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Talk:District B13
Moved Discussion of mystery rifle here
This is a Chinese type 56C weapon. The STG2000C does not have the dimples over the magazine nor a cleaning rod or bayonet under the barrel. Also, Chinese weapons have enclosed front sights. The STG2000C's front sight is more open than that.
- WRONG! again! The enclosed hood of the Chinese AKs are a completely different front sight than this gun. This gun is a combo front sight and gas block so it is a new design. Also the Romanian style folding stocks don't FIT on the Chinese guns, the dimensions are different. As I said before, this is the EUROPEAN version of the STG2000C (which is what the US IMPORTER calls the sporter version of this gun) that is imported in the U.S., except I don't know what the European gun is called.
Though one may think it is a German (formerly East German) Mpi-KMS-72 it is not, nor is it an AK104. It is the current European commercial variant of the Wieger STG-940. The STG-940 was built between 1980-1988. The 940 was the 7.62x39mm version and the 942 was the 5.56mm Version) This version is a heavily modified version of the new STG-2000. There is an American import model with a 16" barrel and a full stock. The European version of the STG-2000C has an m16 birdcage flash hider right in front of the gas block (12" Barrel) and an East German AK style side folding stock. The version in the film has removed the German Wieger fore-end (which made it difficult to identify) and replaced the M16 Style flash hider with a traditional AK muzzle nut. The movie gun's Wieger foregrip was replaced with traditional AK Black Synthetic foregrip furniture (which is non-standard on the Wieger commercial rifles).
OK. For all of you who may not be "into" AK 47 rifles and their variants, what you are looking at is a Romanian AIR. It's chambered in 5.56mm and is (was) Romania's answer to the Russian AKS-74U (Krinkov). I can see how someone would confuse it with a modified STG-941, but the front sight base of the two rifles are completely different.
- Okay then please explain WHY the gun in the photo has a 7.62x39mm magazine, or can you NOT see that it is a 7.62 mag by the curvature?
(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101) Yes, I can see the curvature. It looks like most of the magazines that I've used IN ACTUAL COMBAT over the past 37 years!
- Hurray! So what? You a Haji or something? I used STANAG mags when I got my CIB in ODS. Prior military experience with rifles OTHER than the one we're talking about doesn't prove anything. Besides I am positive I possess more AK variants than you've ever handled. MPM
(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101) But my eyesight and the magazine are not the topic here.
- Uh, yes, it should be. We're identifying an unknown rifle by what it looks like. Obvious errors like yours makes your statements suspect at best.
(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101) What you have labeled as the STG-940 is actually a Romanian AIR!
- Proof would be nice. Like I've stated before, this is an unknown rifle here in the U.S. so actually helping with proof is a good thing. Since (a) you're an ANONYMOUS user and (b) we get so much crap and erroneous information from tons of anonymous users all the time, forgive me if I don't jump down and accept everything you say without question. MPM2008
(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101) And the copies of the Weiger that are sold in the U.S. are nothing more than WASR-10 rifles with AIR gas blocks.
- Could be, the American crap clones are all we have to go on. Since there is precious little information about some of these funky European rifles ANYWHERE. We freely admit that these rifles are probably the original European variants of crappy American Clone rifles, but their nomenclature is nowhere to be found. MPM2008
(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101) By the way, there is no STG-940 in 7.62mm... IT DOESN'T EXIST!! 940 is the SERIES designation given to the Weiger rifles. The series went from 941 to 945 and they were only produced in 5.56mm.
- No Shit Sherlock! I already knew that. But the rifle LOOKS like an STG-40 chambered in 7.62mm which is why it is a mystery. We don't know if someone modified the 940 rifle or someone created a new line chambered for a different round. guess what? That info is not available either. Take a second and read what other people write instead of getting all high and mighty. MPM2008
(written by anonymous user (71.120.9.101) I get the feeling that you think that if you reprint what you've read and add enough "details", people will believe it... WRONG! Some of us have hand's on experience! Lima, Peru or BUST!!
- I get the feeling that you're an Idiot. Peru? What are you? Shining Path or what? Either give us useful information or get the hell out of here. MPM2008
- I guess he doesn't know you are a movie armorer and have been in the service before. A two-for-one in experiance points. Maybe if you ask around with some armorers who may know some of the french armorers you could find out more. Other than that I don't think I could be much help. - Gunmaster45
- I get the feeling that you're an Idiot. Peru? What are you? Shining Path or what? Either give us useful information or get the hell out of here. MPM2008
- I just watched this movie last night and my god it was awesome. I can't wait for the sequel to come in the mail from netflix-76.31.5.208 23:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
Is this the rifle that everyone was arguing about? The movie gun lacks the muzzle brake and has a different handguard, but most of the other details seem to match. Late Model AIMS Carbine (PM Md. 90)-Markit
- Thanks Markit, that is a very PROMISING candidate for the gun. Damn these obscure European AKs. No one has good info on a lot of them. I would LOVE to travel Europe and just photograph every AK variant currently being made by all the major players, including the ones intended for commercial sale. All my AK books deal only with the origins of the gun and the versions adopted by militaries around the world (with crappy pictures).MoviePropMaster2008 07:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)