Talk:Predator (1987)

How's this page look now? This movie is one of my favorites and I need to do it justice. -GM

It looks great now. Thanks for getting rid of the pistols section and giving each pistol it's own section. Predator is a great movie, and now it has the page it deserves. What's next on your list?--Alienqueen11 04:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Great work on the screen caps. I'm still one of those guys who doesn't like 'non firearms' or munitions on pages, but that's just me. For example, I'm still mystified WHY molotov cocktails are listed on any movie page. Since they're an improvised weapon, kinda like a brick or rock. IMHO. Was that MP5 another chopped MPM2008 image? or was it something off the net? Just curious. MoviePropMaster2008 05:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I just edited one of your pics to use for now. The reason I wouldn't consider a Molotov an improvised weapon is because it is more like an explosive, like a grenade really. Rocks and Bricks don't blow up, molotovs have a chemical reaction and burn things. And to me, if it blows up, it is allowed on here. -GM

Manpack Mini-gun

From a Friend of Mine I have gotten a Quote from the Films Technical Advisor about the Hand-held Minigun.I'm going to integrate it into the page as it does go into the creation of the weapon as a man portible device. Rockwolf66 05:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

the Quote is: "The Predator gun is an M-134. It was never a microgun (XM-214). That story has been rattling around the Internet and elsewhere for years, that the Predator gun was a 5.56, it wasn't. Ventura had a hand in putting together the harness that held the gun, after all, he had to carry and handle the darn thing, and told me a bunch about it. When Dan had the gun (past tense I believe) he contacted me to see if Ventura wanted to buy the weapon. I'm going to do a writeup on the XM-214 including pictures of me holding one. It isn't a big deal to pick the microgun up and hold it cradled in one arm. Maybe when people see just how small the 5.56mm gun is, this story will start going away. The pack in the movie held all of four seconds worth of ammo and no batteries. In the first scene when Ventura fires the gun, you can see the cable for it it the dirt behind him. And the trigger didn't work. The special effects man handled powering the gun for several reasons, including safety. Something about them not wanting the actors injured if the gun was dropped and the trigger pulled." Rockwolf66 05:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

As far as detonating 40mm grenades...

There are/were two sets of fuzes. The earlier ones armed in 3 to 5 meters (9 to 15 feet or so) and presented a hazard because of the casualty radius of the rounds. These rounds were primarily used with the M79 but will chamber and fire in the M203. The "later" rounds included a third arming mechanism which delayed arming until the round was 14-28 meters from the barrel.

Minigun Fire Rate

I'd like to know the source of the "confirmed" fire rate of 1250 RPM. Reason being, I'm the guy that came up with the 1700-1800rpm figure which I figured out by counting the number of barrel rotations the weapon makes in a given time frame while the movie is playing in slow motion. There are several closeup shots on the weapon muzzle that make this possible. It should also be noted that in the special features Jesse fires the weapon with unedited sound and the weapon fires at such a rate that it is continuous sound, much like how a real Minigun sounds.

That's interesting, since a movie camera only records at a rate of 24 frames per second and you're claiming the gun fired at 30 rounds per second, meaning it completed five rotations a second, and that you eyeballed it rotating once every 4.8 frames in 'slow motion.' Any rate of fire over 1,440 rpm would be wasting ammo for the hell of it, since at that speed you'd already be firing a shot every frame. With your prediction they would be literally throwing away 6 rounds a second. Vangelis 13:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I got the rate of fire that I did by communicating with people who have acctually worked on said Minigun and that rate of Fire was stated back when Dan Shea was liquidating the Stenbridge gun collection. Plus have you ever heard a HK-21E rip off a belt at 1,100RPM? I have and it sounds very close to the unedited Predator Minigun sound. Rockwolf66 03:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I could be wrong, but that's what I observed. I just wanted to know where the confirmed fire rate came from.

I found this article online where a Dillon Aero rep briefly discusses the Predator gun:

http://www.defensereview.com/dillon-aero-m134d-and-m134d-t-gatling-guns-peace-through-firepower-superiority/

It supports the 1250 RPM claim or thereabouts.

Billy's Mosberg 500 - " While never seen firing the shotgun in the film... "

Hello

I beg to differ. At 27:00 ~ 27:01 while Billy is seen standing onscreen in the upper far right shooting downward at fleeing enemy personell you can see that he has expended all 5.56mm ammo and is switching to the 500. His movement is sublte but you can see him shift the weapon to grasp the lower of the rifle to use it as a make shift grip for the 500. He manages to get off one round before the next cut to Dutch who is seen shooting some additional personell. Thoughts?

Poncho pistol

I don't see this movie for a long time but I remember that Poncho carrie a sig P220 or P226. I'm not sure but I think that extract it when the prisoner tried to escape. Can anyone confirm?