Talk:24

FBI Agent Renee Walker's sidearm

Can someone clear this up?

Is Renee Walker's sidearm Glock 23 or Glock 17? (I think someone actually listed her sidearm at Glock 17 in the Glock page).

Thanks in advance.

Agent Walker's sidearm is a compact model she doe's not use a Glock 17. She is either using a Glock 23 or Glock 19 I'm still confirming the caliber once I look at the bore of the barrel you could just leave the Glock page blank of all 24 activity until I finish rescreencapping Season 7. However I still estimate I'll be done with Season 7 within 2 weeks.

Whoever keeps changing this back to a Glock 23 is wrong in episode 3 you can look at the barrel of it it is clearly a 9mm not 40 cal thus making it a Glock 19 not a Glock 23. Plus look at Annie Wershing hands they couldn't handle a 40.

If the actress is using blank ammunition it does not matter whether her hands can handle the recoil of the firearm. Since January 1998, all new agents are trained on the 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 22 pistols, with the smaller 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 23 for those who prefer it. The ultra-compact 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 27 is authorized as concealed backup. Older agents continue to field their SIG-Sauer pistols, if they wish, and even new agents can switch to the 9×19mm guns if they qualify with them. Until Season 7 is finished please post all comments on the discussions page and wait for confirmation from the screencaps.

You're thinking about it the wrong way. This is a TV show, not real life. Just because the FBI uses the Glock 22/23 in real life doesn't mean the same is true in this show. The Secret Service agents in this show use SIG P228s instead of 299R DAKs (their current real-life issue).

In Hollywood, most of the semi-auto pistols used are 9mms, because there was a time when gunsmiths in the industry found this caliber to be the most reliable with blanks. Armorers didn't start using newer calibers until fairly recently. When in doubt, we tend to assume a pistol used in a movie is a 9mm, and it's a safe bet here. If the armorer who worked on this show cared THAT much about realism, then they probably would have given the USSS agents the correct sidearm. That they didn't makes me pretty sure that Agent Walker's Glock is probably a 9mm G19. -MT2008

Live Free or Die Hard Armorer

Aside from the gun calibers has anybody noticed that this show uses the same guns as Live Free or Die Hard? I'm now thinking that if this is the same armorer that supplied Die Hard 4 and since gunmaster has identified the Glock 22's it's not so hard to believe that 24 may also be using .40S&W compatible firearms. I've only realized this since season 5.

This show does not use the same weapons as Live Free or Die Hard. The weapons for that movie were rented mostly from Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry. I'm pretty sure that 24's weapons come mostly from Independent Studio Services (or at least, they did in the 7th season). Anyway, I've told you before: Unless you have some way of confirming it, you should assume that the Glocks in the show are 9mms. If the propmaster that worked on the show was going for realism (meaning, the correct Glock model for the FBI), then why did they use SIG P228s, which in real life are not used by the Secret Service anymore? -MT2008

Yes I already know about that I just realized that after the 5th season of 24. It has had 13/21 weapons used by Live Free or Die Hard including 2 rare models that are just not seen very much on IMFDB. Especially the Beretta 92G Elite 1A used in Season 7. It was just interesting thing I couldn't get off my head. Thanks for clearing it up I have never heard of Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry before.

Breaking up page by Seasons

How do people feel about breaking up this page by Season (much like Miami Vice)? Being that this show will be beginning its 8th season soon, it might be the time. --Ben41 23:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I support the idea very much. If this page gets polished in near future, 8 seasons worth of guns and screencaps is going to be a bitch to read. - AlkoTanko

Perhaps when someone gets more guns caps. A lot of the guns don't have screen caps Excalibur01

At the moment, seasons 1 and 7 could probably have their own separate pages, but the rest of the seasons are incomplete. --Markit 19:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I own seasons 1-4 so I may start screencapping sometime, however at the moment I'm kinda swamped with schoolwork. --Lews 04:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking about doing a re-vamp of Season 1 (though I'm trying to squeeze that and Chuck onto my plate). When I do, I'll probably take it out and make it into its own page. -MT2008 20:23, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Well I just finished screencapping Season 2, and I think that's pretty much ready to be seperated, and I should be able to start on Season 3 withing a few days. Season 7 is also definitely ready, and I do agree that Season 1 is in need of a bit of a re-vamp. While I'm here, anyone noticed anything I've missed with Season 2? Might as well finish it off while I'm at it... -- BillBuchanan24 16:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Both Tony and Yusef have Beretta 92FS Inox pistols, Jack gives Kate a Beretta 9000s when they're leaving the warehouse with that Coral Snake guy, The Coral Snake guy had a 1911 pistol along with his uzi, and Kingsley used a pistol in an attempt to kill Jack around the end of the finale, that's all I can think of. --Pølaris 03:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Pølaris! I'll screencap those now... Looking at it now, might need a little help ID'ing Wallace's 1911... Don't seem to be too many clear frames... Thanks again mate.

Kingsley used a Walther P99.

Season 7 glock 19

For some reason, the following screencaps are missing, so I'm putting them here until someone can reupload. --Ben41 10:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

[Image:Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 - .9mm]]

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Jack orders the Agents to put their weapons down while aiming Renee's Glock 23 at the guard in episode 3.

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Jack aims the Glock 23 at Larry in episode 3.

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FBI Agents close in on Jack and Tony's location with their Glock 23's drawn in episode 3.

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Sean shoots himself in the arm and throws a Glock 23 at Erika's body in episode 10.

There are no missing screencaps the real links are named Glock 23 after the "24S7E3". Not Glock 19. 5 weeks ago a anonymous user kept on changing the Glock 23 pictures and title to a Glock 19. I posted a message on his IP Address (not that he ever received it) to stop changing the title and pictures. He changed all the the links including the picture names to "Glock 19". Until I am finished screencapping Season 7 probably until late January nobody should edit Season 7. Based on his lack of editing skills and not checking his work I assume his experience is insufficient. I do not want to ban 24 off limits to anonymous users because there have been some great help in identifying firearms. If you can please ban IP Address 68.53.41.248! --HKFan 12:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the links. Someone needs to move them back to the main page, I'm not sure where they need to go. --Predator20 21:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Bazahaev's shotgun

Does anybody know what kind of shotgun Sergei used on jack? it had a folding stock SPAS 12 style but the action was all wrong. 65.29.239.251 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

My guess is a Remington 870 with folding stock and extended magazine tube. --Crazycrankle 14:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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Remington 870 Police Folder with extended magazine tube - stock extended - 12 gauge

No, I'm pretty sure it was a SPAS 12. For some reason, Bazahaev chose to cycle it manually. The episode is on Hulu right now if someone want to check it out. --Funkychinaman 21:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm siding with Crazycrankle on this one. The stock did look like it came off of a SPAS-12, but the rest of the gun looked nothing like a Spas to me. --Clutch 21:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I uploaded two screenshots I grabbed from Hulu. (I hope that's okay from a legal standpoint. If it's not, I apologize.)It's a bit dark, and the images are a bit blurry, but I'm not really sure anymore. --Funkychinaman 23:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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Notice the differences/similarities. Looks like a SPAS-12 stock, and a 870 everything else. The whole design of the SPAS-12 is rather unique in my mind, this looks rather generic. The images are rather low quality, apologies. --Crazycrankle 05:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

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Franchi SPAS-12

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Remington 870

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Weapon in question.

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Weapon in question.

...But ...That doesn't even look close to a SPAS-12 stock. It has neither the squared-off buttpad, nor the holes in the sides of the strut. It looks like a run-o'-the-mill 870 Police folding stock...--PistolJunkie 05:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I was looking at the top of the stock, not the sides. Oops, but oh well. Unmodified 870 folder it is. --Crazycrankle 05:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow, those shots are pretty clear. Well, that clinches it. Remington 870 it is. --Funkychinaman 05:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Can somebody add those pictures to the article, secttion where he uses the gun.

Sergei's guard

One of the guards that kidnapped Jack had what looked like an HK MP5k, but I never saw a paddle mag release so i'm thinking SP89 mocked up? 65.29.239.251 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

S8 - 1am - 2am

Just watched this episode.

A Small Pistol was hidden in a car along with a handcuff key.

Saw a CTU Agent forced to give up his Glock, standard size model.

Other CTU Agents carried what looked like M933 with foregrips and c-more sights.

Looked like Terrorists were using a similar weapon to the M933.

The small pistol; looks to be a PPK, and their not 933's, just standard M4's. Glock 17's appear to be CTU standard issue so it's safe to assume that's what it was. --Crazycrankle 23:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Since when do terrorists use M4s?, they look more like HK416s to me. If they were using M4s, there would have been a report of those assault rifles being stolen from police, FBI, SWAT, CTU etc.

You think they care that much in this show? This is the same show that had them tracking a nuclear missle only to lose it somewhere "in the mountains of iowa"

Coral Snake commandoes are basically a corrupt US army group and M4s were issued to them.

Kiefer Sutherland

How come they never give Kiefer Sutherland any action movies with drama in it?

Maybe he's not a good actor? My only problem with Kiefer is that after 7 seasons of firing guns, he still flinches all the time.--Pølaris 03:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

As we've explained before, blanks have far more flash than live rounds. It's pretty hard not to flinch. -MT2008 14:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I noticed his blinking during the first few episodes of this season. I think it has more to do with the loud bang than the muzzle flash. They can't wear a big set of ear muffs, so they have to wear small plugs that barely muffle the sound. Also blinking is different than flinching. Flinching is when you close your eyes before you even fire, at least that's the way I see it. --Predator20 16:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I had no idea blanks produced a bigger flash.--

Pølaris 17:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC) It's my understanding the reason for the bigger flash is to allow the camera to catch the flash in the film frame rather that between the frames. Regards,

Tecolote

After 24 do you think Kiefer Sutherland should do more voice acting?

24 of 24?

Is there gonna be 24 seasons of this show?

Kiefer Sutherland will be close to 60, if there is 24 seasons in this show.

So...?

"Is there"? -MT2008

If the show continues to have high ratings, then maybe.

Seriously? 24 seasons? Would be a first. Stargate is one of the only shows I've seen that has 10 seasons. A show is lucky to survive 4 seasons. Let alone 8 (24 now), 9 (Smallville), 10 (Stargate) Excalibur01 19:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

10 and it's only SG-1, not counting other shows from Stargate universe.

I was mentioning SG-1. And I hope to God Universe gets cancel before it gets to season 2. Excalibur01

Sadly no. Fox has announced that this current season will be the last. [3] --Crazycrankle 15:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

They may also leave a few questions unanswered like what happened to Mandy, where abouts is Chase and what happened to Tony after he was arrested???

I also heard everybody saying that the most useless and pointless character in this current season is Dana Walsh.

Until the last episode, that was the case. Now she's been revealed to be working for the bad guys, things are a bit different now. --Crazycrankle 00:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Well lets all hope she dies or gets arrested at end, and I just hope that they do not copy her character from Nina Myers.

Assault Rifles

Has anyone noticed that the terrorists are starting to use H&K G36Cs more than Ak47s?

What's your point these terrorist's are well financed and have better training than average insurgent's in Afghanistan. I've definitely noticed it, the first time I saw a G36C in this show was in Season 5 Episode 9 and a G36K in the back of a CTU SUV in Season 2. You may be able to ship 20 terrorists to this country but not get a stash of AK47 crates through customs (not that it's ever been done). In a real life scenario your enemies preferred weapon of choice would be america's most popular assault rifle, the AR-15. Think about what assault rifle you would pick if you were supplying blank converted assault rifles to this show. -HKFan 10:23, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I just want to point things out and I obviously know the Taliban and Al Qadea aren't as well financed compared to the IRA or Colombian FARC. Also I will think about what assault rifles to pick and use against the enemies.

The IRA isn't better financed than the Taliban or Al Qaeda. After the FBI started cracking down on its supporters in the U.S., and after MI-6 and Interpol shut down its connections to Libya, it was pretty much all over for them. -MT2008

Then how come back then American weapons are easily for them to obtain and smuggled compared to the Taliban or Al Qaeda? American weapons aren't cheap you know. Also I've never seen any Taliban or Al Qaeda in real life who are armed with American weapons.

They used AR-15s and AR-18s because their supporters in the U.S. bought those for them at U.S. gun stores and smuggled them to Ireland by boat. For much of its history, buying guns in the U.S. had always been the way the IRA procured arms. And if you read books like Ed Moloney's "A Secret History of the IRA", you'll find that this was not an efficient way to buy/receive weapons - the IRA was almost always short on small arms in the 1970s (there were never enough guns to go around), even though it spent a sizeable amount of its budget on weaponry. The FBI cracked down on the IRA's supporters in the U.S. beginning in the early-80s, and afterwards, the Provos were almost never able to buy guns in the U.S. again. The Libyan regime (and reportedly, the PLO and East Germany as well) became the IRA's new source of arms in the 1980s.

As for the Taliban, why would they need American weapons? Afghanistan and Pakistan are flooded with AKs and RPGs (mostly Chinese-made) that were shipped into the region by the CIA during the 1980s. And it isn't as though the quality of small arms determines the outcome in guerrilla war, let alone how effective or well-funded a particular group happens to be. Although Hezbollah does have enormous quantities of M16s and M4s (which they've been seen brandishing in photos). -MT2008 02:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

One more question does the Taliban uses other weapons in general besides the ones we keep seeing in their videoes? I always see TT33s, Makorov PMs, Ak47s and its variants, Dragunov sniper rifles, RPDs, RPKs, Pk machine guns and RPGs in their videoes, but could there possibly be others?

I really don't know. It's possible that they use weapons captured from U.S. or Afghan forces sometimes, though it wouldn't make much sense because ammo would be harder to acquire in the region for NATO weapons than Eastern Bloc/Chinese weapons. Either way, the one thing I know is that you're emphasizing weaponry too much. The types of small arms used by a particular terrorist/insurgent group are not an accurate reflection of its funding, or its capabilities - the only thing those weapons reflect is what's readily available at the arms bazaars in that area of the world. And most militants tend to use what's easiest and cheapest to acquire in their region, which in most of the world means AKs. The average terrorist group doesn't think to itself, "Let's go out and spend $1,000 per unit on H&K G36s because everyone will think we're badass operators if we pose with those guns in our YouTube videos." To them, weapons are tools to get a job done, and in guerrilla warfare, there's not much practical difference between an AK or a G36, anyway.

Also, contrary to what shows like Deadliest Warrior would have you believe, comparing a narco-insurgency like the Taliban or FARC to Al-Qaeda or the PIRA is actually a pretty retarded comparison. -MT2008 18:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Trivia: I think it was kinda bullcrap that Tarin Faroush manages to kill four NYPD ESU officers with a pistol even though they were wearing body armour. That is unless the pistol is loaded with armour piercing rounds.

-The most reasonable reason explination is that contrary to popular belief as well SWAT teams don't wear the same level of body armour as Soldiers. Beyond the level of Kevlar that SWAT vests have, they do not carry ceramic ballistic plates seen in standered infantry body armour. Also the Caliber and type of bullet that Faroush had in his USP or MK23 plays a difference. Most Kevlar can stop 9mm holopoint rounds, but it is more difficult to stop 9mm rounds that are not holopoints such as FMJ rounds or Full Metal Jackets. Unlike holopoint rounds which mushrooms up on impact preventing any further penetration into the body, FMJ rounds continue to travel through the body untill it is slowed down after going through or punctering vital organs. That means FMJs will only slow down and maybe stop the round before it penetrates the lair of kevlar and enters the wearers body. Kevlar also has a hard time stoping .45 ACP rounds or anything beyond 9mm unless they have ceramic plates or more layers of Kevlar material.-Choi117

-Tarin takes down the three, and they go down instantly. Then his partner makes a few long range shots from the cab and somehow takes him out. Then at the docks jacks standard vest takes like 6 5.56mm rounds and hes still alive. Oh well, weve seen jack take down about 100 guys in bodyarmor with his pistol so far.

Television is not a good place to be shooting people in the head neither is the realism of how strong there Kevlar is or even where they got shot. Jack Bauer is the kind of guy that wears his body armor outside his clothing more visible then SWAT teams. Seems like ever since 24 has switched directors the realism levels have gone down. -HKFan 23:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone do anything about the IP who keeps deleting things? 190.6.150.53

--Crazycrankle 04:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

H&K USP Compact

Does anyone find it strange that the Informant came to Jack in EP1 with Jack's Signature USP?

Jack discarded this weapon after it ran dry, and has since taken another one from CTU's Armory.

Could anyone post some more pictures from the later episodes?

Okay for now?

Hulu grabs are cool, right? In the legal sense? At least until the DVDs come out?--Funkychinaman 22:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

The grabs from Hulu tend to be of inferior quality. I know some people are able to grab the episodes off the air in HD, so that would be the preferred format until the DVD comes out. --Ben41 01:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Series Finale

After the series as ended, can someone please update seasons 1-5, and add more screenshots.

Was the final episode of season 7 is really officially the final appearance of Tony Almeida because it doesn't appear he is going to make an appearance in season 8, but I'm not sure if he will be mentioned???

Goof

Anybody else notice that Jack Bauer asks for 2 MP5s and an assortment of assault rifles and his contact gets him MP7s? I thought it was kind of odd.--Pølaris 21:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I caught that too. When he first asked, I thought it was weird that he asked for TWO. Why two? I suppose he could fire two MP7s akimbo, but it'd be a lot harder to do it with MP5s. Maybe it was MP7s in the script, and Kiefer just goofed. --Funkychinaman 22:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

-he was expecting cole to help him. Therefore 2. the contact probably got a similar weapon (comapct smg) with the mp7.

-why didnt he use it in the raid, all he was using was pistols...again

-I noticed the exact same thing. Seems odd.

Shotguns on 24

Any ideas why none of the CTUs are issued with pump action shotguns in the entire series? We saw Jack and Cole used a Mossberg, but they weren't issued to them. Shotguns are rarely used by a terrorist or any other character. While the police use Remingtons.

In Season 3 Episode 1 & 2 Jack and maybe his partner Chase Edmunds (James Badge Dale) have grabbed Remington 870's from an miniature lock and key armory in CTU Los Angeles to follow a lead supported by LAPD to go after a armed drug dealer. We also seen one standard issued in a back of a stolen FBI SUV in Season 7 Episode 18. Bottom line is CTU is a fictional agency that will make and armory look like a military grade gun store. They have already adopted the G36C to be the main weapon for most terrorists in the series. And Jack of course can't figure out how to flip his MP7's iron sights up. I think it would be a great idea to try out the new XREP shotgun taser round but the series is over and maybe no use in the upcoming 24 movie. -- HKFan 22:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Taurus Judge, are you serious?

Jack has like a full mag in the USP and pulls this little snubby, just as an excuse to use it on screen. The judge sucks, as a gun it doesnt deserve a breath of life....

The Taurus Judge can fire .4410 shot shell rounds and .45 colt rounds it's not exactly a little snubby considering in has a 2 inch long cylinder but it's obvious that most audiences wouldn't know what round the gun fires or why he would use it. I think the new director of 24 "Michael Klick" sucks at weaponry I realized that Dana's suppressed SW99 jammed and was still firing in a split screen scene near the end of episode 20. -- HKFan 14:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

well also the new director threw realism to the wind, now pistols drop everyone in a single round, even people wearing body armor like a SWAT team. I also love how anybody but the main characters is useless in a fight

TPTB missed a perfectly good chance to use the revolver when Jack was threatening to kill Dana if she didn't get the video from the safety deposit box. Instead of pressing the USP into her chest and threatening to pull the trigger, he should've pulled out the revolver, dumped out all but one round, and told her she'd get no more than five chances to say no to him. --Funkychinaman 22:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Jack always manages to get a USP compact lol

You notice that the guy who meets jack in the beginning brings him a USP compact, then there happens to be one usp sitting alone in the CTU armory, and when he hijacks the chopper later the agent escorting him convienently has a USP compact for him to steal.

I also noticed in the entire series that most CTUs prefer a Glock or SIG, there's very little of them who use a Beretta, USP or Smith & Wesson.

Another Gun is Dana's Smith & Wesson SW99. She uses one to escape from CTU, then has another SW99 suppressed in the safety deposit box. It's one of the flaws to 24 which is never explained.

Overused plot device?

And yet another highly trained agent/soldier falls for the old "I replaced the magazine in your pistol with an empty mag but you failed to notice" plot device." Ugh. Just once, I'd like to see someone try that on TV and have the person catch it. "What the hell? Why did you hand me an empty gun?" --Funkychinaman 22:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Cole's gun was loaded with blank rounds or dud rounds, you can see them in the magazine, when Jack hands him one with live rounds, so there wouldn't be any weight discrepancies, Cole wouldn't really have any reason to check the gun, as he was trying to make them believe Jack took him hostage, and therefore wanted to keep the gun hidden.--Pølaris 00:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see the blanks, but isn't it just as contrived for Jack to have a spare magazine (of a gun he's not equipped with) full of blanks? --Funkychinaman 00:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

It is quite absurd, just watched it again, and the mag is empty, it just looked like there was something in it.--Pølaris 00:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

If I were Jack I would have dissassembled the Glock and took out a minor part making the gun inoperable but the audience would probably want Jack handing over a magazine then a unfamiliar gun part. I myself would always do a brass check anytime I get a hold of a gun. -- HKFan 18:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Pistols so overused

Why is it that pistols are always used, even when assault rifles/ SMGs are availible? Like jack making a raid with a usp and judge when he had 2 mp7s?

If you're talking about episode 20 I agree Jack could have brought along his MP7 but since he and Cole had to walk across the street in the open acting like pedestrians he probably couldn't conceal it in his jacket or find a appropriate bag. They never had suppressors or had any idea how many guards were inside so I wouldn't call it a raid. Assuming the guards were really private security they probably never brought along anything bigger than a shotgun or a full auto into their arsenal since they are in the state of New York gun laws. But you maybe right the writers never get that specific into weaponry like we do. -- HKFan 18:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

They could've easily slung MP7s under their coats. I actually had assumed Jack had done so at first when I saw him crossing the street. And since there were only two of them, against who knows how many bad guys, you'd think he'd err on the side of caution. But then again, we're constantly overthinking it. --Funkychinaman 02:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Put that lack of logic in the forum thread of Movie Gun laws. Pistols are always more awesome than anything else and characters wouldn't pick up a better gun right in front of them Excalibur01

What about revolvers?

Well, video game logic says all revovlers are magnums and they are usaully more powerful than full sized rifles. In movies they dont fire enough bullets and theres to many john woo wannabees who just want to direct a movie showing hundreds of rounds going everywhere.

What really annoys me the most currently about Season 8

Dana Walsh was huge waste of time and story to me. Who would have known that she will be killed off.

They still haven't mentioned Tony.

The portrayal of the NYPD was appalling and unrealistic. The director and writers don't know that they never used Beretta 92FSs in real life and I did not see a single officer throughout the season used a Glock or Smith & Wesson. This is New York not LA.

Maybe in the 24 universe they get to carry personal weapons instead of just department issued crap. I hate how they look so incompetent though. Like SWAT gewtting taken down by a guy with a pistol. And they should nevber have brought tony back, he should have just stayed dead (and a good guy.)

Season 8 is supposed to be set in 2018. That should explain alot and, Who knows what will change over the next decade.

Spoilers

To whatever asshole posted that spoiler about the Colt 933 and Logan's limousine, Fuck You, this website has a no spoilers if possible policy.--Pølaris 20:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't you think your reaction is somewhat over the top? You're acting like somebody just insulted your mother or somebody else equally important in your life. I'm pretty sure that imfdb also has a rule about flaming. --Jcordell 16:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

-um, not really a spoiler, it was in the preview for next weeks episode, iunless your one of the people who just use hulu....

That's not a spoiler, it's pretty clearly implied from the preview that Jack Bauer captures Logan after shooting up a convoy of cars. Don't believe me? watch the link: 24 8x22 promo--Markit 04:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

How is that not a spoiler? It's information from an episode that hasn't aired, once you see or know about you can't go into the episode unaware because you've been SPOILED. Who's to say everyone watches the previews? When you watch a show on dvd you know what you see after it's over? The credits, not a preview, because that's not a real part of the show, that's some extra shit thrown in for the television airing to maintain or get more ratings next week. There's been many cases where a show's creators have disagreed with a preview that was aired for showing too much. Just because you might have no self control and no problem with spoiling every surprise you can don't assume everyone else does the same.

It's not a spoiler because it doesn't exactly reveal what the context of the character's actions are, nor what particularly was going to happen. Honestly, if you had watched episode 21, were you going to be very surprised that Jack was going after Logan? You must be annoyed by any sort of trailer then, because they always reveal all sorts of juicy moments-EXCEPT they are revealed without knowing the specific plot elements which in themselves may be surprising. Sure, previews sometimes spell out more plot information than they should, but a preview is as much a real part of the show as the credits are, because like featurettes or interviews, it is ultimately tied to the network's overall efforts to promote the show to the audience. If we were to ever go by your reasoning, we should never post anything about upcoming shows or movies that we like, simply because they might "spoil" (putting it loosely) a scene that will happen, even if the circumstances leading up to it are completely different from what we expected. Get off your high horse and stop being so condescending- you did not have to tell me to f*ck off on something that any regular watcher of 24 will have expected given all the twists this season has offered.

"preview is as much a real part of the show as the credits are, because like featurettes or interviews, it is ultimately tied to the network's overall efforts to promote the show to the audience."

Sounds like a contradiction there to me. Is it a part of the show or a part of the networks efforts to promote it? And yeah, I don't care for trailers that show too much either. Expecting something to happen and knowing it will are two different things. In fact, expecting things to happen and something entirely different happening instead was what 24 was all about before it ended up just repeating the same handful of plot tropes and cliches repeatedly. If I knew what was going to happen in the finale should I just spoil it for everyone because I just assume everyone else expects it to happen?

A conundrum

Okay, so the M14-type rifle that Tokarev used to shoot Renee Walker appeared again. Jack very specifically identified it as a Springfield M1A. I think it's safe to assume Jack, as a trained agent, would know his guns. (And yet still expect fellow agents to fall for the empty gun trick, but still.) Do we list it as a Springfield M1A? Because I'll be honest, I don't know for sure if it's an EBR, I just looked through the M14 page and the EBR came the closest. Someone has already implied that it's not. What do we go with? --funkychinaman 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)