User talk:Anonymous

Please stop changing the page formats, since I made the pages, I have the write to keep it in my prefered format. I personally find that listing ugly and cumbersome. If you make your own pages, do as you please but stop changing pages. If you continue to do it, I will be forced to block you. - Gunmaster45

Thanks for being cooperative. - Gunmaster45

To be fair, I messaged you after I found Mr & Mrs Smith and Shoot 'Em Up both changed back for a second time, so I figured I'd message you. I was a little harsh and I apoligize, I just got annoyed I had to change stuff back again. Sorry and thanks again. - Gunmaster45

To add images from an online source, you first right click the image and select "Save Image As". It will save the image in your computer's files, you select how to store these images however you please. If required, open the image in a photo editing system and convert it to jpg, the prefered file name. Save the image with a name that is relevant to the image but unique so it won't save over any other images. Go to "Upload file" on the left and click browse when you reach the screen. Your computer's saved files will pop up and you select the image you saved. Write a description for the image in "Summary" section if you want. The image will upload and you will see both the image and a link name above it saying something along the lines of of "Image:example.jpg". Copy and paste that on the page you wish and you have successfuly uploaded an image. Good luck, hope I didn't make it too hard to understand. - Gunmaster45

You need a DVD player installed on your computer and a playing system that either allows you to take captures pressing the "Print Scrn SysRq" button or a player that has a screencapping function (like mine). Without these you cannot screencap. - Gunmaster45

Or you can use VLC Media Player.-Oliveira 12:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

VLC Media Player

You can download the son-of-a-bitch here:

The VLC page.

Just be sure to change the image format from PNG. to JPG. Also, VLC Media Player let's you watch movies in Slow Motion and Fast Foward. Really useful for screencapping.-Oliveira 16:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't help you on why the screencaps are so damn small, but for future reference, ALWAYS crop off the black bars. Just because some users do it (whether they should or not), it is prefered you don't keep the black bars.

Payback

Check the page again, I just moved the Beretta 92FS entry higher up on the page, because I personally feel the protagonist's guns should go at the top of the list. BTW, never just refer to the gun a a "Beretta 92", look at the Beretta page and you'll see why. The 92 is a specific model, as is the 92S, 92SB, 92F, and 92FS. - Gunmaster45

Okay, sorry for the confusion. If it happens again, expect the same results. - Gunmaster45

Once again, check the page again, I re-added it again as the Model 49 "Bodyguard" (the steel version, as the 38 is the aluminum version). I told you if I redo what I did before it's because I'm simply repositioning it on the page. - Gunmaster45

It's okay, just have faith in me. I know what I'm doing. - Gunmaster45

I removed the comment on the PPK pic because I thought I'd point out the PPK has no slide release, so the only way the slide would have gone down was if she removed the magazine and pulled the slide back to release it, in which case she would have known the gun was empty and reloaded. The follower on her magazine could have been shaved down, but it is probably safer to assume the film makers didn't know better. - Gunmaster45

I apologize for removing your comments, it was kind of lazy on my behalf as I should have turned them into a caption instead of remove them entirely. I didn't mean to cut up one of your favorite films, but you have to admit, they goof up on a lot of things. I just like commenting on them. - Gunmaster45

Template

I'd assume that would be the procedure, so if you have free time and know how to properly do it, feel free to use this new template on old pages. If you need guidance go to Test Template Page and copy & paste what you can't remember. - Gunmaster45

Oh. I personally am a little iffy on the new format (on actor pages with a ton of guns credited, the box can clutter up) but I'm outnumbered on people who love it, so I'm trying to get used to it. It appears to be the new format standards so I'm afraid it will likely stay. - Gunmaster45

Well this format isn't being applied to Movie, Television, Anime, or Video Game articles, only gun and actor pages. Most people don't really care about them, since they are a smaller effort than articles, so a lot of people don't share the same concern. - Gunmaster45

King of the Hill

That pages in now gone as there was no info on it. Thanks -Phoenixent

Animated Pages

When I know I'll tell you, but what is considered "site-worthy" is still up to debate among some users. - Gunmaster45

Ads

At first Bunni, the guy who runs the site, used gun ads from various sponsors, but now he is using google ads apparently. Google ads cost no money for him to use yet he still makes money, at the cost of him not choosing what is sponsored. So only the google ads are randomly selected. - Gunmaster45

Smith & Wesson hammers

To be honest, I'm not sure. I've seen the newest stainless S&Ws today that still have the that style hammer, so it is possible they still haven't adopted the design yet. - Gunmaster45

Re: 1911 adaptation

The 1911 pistols used in the early films fall into three categories. (1) 1911 used strictly as a hand prop has in waving it around or in a holster. (2) Fired live on set. This is something that was done in the 1920's and 1930's just prior to blank adapting. The scene would be of shooting a door or car trunk lid by the actor. (3) 1911 lookalikes which were a cast aluminum clam shell that looked like a 1911 but held a Colt Detective Special of Iver Johnson revolvers. These we used from 1930's to the early 1960's since the 1911 pistols could not fire more than one round. In most of your early films the autos used were the Colt 1903 Hammerless or another pistol that was similar. The reason for this was they are a direct blowback design so they were easy to convert to blanks. The 1911 is a delayed blowback design since the barrel is not fixed it cams up and down. The armories had to figure out how to get this to work with blanks. It took several different armorers 30 years to develop the blanks and the blank conversion to work in the 45 caliber 1911. The film industry was able to use the Star Model B as a stand in for the 1911 from the 1950's until 1970's and the 9mm was easier to convert than the 45 auto. As for how the 1911 are converted I can not pass on that information since I still work in the industry. But you can find other conversions online used by reenactors which are close. -Phoenixent 07:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Early Blank Adaption and Live Fire

The early films using Maxim or Vickers firing used blanks also but not the blanks we use today. The blanks used in the early movies were military blanks that had either a wood or paper bullet. The blank adapter on both the Maxim and the Vickers was designed to shred the wood or paper bullets. But by using those types of blanks the weapon would work as intended. It was not until the use of wadded or crimped blank that the weapons had to be redesigned to function properly as there was no pressure build up like the blanks with the wooden bullets. The live rounds fired on set in the early days were standard rounds. Most of the time they would have a expert shooter off camera firing toward the actors location right after they moved. You can spot this in early westerns when a bullet strikes a sign it's a bullet hole and not a squib hit. It is harder to spot these in the early gangster movies but they are there also. The use of blanks came became a standard on set after a incident on a Cagney movie after that movie no live fire were allowed on set. - Phoenixent 08:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Put this on Gunmaster's talk page, but I'll put it on yours too.

I disagree entirely with your idea that flagging useless articles for deletion is wrong when they're new. There's no excuse whatsoever for dumping trash pages on the site, and the only thing that will discourage it is if it's speedily removed; even if 'many people' do this [and I'd dispute that], we should make it clear this is not how articles should be constructed; a page with no useful information, no effort put into formatting and no screenshots is pointless, and hoping a turd will turn into a diamond if you leave it alone will soon get you a backyard full of turds.

Anyone can take the time and effort to write up an article to an acceptable standard in a word processor before posting it; anyone who does not is going to have their article removed. Your actions of trying to get these pages up to a standard where they are not instantly deleted are laudable, but misguided; you shouldn't be jumping to help out people who won't put the effort in themselves, you should be working on your own projects. We don't want people coming to the site with the mentality that they can put no effort at all into a page because someone else will fix it for them later, because that essentially makes us servants running around after lazy idiots. Vangelis 00:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, the incomplete tag is for finding incomplete pages [it puts them into category:incomplete, so anyone who can't think of anything to do can check the list to see what needs doing], and should be placed on any obviously incomplete page regardless of age. I don't see what being new has to do with that template at all. If someone doesn't want it on their new article, their new article should perhaps try not being obviously unfinished. Vangelis 01:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Tim's got it right, I agree entirely. And at the very least, if someone makes a page with nothing on it but plans to later expand on it themselves, they can leave a note at the top of the page or in the discussion saying they will complete the page later. I've done that myself before. - Gunmaster45

• In reply to your comment: the noeffort template does specifically note that not all users are capable of taking their own screenshots [though that doesn't stop them using Google] and that isn't reason in itself for using it; when I said no screenshots in replying to you I meant to say no images; no gun images, no poster, nothing. In that they're being used more frequently, the deletion templates have only existed since the third, so you didn't see them used before that because they weren't around to be used at all. Vangelis 04:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Payback

Damn it, I'm protecting that page! It is definately a Model 27, you can see when Porter points the gun the diameter of the barrel and cylinders is .357, not .44 Mag, which is way bigger. And yes, the PPK has a last round hold open because of the follower on the magazine. You just have to release it by pulling it and letting it fly when you reload. - Gunmaster45

I was just mad in general, not mad at you. Checking the discussion section, Jcordel made the edit, and he knows his shit on revolvers. In the end, I think both are used, and jump back and forth in continuity error. - Gunmaster45

Lock 'n Load

I wasn't sure what the pistol was, but I figured based on the era, it was the 1898 Colt. I'd assume it is in .38 Long Colt, since he tells the story of the soldiers in the Philipines not being able to take down crazed soldiers, which the round was infamous for.

As for the Beretta, the original Beretta 92 was introduced in 1975. Then came the 92S. Then in the early 80s came the 92SB, then the 92SB-F (known better as the 92F), and then the 92FS. That's why it pisses me off when people just say a pistol that is obviously a 92FS is a 92. It's ignorant. Anyway, I was more bugged he said the magazines hold 20 rounds, when the standard issue M9 mag holds 15. - Gunmaster45

locked pages

Pages are locked to SysOps only when there are just too many idiots who happen to register (and thus are not anonymous) but who still mess with the page. Messing with page, includes constantly changing formats or information back and forth, even when SysOps tell them to knock it off, makes for pages being locked. Also you don't have to add another shot of Kang, there are enough already. Feel free to add screenshots to other pages, but pages that have already been attacked so often that Sysops are fed up and locked them, are probably not good to try to edit. If you have a change that you feel has been overlooked, then by all means contact one of us and we'll make the change. If it's just added on more screencaps, this may not be seen as a necessity. MoviePropMaster2008 09:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

RE

No problem on the comment removal.--Predator20 22:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Site Activity

I haven't been active on the site for quite some time. I have lots of screencaps saved for tons of movies but have been super swamped to the max and haven't gotten around to uploading. When I finally have a good amount of free time I'll get working on here again. - Gunmaster45

Gun images

One of the problems is that we're trying to cut down on the number of jacked gun images. If there is an obvious variant on a movie page that is missing, people have tracked down and googled an image as a placeholder which is acceptable, but to put every variant on a page whether it appears in a movie, tv show, Anime or VG or not is not acceptable. Sometimes we accept an image, if there is a strong possibility that it will or has appeared in something, yet to be 'honored' with a page, but IMFDB established a while ago (well at least the Mods started to) discourage people from uploading endless variants or versions of guns that have NOT appeared in anything. Remember that it is okay to upload a different variant ONCE it has appeared, thus needs an image. If it has no associated pages then it will get deleted in one of our maintenance sweeps (which usually happens about twice a year). As you well know, I photograph many of the guns that appear here. They are obviously licensed to IMFDB without question, but technically members who jack pics from other sites, don't own or have rights to the image. Security Arms, Guns of the World and Wikipedia (despite having varying degrees of quality in their images) all secured PERMISSION to use their gun pics. IMFDB is turning into one of the most egregious violators of gun image copyright on the net and that gets me nervous. We're in a grey area regarding screencaps since they are not being used for commercial usage or for a fan site, nor are we sharing anything via 'torrent' etc. etc. They are images taken for 'scholarly' or 'journalistic' purposes being that our pages are technically information articles about those movies, tv shows, etc. Writing an article ABOUT those things requires the screencaps for proof or 'analysis' if we are not sure. No one has ever bashed us for the legality of the screencaps, but we have been criticized for jacking gun images, sometimes from the copyright holders of those images. Hope this helps. MoviePropMaster2008 09:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

S&W hammer

I'll get your answer to you soon. I forget the name, but Smith adopted it's safety mechanism in 1945. More info coming later. Have to get my copy of the Standard Catalog of S&W (3rd edition)--Jcordell 04:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

S&W safety

Okay here we go. I was wrong first of all about the new design dating from 1945. The new safety was introduced in September of 1944. In 1944 a sailor in the U.S. Navy was killed when his Victory Model 38 special revolver (wartime M&P) was dropped onto the deck of a ship and it fired.S&W redesigned the safety at the request of the U.S. Navy.

The old safety was a shoulder on the rebound slide forced against a shoulder on the hammer. These shoulders kept the hammer nose off the cartridge in the down position. But enough force could shear the hammer pivot and hammer nose would strike the primer.

The new design was the "slide action hammer block" which placed a sliding arm between the hammer face and the frame unless the hammer was properly pulled to the rear. This was the safety S&W used until 1997 when the company switched to MIM hammers and triggers and CNC machinery. At that time they introduced the flat faced hammer and the floating firing pin.This is the design that S&W has used for the past twelve years. This info was obtained from the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson 3rd Edition. Is this what you were looking for? Let me know one way or the other. --Jcordell 22:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Glad to help. I know it drives me nuts when I can't find any info about a question I have regarding a gun. --Jcordell 22:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

RE: S&W 4500

Yeah, sure, I think that's a good idea. I mean, we already combined the 5900 and 6900 variants onto single pages, so I guess it makes sense to do the same with the 4500 series. Feel free. -MT2008 15:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

REMOVAL of all content from SOME S&W Auto pages

I just banned an IP address (person did not log in as user Anonymous) for wholesale removal of data from three S&W pages. That is NOT the way to do it. If this is YOU (i.e. Anonymous User), I will lift the ban, but you CREATE the new page first and then cut & paste the old data AND then put a note at the TOP of the old page explaining what you did and ask a MOD to clear and delete the page. Suddenly BLANK Pages by unknown IP addresses usually AUTOMATICALLY put up a big red flag. If that is you, ALWAYS log in before you do stuff like that. Unknown IP address get automatically banned for that. MoviePropMaster2008 18:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC) PS I already made a note to MT2008. Such changes have to be done a certain way or else the OTHER MODS will take action.

Thanks for the update, but if you notice, SOMEBODY (some anonymous user who did not log in and thus was only visible via IP address) wiped out the pages. Perhaps someone else was trying to help you and forgot to log in when they wiped out those pages. Sorry. It was natural to assume that you may have wiped them out since you were merging those pages. If you didn't that's a bit disturbing because it means someone ELSE was wiping out the pages. Oh well, I figure it was another IMFDB user who was trying to assist. As you already know, the best way is to either ask a MOD to do it right away, or you CAN blank a page as long as you put in a sentence saying what you did and where the info went and request a page delete. ("Hi, I blanked this page, because it's all merged onto this page _ _ _ _ _ ). This helps us shut out anonymous vandals. I don't know how long you have been a member, but anonymous vandals routinely wipe out pages, or at least they were until the last couple of months, and we Mods routinely ban them, so that would be our knee jerk reaction based on the history of IMFDB :) MoviePropMaster2008 04:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Animated stuff

I'm not the admin who banned down Animation, I just codified it into the Rules because the other Admins banned it. It's a slippery slope, extending the concept of 'gun' to poorly drawn crap in many cases. Too many OTHER members tried to push the edge of the boundary for acceptable content all the time and it got irritating. I admit your examples are good drawings of real guns, But I'm not a sympathetic ear to that sort of arguement. Being a real life armorer, I deal with real guns that exist physically. I have no use for guns which essentially come from the imagination of an artist or a fanboy game programmer. Whether it be based on a real life weapon or not, it does not literally exist, except as artwork. If it were up to me, I would have eliminated the Anime and VG categories long ago (but I can't so I didn't). Because of the VG category we are stuck with tons and TONS of prototype weapons (in the guns section) which have never seen the light of day in the real world, just because some VG CGI artist/programmer 'thought it was cool'. Guns in MOVIES is actual Cinema history. Guns in Video games is nothing, except a place for fanboys to argue what they think the artist was thinking when he drew a hybrid gun. But that's my bias. IMFDB allows VGs so I don't argue with it. Back to your point, if other admins like the fact that Archer uses pretty good drawings of guns, I won't delete it, but it WOULD be an exception to the rules, which is possible. MoviePropMaster2008 21:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Actor's Pages

Thanks for helping out with the actor's pages. Just one minor note: could you use the new table format like on the Robert Urich page? --Ben41 02:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Creating an Actor Page

Here's some steps to creating a new page in the new format:

1. Go to an actor page already modified such as Chris Evans (if the actor only has done films) or Robert Urich (if the actor has done movies and TV) and go into the edit page.

2. Copy and paste the entire edit into the new page.

3. Replace the actor's name and picture and then gun information to reflect the actor.

4. Preview to make sure the format is correct before saving.

--Ben41 02:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Assault rifles

I agree. Distinguishing between the Assault Rifle and the Rifle, though most of us know the difference, creates an opportunity for the anti gunners to make political hay out of the fact that they are different, when for all intents and purposes, they are not. There are many rifles which break the mold. If an Assault Rifle is a select Fire intermediate cartridge long gun for battle use AND a main battle rifle is any rifle whether bolt action or semi or full auto that fire a full sized cartridge and is the primary long gun of a military, then guns like the SKS, the M14, the AR10, the Ruger Mini-14 all break that mold. I agree. I prefer the generic category RIFLE. We should not separate it into assault rifle. If that were so then we would have to break out the SKSs from the AKs. And then we would have to break out the Semi auto only civilian rifles from the full auto Military rifles (to be fair). MoviePropMaster2008 05:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Assault rifle change

Post it as a new thread in the forum. I will respond that I concur. I just want the membership to have a chance to air their opinions. If it seems that most everyone agrees, than ANY change to the site can be countered with "It has been approved by IMFDB".  :) Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 05:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The Way of the Gun

The problem is that the user who changed the page was WRONG! So I am deleting the talk page he created for The Way of the Gun.MoviePropMaster2008 05:35, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

S&W M&P/M10 vs. Colt Official Police

Wow talk about a loaded topic. Thanks for the compliment by the way. Not sure if I've earned such a great title, but thanks. Okay in the twenties and thirties many considered the Official Police (OP) to be stronger than the M&P. Didn't become the Model 10 until 1957 when Smith & wesson numbered the various models. Colt's steel was higher quality than S&W back then. Many consider that Colt's metallurgy was superior to it's competition into the seventies. But of course that makes for a more expensive product.

The action of the OP is the same action as the Python. It required more hand fitting which added to the expense of Colt revolvers. Smith's action didn't require as much fine tuning and could be turned out faster and more economically. Therefore a lot of folks went with S&W becasue they were more affordable. Not cheap mind you. And while S&W steel might not have been as strong as Colt's it was strong enough for most people and cops.

Also back then S&W was more affordable because S&W was the "other guy". Kind of like what Ruger was doing in the sixties and seventies.

I own a S&W M&P that was made in 1913. It's a sweet little revolver and the quality of workmanship is impressive. Especially whne you consider that the M&P was a mid-line revolver.

There were endless debates as to the rotation of S&W cylinders vs. Colt. Colt cylinder go clockwise and S&W go counter-clockwise. Actually there are those who still debate that,but since Colt no longer makes revolvers most people don't care.

Well I could go on and on, but in the long run both were excellent revolvers. i don't believe one was really superior to the other. Thjey both had their good points and their weaknesses. Cost probably had alot to do with selection. Oh and the M&P was a little lighter by a couple ounces to the OP. Doesen't sound like much, but when you carry a handgun for ten - twelve hours every little bit helps.

Does this help? Becasue you'll never get a definite answer. Not if the person you are talking to is being fair and balanced. --Jcordell 21:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)