thats what I already said, since the game obviously has one in it, it's probably a beretta. --Iceman (talk) 05:59, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
I know, I was agreeing with you because Spartan said that it couldn't be a Beretta with the squared trigger guard. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 09:57, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
Sorry came of a bit rude , I meant to accentuate the fact that beretta is probably what everyone will think it is in the first place since it is confirmed to be in the game and beretta's have that distinct look of the slide,besides there's no reason to believe its some other gun since GTA's have tried to bring multiple weapons (AK's,AR's), instead of doing the COD thing and putting in several AR based ones, since they usually have a limited pool (like 3 in a category I believe) --Iceman (talk) 13:09, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
I was almost going to say it looked like a SIG552, but the straight-edge magazine (rather than curved) says otherwise. Laqueesha (talk) 02:32, 17 May 2013 (EDT)
I can almost guaranty that the handgun above is another Beretta. If you look closely you can see the exposed barrel from the cutaway slide and you can barely make out the step in at the end of the barrel which a characteristic shared among all 92-series handguns.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
That's a camera. Evil Tim (talk) 08:40, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
Yup camera 99% (since there is the same one in the SUV), seems that this game will sport gun customization at least color, the green Tavor,the green mini, and now the green shotty. --Iceman (talk) 09:26, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
I see a lot of influence from Heat. --DeltaOne (talk) 03:20, 8 May 2013 (EDT)
Yeah probably, but that is the trend in general with GTA's they put in references to movies and pop culture all the time. --Iceman (talk) 05:04, 8 May 2013 (EDT)
O yea, I know. This isn't my first GTA game by far. --DeltaOne (talk) 06:53, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
It's even right in the game, this time. According to an in-depth preview I watched on YouTube, Michael takes his ideas for heists directly from the game universe's versions of such movies. Spartan198 (talk) 07:30, 8 May 2013 (EDT)
So is rockstar going to release the preview cause, all I have found right now is people talking for an hour about it .--Iceman (talk) 04:50, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
They haven't released any public gameplay demos, no. At least none that I've seen yet. Spartan198 (talk) 06:20, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
As soon as they do, the media's going to be all over it. --DeltaOne (talk) 17:22, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
Here's a clearer picture of the pistol Franklin is holding in a previous screenshot.
Looks like some kind of cross between a Beretta and a Desert Eagle. It might be the "pistol .50" being offered as preorder DLC. Spartan198 (talk) 11:25, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
Seems like a different gun from the one in the above, I mean this probably is just a horrible DE, maybe work in progress, although GTA was never on top in weapons department. --Iceman (talk) 06:33, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
Go ahead and spot 'em. AgentGumby (talk) 11:58, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
Dammit, Rockstar, take my money already! At 3:15, I can see an AW-type sniper rifle, a multi-shot grenade launcher (it looks similar to the hybrid grenade launcher in Resident Evil Remake), and a roll of dynamite in the weapon wheel. Spartan198 (talk) 20:12, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
Is that seriously a rail on the side of the slide? DeltaOne (talk) 05:27, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Okay, I'm definitely not getting this game! Rockstar has always failed with the guns department (except in Max Payne 3), and that thing looks absolutely hideous. I'm done with the GTA series... Maybe when someone makes a skin mod for the guns, I'll get a copy... -.- --Warejaws (talk) 08:50, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Good. That leaves a copy for me. Chitoryu12 (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
As if there will not be enough copies to go around, eh? --Warejaws (talk) 15:56, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I always consider gun accuracy a +1 for me, incorrect weapon details isn't really much of a reason to not buy a game IMO (hell, I still got my copy of BO1). Again you are entitled to your opinion.Mr.Ice (talk) 11:06, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Well, look at MoH:WF, a game with accurate gun play but pretty mediocre everywhere else. Your opinion is yours, but what about Read Dead Redemption?AgentGumby (talk) 11:38, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Well don't get me wrong. I care about other elements besides gunplay such as gameplay and story. And as for RDR it was pretty accurate aside from a few minor mistakes.Mr.Ice (talk) 12:05, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Speaking of rails on the slide, it's been confirmed that we get weapon AND car customization to a pretty nice degree. Chitoryu12 (talk) 15:19, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Don't get me wrong, I always enjoy the stories and the messages Rockstar provides in their games. But I've never been a fan of the GTA-gunplay. I'll be going for Saints Row IV this fall, instead of this. At least they don't even TRY to make the game realistic, so the gunplay is WAAAAY over the top. But that just makes it fun. PS. I enjoyed MOH:W... well, to a certain degree.--Warejaws (talk) 15:56, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Has anyone considered that the pistol above could be a placeholder for something more real.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 15:40, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Its a possibility but given how we're two months away from release its unlikely.Mr.Ice (talk) 16:18, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
I don't think it is a placeholder, but I think there is a possibility that it is a bug where the wrong texture is on the model or it is using the low detail distance model or something, as there are several inconsistencies that make not sense. Firstly you have the fact that there is what appears to be a rail (which is scaled way too small) on the side of the slide. Then you have those weird horizontal black lines at the front of the slide and frame. Assuming that the black square at the back is meant to be the slide serrations, they span across both the slide and the top of the frame, which I have never seen on a real pistol. There are generally also lines all over the place on both the slide and frame which have no business being there on either a real gun, or a gun that is suggested by the silhouette of this. To top it off it also looks like it is ejecting rifle sized brass, but this is really the least of its problems. To me this gun looks so bad that it must be an error or something. It isn't just low detailed or simplified, or with random parts switched out for aesthetics, it actually appears deliberately FUBAR'd for no apparent reason. --commando552 (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
AR 15 reloading
Did anyone notice in the new gameplay video that when Franklin pulls the charging handle of his AR15, a empty shell falls ?
Does that means that his gun jammed, or Rockstar Games made a shell fall each time the charging handle is pulled ? Zebracherub (talk) 10 July 2013 (GMT)
Probably the latter. And sign your posts by typing four tildes after them. Spartan198 (talk) 00:32, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
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