Talk:The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day

unknown guns:

The litlle .22 looks like a jennings j-22 and the revolver looks like it may be a ruger redhawk, anyone got a close up of the hammer, that gives away rugers.

-k9870

The little pearl-handled semi-auto is a Baby Browning .25acp. If no one else wants to fix that, I'll do it later this evening. Got to head out shortly. krispic 10:06 4/10/10

They said in the movie that it was a .22 caliber. Spades of Columbia 4/10/10

You believe what you hear in movies? What they "say in the movies" very seldom bears any resemblance to real life. The firearm used in that scene was a Baby Browning 6.35mm (.25acp). If what you hear in movies is always true, I have *got* to get me one of those Sigourney Weaver pulse rifles! lol krispic 17:24 4/10/10

=That is definitely a Baby Browning, you can see a slide release behind the trigger in the picture, the BB has that as well as the somewhat boxy frame. However, what's pictured as the IMFDB gun is an FN 1905. Anyone have a free picture to reflect that? RedJedRevolver

For those who haven't seen it yet, the movie's recently-released trailer (which is the source of our page's info) is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2-PYxgL50

Looks like it'll follow completely in the vein of its predecessor - totally mindless and full of self-inflated importance, but impossible not to enjoy. Only thing that bothers me is that Sean Patrick Flannery has really not aged too well - dude's got an obvious double-chin in the trailer. That, and the fact that I would have preferred to see them using FN Five-Sevens instead of Desert Eagles. -MT2008 13:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just watched the trailer. Looks great!!!

It does look awesome. Norman Reedus on the other hand doesn't look like he has aged more than a year or too. I hope it will be better than the first, but it won't be the same with out Willem Dafoe -Mythekal

I'm a BIG fan of the original movie (plus I'm a Roman Catholic, have Irish heritage, and was born a fraternal twin, but my twin died during childbirth). We don't only get Sean, Norman, and Billy back, but we get Clifton Collins Jr. as thier dumbass sidekick and Julie Benz as the FBI agent (who looks like an attractive female version of Willem Dafoe). Personally, I think the brothers should use M1911A1 pistols with engraved finishes and white grips that have the Celtic Cross on it. - Swordfish941

=I agree. Having them upgrade from Beretta's to M1911's is like chucking a .25 Saturday Night Special for a Les Baer custom-S&Wshooter 03:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Don't underestimate what a 9mm can do. Especially the beretta 92FS. That gun is a refined killer as is the M1911 series. A man's just as dead with a 9mm slug in his brain as three .45 slugs in his chest. I think they should use .455 WEBLEYS! Those guns are fuckin' BEAUTIFUL! Engrave THEM grips! And desert eagles? please. what are they trying to prove? Don't get me wrong. I got irish heritage too and am AMPED to see this movie...but seriously...desert eagles? But yes. engraved finish M1911A1s would kick an intense amount of ass. Especially if they were mag-na-ported like in Face/off.

I would rather shoot someone once in the chest with a .45 than the 3-5 rounds of 9x19mm it would take. Webleys would be ridiculous though, as I have never even seen any .455 ammo for sale except for ONCE, and it was $80 for 20 rounds-S&Wshooter 20:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The local Cabelas sells 455 Webley in boxes of twenty cartridges made by Hornady for about $40.00. --Jcordell 03:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

C'mon man. don't be that way. The .45 would stop a man in his tracks in under three shots though. Everybodys got a gun thats THEIR GUN. Be it a Beretta 92fs or an m1911. The brothers seems pretty effective with them. why should they change? Some men can dot an eye with either gun. proficiency can be much more of a decider in combat than stopping power. A professional with a beretta is much more dangerous than an untrained person with a M1911, and vice versa. I have known those that swear by either gun. It just annoys me that it has become a ritual to scorn the 9X19mm round due to it's supposed lack of lethality. And I doubt you have been shot with either round. If you have I apologize. I suggested Webleys because they are very nice looking guns in my opinion. Note how I said LOOKING. Besides they are using desert eagles with compensators so money seems to be no object to them on their quest for justice, besides they could just reload their empties like everyone else with a webley.

Please my friend, sign your posts by pressing the sign button on the edit menu.--Oliveira 14:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Let me put it this way: I know people who have had to shoot people with 9mm's in self defense. They all told me it took around 3 rounds to make the attacker stop. Also, a Beretta Cougar makes way more sense to me than a 92 due to the fact that the Cougar actually feels like a gun, unlike the Beretta 92 which feels like a toy-S&Wshooter 18:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Who gives a flying fuck if a gun feels like a toy? I actually would like a gun that felt like a toy. That way it wouldn't be heavy. Also, three bullets isn't much. I still prefer .45 ACP, though.--Oliveira 18:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

yeah sorry folks. guess i sorta overreacted 'bout that one. I have found in my experience using a Beretta 92G vertec and a caspian arms M1911 that guns in either caliber can be fine guns. I would be fine using either of the guns I just mentioned in a firefight, or both preferebly. I don't mean like john wooing the guns, I mean like having a spare rod. hell, i'd use a browning HP, or a tokarev, or S&W Model 10, or a 1911, or a H&k U.S.P. .45, or even (god forbid) a glock. A gun's a gun and a kill's a kill. whatever you can kill with, use it. Jeff Cooper swore by his 1911s, just as my father swears by his 586. I knew a man who was mocked for carrying a Star model B when was in the armed forces, but easily shot a man dead in self-defense. .45 = stopping power. 9mm =low recoil. just because a man uses a beretta doesnt mean he likes to spray and pray, maybe he just doesn't like to take the chance he'll be out when he doesnt want to be, just like a man who carries an m1911 isnt necesarily a guy who just wants what's biggest, maybe he just knows what it can do. a man likes what he likes. And I like sammiches and berettas. And webleys. besides they could just use webleys modified to take .45 acp that they can download to usable pressures. Yes folks. I just went back to square one there....still. webley = sexy. well...im sure this argument will go on for eternity....soo continue. And thanks for tellin me about the signature thing. --ConditionNone 19:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

There are Webley's in the movie, but they aren't used that much-S&Wshooter 05:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think a Beretta feels like a toy, you are either enormously obese or you have never shot/held one.--ColonelTomb 23:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I have held quite few and I am not obese (I'm a big guy, but not enormous), but I do have massive hands, which explains why I think it feels like a toy and why I prefer heavier weapons. For example, I do not think a Ruger Redhawk w/ a scope is that heavy while everyone else I know who have shot it bitch about how heavy it is-S&Wshooter 01:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey S&Wshooter, didn't mean to come off as an asshole on that last comment. I had a bad day and was kind of angry.--ColonelTomb 00:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

To be fair both the 9mm and 45 ACP are probably the best rounds when using a suppressor. The .45 is naturally a subsonic round while the 147 grain 9mm round lends itself well to use in a suppressed firearm. As for anecdotal evidence on number of rounds there are a good number of stories where a 9mm was as effective as a .45 and there are stories where it took more than one round of .45 to stop an attacker. I happen to like the Beretta 92FS as a firearm and I have never had it jam except after a 1000 round torture test and had a 1911 do the same. Either way with a suppressed Beretta or 1911 the McManus brothers would have had a reliable pistol with which a suppressor would work admirably and would be quite effective. 98.175.58.228 04:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

There are two things I would like to point out. First of all, Beretta 92s and their variants are known for being heavier guns, since all of them up until 2003 were completely metal, as opposed to the polymer that is now commonly used in many parts of other guns. Even after '03, they were still most metal, and therefore are still quite heavy, compared to most other commercial guns. The second point I wanted to make is mainly directed at the power of the 9x19mm round, versus the power of the .45 ACP round. Sure, the .45 has plenty of stopping power, but the 9mm isn't a weak round. It may take 3-5 rounds to the chest occasionally, but more important then the stopping power of a bullet is where it hits. The .45 has been recorded to take as many as five hits to the chest to kill, while there are multiple incidents of the nine-mil killing in one shot straight through the heart. Sure, stopping power is important, but becomes fairly irrelevant if you're not trying to keep the target alive, and if you actually know how to aim. Acora 06:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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watched the trailer and there's a scene where Billy Connely and a thug face off and the thug is holding a revolver (Ruger Blackhawk maybe?)-Shooter

I think they were webley's

Just saw the movie, and those are definitely Webleys. Acora 08:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Glock 30 or I guess possibly the 26/27 not on the gun page? II Duke has one on his left hand shoulder when he has his six guns strapped to him.

Not to mention the Para Nite Tac (according to movie armorer), S&W 686 & 629.--Jan 07:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

LDA?

I honestly don't think Romeo is using LDAs as evident by the full triggers. They still may be Para-Ordnance, and I really like the Italian flag grips though. -ZombieKiller

One of the armorers who worked on the movie told me that they were LDAs. I wouldn't have written it otherwise. -MT2008 15:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't he flag on the grips the Mexican flag, not the Italian one?-S&Wshooter 19:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

1. Not trying to be a prick here, but armorers can be wrong all the time. Look at Hitman, or in the 1st Boondock Saints movie where the 92FS's transforms to PT92's. Either way I am by no means an expert, if he's a professional movie armorer than who am I to contradict him.

"but armorers can be wrong all the time"? hahahaha. Yes, they can be wrong ALL the time, but if they were, they wouldn't get much work now, would they? LOL MoviePropMaster2008 23:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

2. I liked the grips eitherway. -ZombieKiller

Just as a quick note to anyone looking, these dont look like LDAs, they have the standard 1911 style SA skeleton trigger, I'm not sure if that trigger can be used in a double action pistol. Therefore My vote is that these are Para p-18s, especially since it's the same trigger used on the P-18s -Deadlysyn

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Romeo (Clifton Collins, Jr.) racks the slide of his custom 45 - note that the words "El Jefe" are engraved in the slide - .45 acp

Yeah they have SA triggers. Maybe they were converted to SA? Is that possible? --Predator20 19:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the armorer meant Agent Bloom's weapon was the LDA. Just watched special features and that's what I heard him say. - JanG

[1] Closest Para I could find, based on serration angle and spacing, and the sights. Only problem, the LTC is a commander length and the ones Romeo uses look like government length. Another possibility is the PXT or the gun rights special edition. Kinda cool to use a gun rights pistol in a movie where fire fights are the appeal. --Jan 08:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Did the armorer (whichever one is interviewed for the special features) mention if Romeo's guns were P14s or LDAs? Al Vrkljan, who was one of the armorers who worked on the movie, specifically told me LDA, but he may have mis-remembered. I'm guessing that Charles Taylor (the other of the two armorers, and Al's boss) is the guy they interviewed for the special features, and he might have said something else. -MT2008

According to Taylor, Romeo's pistols are custom made for the character. They kinda looked like Para PXTs to me, but without the front serrations like the special series. Also, when the armorer showed Agent Bloom's handgun 6.45 can be seen clearly on the side. Here's one that looks like it... http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/5Wire/Firearms/645R.jpg --Jan 07:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Do they ever mention on the DVD special features the guns that Noah Macmanus uses in the finale? I can't tell what model that subcompact Para is (could be a P-10 but I'm not sure; confirmation would help.)

Would whoever is identifying Romeo's pistols please make note: The pistols in the movie CLEARLY do not have flared grip frames meaning they CANNOT be double stack pistols. The guns are neither double action or high capacity.User:Captain America

Maybe its this gun: http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=62 -Gunman69 03:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Noah's compact 1911 is a Para Nite Tac. As for Romeo's pistols, I had mentioned they looked like PXT Special series but with different fron sights. Maybe they're made up of several different parts put together. In any case, I agree with Captain... single stack, single action 1911s. --Jan 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

File:PANiteTac.jpg

As you can see, the Para Nite Tac is a full sized pistol so that can't be the Para that Noah uses. Do you mean a Nite Hawg?-Gunman69 23:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

FN FAL

I just saw the movie myself and am pretty sure those were not FN Fals in the armourer's cage but some type of assault shotgun with a side folding stock. --Charon68 13:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

FAL with no magazine.

Crew Cut

The hitman adversary is listed as using H&K USPs, but according to the armorer in special features, he uses Sig P226s. Also in the bar shootout where he takes the bartender hostage, you can clearly see that is is a Sig. - Jan

Did the armorer say whether Crew Cut used the P226R in the church scene, or only the bar shootout, or both? He definitely uses the P226R in the bar, but I wasn't able to tell what the suppressed pistols were. I'm getting the Blu Ray of this movie pretty soon (I ordered it from Amazon), so hopefully I'll be able to tell once I get it. -MT2008

They looked like 226s in the church scene, especially when crew cut laid down next to the priest.--Jan 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Watched special features again and according to the movie armorer (Charles Taylor) crew cut uses 2 sig 226s.--Jan 07:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket

Comparing the side view of both the Colt and the gun in the movie, it doesn't look quite like a 1908. Look for closely at the trigger Excalibur01

Perhaps you are right. Any thoughts on what it might be, though? -Gunman69 03:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Jennings J-22? it looks like one, and was specifically referred to as a .22.

Just because it was referred to as a .22 doesn't mean they actually used a .22. The script, for example, said the Desert Eagles were supposed to be .50 AE models, but the prop weapons used in the movie were chambered in .357 Magnum. -MT2008 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)