Talk:"Seburo Firearms"

What's the point of this?

I mean, I've seen these fictional weapons in manga and anime, but they don't hold much merit since they are indeed not real. Though they might be based on some real world design, it isn't like any of them are futuristic dress up versions of firearms we know, just "what if" evolutions of firearms. Excalibur01 04:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I've seen them in TV shows... Do you just hate animation?

I wouldn't have made several anime pages if I HATE animation. I just think that these Seburo guns don't belong here. Excalibur01 08:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I DON'T think animation belongs, but these props have shown up in live action shows. A few of them were in Battlestar Galactica. --funkychinaman 23:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

let's delete this page. --AdAstra2009 22:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC

On what grounds? No rules are being broken here, as stated before, these fictional firearms are used in multiple shows, both live action and anime, and if I recall, IMFDB has an ENTIRE index of fictional firearms. -- K 98.118.59.151 23:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Alot of them are just a shell around a real gun.--FIVETWOSEVEN 23:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

If they're from Japan, I highly doubt it's built around a real gun. --funkychinaman 23:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It's been several months now since the new rules that points out no fictional guns unless they were built from real world guns. Yes, all these guns do look awesome in the Anime they were featured in, but I think it's time to face the fact that they are not real world guns and should be deleted from the site Excalibur01 18:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

If firearms from Halo are not permitted to be on IMFDB I see no reason for this page to exist. There is no difference between the firearms on this page and the ones in Halo. --AdAstra2009 01:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Normally, I'd agree, but one of them was used as a prop gun in a legitimate live action production. If someone used a replica of a Halo Battle Rifle or Assault Rifle as a prop gun in a legit live action production, I'd argue for the same thing. Ultimately, isn't the point of this site prop guns? --funkychinaman 03:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Not really. This site isn't about mock guns. I've been very adamant on the fact that if it is fictional, it shouldn't be here. So what a "prop" non firing replica was used in BSG, but unless it fired a shot, it really doesnt count except for the actual BSG page Excalibur01 05:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Do Not Delete

While they are not built around live-fire weapons, they are built around 1:1 scale replicas (usually airsoft, but occasionally around good-old-fashioned models) of real firearms. Not all fictional weapons listed are built around real guns (the Holy Shotgun and the EM-1 come to mind).

Not to mention that this page complies perfectly with IMFDB standards for fictional firearms:

* They can't be just talked about, they must appear on screen.

This obviously applies. There are several variants which I have removed from this page during its revamp that did not appear. All of the ones still here get screen time at some point or another.

* If they are fictional weapons built upon a real firearm (as in Red Heat or Starship Troopers) For example, all of the blaster weapons (either rebel or Imperial) in the Star Wars films that are built on real gun platforms, qualify to be here on this list.

Once again, the actual props for these are built on scale replicas instead of actual weapons, but seeing model guns on screen is not uncommon.

* If they are fictional / hypothetical weapons which may exist in real life but (so far does not).

All of the Seburo designs are very feasable. If FN, H&K, etc. wanted to, they could easily produce most (if not all) of these weapons.

* If the weapon (for any reason) would lead the general public to believe that it is a real firearms or based on one.

As most of these appear in the Ghost in the Shell franchise next to firearms that actually exist, it's not hard to imagine someone making this mistake. With weapons like the P90 and QBZ-95 becoming more and more well known, the CZN-M22 seems less unusual every day.

*Fantasy weapons which have no basis in real weapons technology do not belong here. So a Force Lance from "Andromeda" or a Klingon Disruptor from "Star Trek" or a Light Sabre from "Star Wars" do not qualify. No one would ever wonder if these weapons really exist today.

No frikin' lazor beamz here. Just very fancy ballistic weapons.

* They must have some obvious screentime. A small blip in the deep background of a mass army scene won't count.

Once again, special mention goes to the CZN-M22 and the C26A.

The only real difference between these weapons and the other fictional weapons that have their own page is that this page lists more than one gun for the sake of simplicity. I will also be making a page for New Dominion Tank Police soon, which features several Seburo weapons (at least MN-23 and M10 so far) along side TMPs, MAC-11s and M1911s.

--PistolJunkie 00:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)