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Talk:Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Fun Facts
Some bits of irrelevant trivia and goofs.
Obvious Stunt Doubles
Several times in the film, stunt doubles are seen used during some of the more extreme scenes. This was back before editors could digitally modify the stunt double's face to look like the actual actors. By converting the film to 1080p Digital DVD, these doubles become quite noticeable.
Goofs
Some of the notable goofs in the film.
To be fair, the Terminator is made of some super-metal. The knife could bend. - That would mean the guy doing the stabbing was strong enough to make the blade bend, which is, unlikely at best. --Sidewinder Forge 11:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Bah, a real knife would crack and break before bending like that, no matter how strong Arnie's construction or the fellow stabbing with it. StanTheMan 20:54, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
Payback
In the extended cut, Douglas (Ken Gibbel) hits Sarah in the stomach with his billy club so he can force feed her her medication. Gibbel didn't want to hurt Linda so he kept pulling the swing, but she had to fall to the ground on her knees the same every time. He did this so much, her knees got bruised up quite badly. If you watch the scene, it is clearly sped up for this exact reason. When Sarah escapes her cell, she breaks off a broom handle and uses it to hit Douglas repeatedly until he is unconscious. As payback for her bruised knees, every blow Linda inflicts on Gibbel is real and not pulled.
How It's Done
A few of the impressive special effects were achieved in unique ways shown here.
Familiar Scenery
The place under the bridge that the T-1000 arrives in the present from was later reused in another James Cameron film, True Lies, although they aren't the exact same spots. Strangely enough, the bridge is really in Washington D.C., which is accurately portrayed in True Lies. In T2 on the other hand, it takes place in Los Angeles.
Locked Up
Linda Hamilton was trained how to pick locks for the film and Linda refused to fake any of the lock picking when she escapes her cell. She actually picks the locks on her harness and the lock on the door.
Attack of the Tin Foil Man!
In some scenes, CGI was avoided to reduce strain on ILM's schedule and the actor wore a special "Tin Foil" suit so he would look like the liquid metal T-1000.
Not Really Nude
During the scene in which the Terminator enters the biker bar, completely naked from time travel, Arnold was obviously not going to go nude in this scene and instead wore some colorful shorts. How the extras could stifle their laughter is unknown.
Good Old Arnold
Some memorable moments from the "Governator".
The Convenience of Twins
Two sets of identical twins were used in the film to make certain scenes more convenient to shoot. The first twins were used in the mental hospital, the first playing Lewis the guard (Don Stanton) and his brother (Dan Stanton) playing the T-1000 clone. The second pair of twins were Linda Hamilton and her sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren, who worked together in several scenes, both playing Sarah Connor.
Speedy Robert
For any scene in which Edward Furlong had to ride his honda xr80r (dirtbike), a tow dragged him along to give the illusion he is driving. Director James Cameron mentions in the DVD commentary that the the guy driving the tow said he would be pulled out fast enough that Robert Patrick would not be able to catch him while running full speed. The driver underestimated him because when Robert started chasing him, he not only caught up with Eddie, he tapped him on the shoulder. Robert is an insanely fast runner.
- There are a couple of times in The X-Files where it is kinda obvious that Robert held back on his running speed or he'd have caught some guys and ended episodes early. T.H.M.Christensen
Polydichloric Euthynol
The name of the explosives used by the group to blow up Cyberdyne is a play on the hallucinogenic drug used in the Sean Connery sci-fi film Outland.
"The Four Horsemen"
This is just a cool shot. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are portrayed as four pieces of playground equipment.
The Deleted T-1000 Glitches
For some unknown reason, the original cut edited out all of the scenes in which the T-1000 shows signs of glitching after being frozen and shattered. These include:
The Spoof Pit
The "Molten" Steel pit in the steel mill, called "The Spoof Pit" by the crew, was composed of an unknown liquid illuminated by orange fluorescent lights with pieces of plastic floating in it to resemble authentic molten steel. It is used to destroy the T-1000 when he is knocked into the pit and the T-800 uses it to destroy himself with the help of Sarah. With the lights heating the liquid, it was actually pretty hot in the pit. Isn't it interesting how when the T-1000 falls into the pit, he is in extreme pain, yet when the T-800 is lowered in, he seems to feel perfectly content? A matter of perspective I guess.
Dedicated To Stan Winston
Stan Winston was one of the greatest special effects and animatronics designers in film history. He brought fictional creatures to life and made the impossible seem real, for which he has won four separate Academy Awards. His animatronics and costumes are some of the most famous in film history and include:
Sadly, Stan Winston passed away on June 15th, 2008. He may be gone but his creations will forever live on in film history as some of the most life-like and creative designs ever. Rest in peace Stan.
The following Stan Winston props are seen in T2:
Liquid Metal Squibs
Stan Winston invented special foil squibs meant to fold out like a flower to imitate a gunshot wound inflicted to the T-1000.
Blown Apart T-1000 head
Even animatronics with the smallest roles are heavily contributed to by Stan. This prop was built to show the T-1000 after his head is blown apart by a 10 Gauge slug. The head flaps even move around by control.
The T-800 Arm
The Terminator proves to Miles Dyson he is a machine by cutting off his living tissue and revealing his robotic arm inside. Stan Winston designed this arm and made it as controllable as a real hand. It was built by a contracted company in the midwest.
Lewis the Guard's Robotic Head
When the T-1000 copies Lewis the Guard and kills him by stabbing him through the eye, a robotic copy of his head was built to shake and allow the point to stab in and out.
T-800 Animatronic Dummy
Stan Winston built a copy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head to torso so squibs could be used on the head region and people would see the Terminator shot in the head. It was also used so the T-1000 could smash his head without killing or injuring Arnold. Because the dummy walked awkwardly, Arnold matched its walk so it would look less suspicious in the film.
The dummy greatly resembles the one used in the scene from the first Terminator where he removes the damaged eye tissue and starts wearing sunglasses.
T-1000 Blade Arm fold-out
The T-1000 kills the liquid nitrogen truck driver by stabbing him with his sharp arm. Stan Winston designed a blade to pop out of the clothes to achieve the look of his being impaled.
T-1000 Shotgun Head
When Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her Remington 870 folder, it leaves a large hole in his head, which is a prop by Stan Winston.
Frozen T-1000
Stan Winston designed a replica of the T-1000 frozen in liquid nitrogen that was built with a fiber glass shell with fragements inside. When "shot", primacord is used to shatter the shell and release the fragments. Since fiber glass is not as heavy as ice, a fan blew the fragments to the ground to give the prop a shattering effect.
Blown Up T-1000
When the T-1000 is blown up by a 40mm round, his exploded figure is a Stan Winston animatronic.
Discussion
SWAT leader played by Dean Norris
The SWAT team leader is played by a young, balding, Dean Norris who plays Hank the DEA Agent on Breaking Bad.
Technically
Even though Mail Call has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - Gunmaster45
- Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. Excalibur01 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If The Unit has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little "rough draft". No offense of course. - Gunmaster45
- Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. Excalibur01 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
From the 7th down on the 1887: "You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger" A terminator wouldn't need to worry about that. A machine would only pull the trigger when it was supposed to.
Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas.
The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the same year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.
Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM
- Doing it now :) - Gunmaster45
Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - Gunmaster45
- I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a Jurassic Park fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -MT2008 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - Gunmaster45
This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --Mauser 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --AdAstra2009 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -Predator20 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--Oliveira 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -Predator20 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --AdAstra2009 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --AdAstra2009 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--Mauser 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cut and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --AdAstra2009 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
40mm grenade arming ranges...
There are a couple of "families" of 40mm rounds. The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one. The only basic differences are the fuses used. The M381 uses a M552 point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms in 2 to 3 meters. In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters. The M386 and later rounds use the M551 fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.
Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one. 40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--"a sometimes" thing...
- Doesn't change the fact that in this film, Arnold's M79 fires grenades that explode within only a few feet of him at most, still obviously (if only barely) below arming range of even the older types. (Mainly the ones inside the Cyberdyne building) StanTheMan 19:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- Two to three meters is 6 to 9 feet... That's conversational distance in the Midwest... --00:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)~
How do you capture a Terminator?
Seriously, how are supposed to do it? In T3 a giant electromagnet is used to trap T-X, but once it's trapped, how do you reprogram it? You get near the magnet with any amount of metal and you are stuck. PS: If there are T-600, T-800, T-1000, and T-X terminators, are there T-200 and T-400 models too? Also, why can't the resistance get anything better than at T-800, and why is John Conner so important? He has a limited knowledge of weapons, no training in tactics, leadership, or anything else. Why not a Delta Force/SAS/Navy SEAL/insert name of elite fighting unit here person? OK, so it's a movie and its cool, but make no sense. On that note, why leave the M72 LAW rockets and M60 behind in the armory? An M72 would blow T-1000 to bits, hopeful far enough away that he couldn't re-form. The M60 would have been nice to shoot T-1000/ police cars with as well. An why not give John a flack jacket and AKM or MAC-10? Mandolin 04:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- Bah. Not to just blow you off here, but honestly, most of those questions are ones that are meant to be answered by other sites, and don't really have anything to do with the guns used in the films, much less this film. Your bigger fansites (Terminator Files immediately comes to mind) can answer all that better than we probably can (or care to for that matter).
But to give you some short answers, one, I'm sure the process of capturing/reprogramming a terminator is rather involved to put it lightly, and I'm not going to delve into hypotheticals here. Second, yes there are numerous models/units in the T-series. Third, probably because the T1000 and TX are the latest designs, and aren't even used in the future war, unlike the T800 Terminators which are used rather heavily it seems. Next, John Connor is the one that actually rallies humanity to fight back in the first place, you don't need to be a SEAL or Delta to do that (though I admit, that would help), not to say he couldn't have still gotten that kind of training or learned that kind of knowledge anyway.
As for your last questions, which actually are somewhat relevant - first off, I'm sure there's only so much they can carry on them, as well as in their vehicle. You have to remember, they were going to run, not take the T1000 and the police head on as it turned out. And I disagree, the Mini-Vulcan (Minigun) is/was an immensely better choice to shoot up the police cars, as we are shown in the film. And finally, John is supposed to live, at all costs - Giving him a weapon and letting him fight only risks him getting killed, and for no good reason.
And that's all you're getting from me for now. StanTheMan 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
According to some early literature, When the Resistance captured the time-displacement device form Skynet, they also found Terminators in storage. Using Experience from manipulating the T-800's chip in this film, they were able to do the same with the captured Terminators..
The third movie also explains a little more why John Connor is so important. He was supposed to have come to know the head of the department who created Skynet. So he would have known the most about Skynet at the time of Judgement Day. GaBoy45 03:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, by the time of Judgement Day Connor would have been just as well-trained as any SEAL (please ignore the charecter of T3, who is completely absurd). And secondly, a little more insight reveals that M72 LAW and the M60 are a little inferior. The Minigun is supposed to be the M134, firing the same round as the M60, but at a much higher rate. And while LAW may be able to bust tanks or T-800s, it's not meant for "blowing stuff up". It uses a High Explosive AntiTank warhead which creates a superheated jet of metal and punches through solid metal with ease, but it's not even supposed to create a lot of blast pressure or frag outside of a limited area. It would have left a clean hole in a T-1000, shocked it maybe, maybe disintegrated some of the polyalloy, but it would have taken a hundred HEATs yo blow away a polyalloy terminator. Simple high explosive, like the one used by the M79, can scatter it with much greater effect. If you want to compare the effect of HEAT against metal and polyalloy, consider what happenned when a Chinese RPG clone - firing a similar HEAT rocket - when it hit a T-X: polyalloy "heals" back, but the endoskeleton is damaged.
Trigger Safety Comment
He's a Terminator and wouldn't make the mistake of 'Accidentally' firing the Weapon.
- Comment has been removed. I had already removed some unnecessary comments, but missed that one.--Predator20 16:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Excellent work! We need to excise those snarky comments when we see them. I am SO GLAD that I can now show IMFDB to actors or crew from some of the shows in question and NOT worry about them seeing some sort of comment which is insulting ... to Them! :) MoviePropMaster2008 17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Guards Name
Just FYI, the pescadero Guard's name is Lewis. Just hoping someone could change that! GamerfreakB7 18:44, 7 April 2010
T2 Minigun "DROP"
That story about the T2 Minigun being dropped is obviously myth and lore. Look at the screencap of the Minigun being dropped. It is clearly a replica. On the actual prop there is a nub underneath the chainsaw grip from where they took off the carry-handle from the Predator version. It is completely absent in this screen cap. Furthermore if you look at the rear part of the Y-frame it has a protrusion on it that is not on the actual gun. There is a protrusion from where they removed the carry-handle on the real gun, but it looks different. I'm editing the page accordingly, because it is obviously not he same weapon. There is no wide shot of Arnold dropping the weapon, just the close up of them dropping the prop.
- I have to say that's quite interesting. I too noticed the dropped Minigun looked a bit different. Though the story with Arnold actually dropping the real Mini-Vulcan despite protests about damaging the weapon is quite believable.
And ID yourself next time! :P StanTheMan 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Some little edits
I took it upon myself to edit a few things, mostly the very few remaining spelling errors, since I'm re-reading the entire page.
I also replaced the standard 1911 thumbnail (On the Pescadero Guard) with one of a Nickel 1911, as the guard's gun is Nickel of course.
Also I edited this thumbnail text. The extra comment wasn't absolutely necessary, and I agree with the guy who remarked about the comment anyway.
Yeah, well, something tells me the SWAT team only gets called in when diplomacy has failed, and given that they'd already shot the place up pretty good, I think the SWAT team was justified in not asking for their honorable surrender. ~Cozmo
- Wow, so NOT true. SWAT teams are not execution squads. They're still cops. Even when they storm a place, they yell for people to throw down their weapons and lie on the ground. They are ready for a moment's notice to shoot anyone with a weapon who makes any sort of aggressive move, even inadvertently pointing it in their 'direction' is grounds for getting shot. The only time a shoot to kill order comes is for a sharpshooter or the perp is actively murdering hostages. In the context of the film, Sarah and the Terminator had already been listed as Most Wanted (by this time the authorities figured out (falsely) that Sarah was in league with the Terminator whom they linked to the previous massacre in 1984. So fugitives who had already 'murdered' 17 + cops would probably not get much of a warning when confronted with a SWAT team. Also the Terminator had already previously destroyed all the cop cars with a mini gun and M79. The cops would have considered that attempted murder (they don't care if you intentionally miss). So the gloves were off, but that was a circumstance SPECIFIC to the scene in the movie and not indicative of a SWAT team's role in general. MoviePropMaster2008
Otherwise a truly excellent page, probably the best on the site, I'd say.
Oh yeah, there were two lines of text stating the trivia was moved here, so I got rid of one of them as well.
Hope you enjoy the ride! StanTheMan 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Sarah's CAR-15 Laser?
Was hoping one of the experts here could tell me, I've been wondering for a while.
How is the laser on Sarah's CAR-15 mounted? It appears to be under the barrel, but I don't know how it fits.
Is it a custom mount? --94.168.135.188 01:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Looks like this kind of thing to me:
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--Sidewinder Forge 09:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Beretta firing sound effects in this film used in other films?
This is quite an interesting piece of movie trivia in case anyone is interested: The sound effects that are used when the T-1000 fires his Beretta 92FS and later the Browning Hi-Power pistol, were also used in another movie; The Iron Giant. In the climax of that film, one of the main characters fires an M1911 and the pistol sound effects are exactly the same ones used in this film for the Beretta and Browning pistols. If anyone else has heard the gunshot sound effects from this movie in other films after the release of this one, please share your knowledge, because I think it's rather interesting trivia. --ThatoneguyJosh 13:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Well post production sound is always added and sometimes the sound editor would have a lot of files of "generic" gun shots. Most of the time it's not even recorded production sounds like in Heat. So if a "gun shot" sounds the same from movie to movie, it's the edits after the movie is done where the sound was added in Excalibur01 22:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... that's interesting. Because I have heard the same gunshot sound effects in this movie being used in other films besides The Iron Giant, it's just that I kinda forgot the names of those films, sorry. But thanks for your response! --ThatoneguyJosh 13:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Bit Of Random Trivia
I don't know if anyone caught this, but right before the SWAT team open fires on Arnold when he's walking towards them, you can see a crew member that worked on the film walking in the background behind them. I don't have any way of grabbing of screenshot of the scene but its there. User:SeanWolf
Interesting Goof
In the film, the T-101 says that the T-1000 cannot form complex machines such as firearms, yet when the T-1000 transforms from John Connor's foster mother to the default cop form, you can see his Beretta 92FS appear holstered on his hip (though he never uses it again and acquires a Browning Hi-Power instead). Orca1 9904 02:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Not a goof - just cos it looks like a beretta doesn't mean it's a functional weapon, it just appears to be one as the T1000 would probably know that a cop with an empty holster would look odd. --Sidewinder Forge 20:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
- Could have just stored the gun inside the body.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Didn't he later loose the 92 and then picked up the Browning? Excalibur01 20:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- The Beretta was supposedly lost or destroyed during the aqueduct chase scene when the semi tow truck the T-1000 hijacked crashed and exploded. He then takes the Hi-Power from the fat guard he kills at the mental hospital. Orca1 9904 22:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
The T1000 lost the Beretta in the mall hallway after being shot with the shotgun. --Ben41 03:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- According to the Extreme DVD commentary, it has been stated that most simple and less complex objects (name tags, keys, etc.) are mimicked and he had to keep stealing police equipment and radios. This means that he probably stole another Beretta and a few police equipment prior to the death of John's foster parents. - Kenny99 04:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Considering he steals a motorcycle from a cop directly after the tow truck is destroyed. It stands to reason that he also took the officer's weapon. --Gau17 07:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, he steals another (empty) LAPD Caprice at the bridge immediately after the truck crash, as shown in a deleted scene. He is of course seen driving it to Pescedero. He acquires the bike afterward ('Say, that's a nice bike'). Still, I would agree about him perhaps mimicking a phony handgun (a non-working one of course, a prop you could say) and just taking another actual one as soon as it was able/convenient (In this case, Lewis' the guard's Hi-Power once he mimics him). StanTheMan 20:42, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
M41A Pulse Rifle Cameo
Finally got my hands on an HD copy of the film, and noticed this early on.
Looks to me like the M41A made a cameo in the opening tunnel scene. If anyone wants to add it to the main page, go right ahead. Swamples 21:09, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
- Sorry not the pulse rifle, but the same Ruger AC556 in the Bullpup configuration as seen in Total Recall (1990) --Ben41 22:37, 29 August 2012 (CDT)
- Yeah, that's not the Pulse Rifle, it's just another Ruger. If it's in the film at all it's so buried in the background I've never seen it.--Leigh Burne 02:36, 30 August 2012 (CDT)