Talk:Live Free or Die Hard

Goofs?

Anyone else notice that he fired off, what, how many magazines in Farrells house before running out of ammo, like ten, or what?

I believe it was four mags, instead of 3 since he would have two in the pouch and one in the gun, so that was a mistake. What is more notable is how he fires close to 20 shots from each mag despite them only holding 7 shots each. Anyone notice how in the first film he managed to keep his Beretta loaded all the way to the end and here he wastes all his ammo in one firefight? If he had carried a "friend in need", a backup gun, he likely wouldn't have been left defenseless in the apartment once his SIG ran dry. Last thing, in the theatrical edition he tells Farrell he destroyed the helicopter with the car because he was out of bullets but he tells Matt he has mags in the glove compartment when they leave his apartment. In the unrated version, they changed what he said and this error went away.

• • • It could of been the 9mm p226 which holds 20 rounds per magazine.***

A P226 holds 15 shots, not 20. And it has been confirmed as a P220 by the armorer of the film.

Can't a person get a 20 round mag for a 226? Also, wouldn't a 220 have to be his off duty weapon? The NYPD only allows 9mm and 38's.

I'd imagine they could, if one made such a magazine for that gun. And as for what the NYPD allows, real life =/= this movie. The gun's been long confirmed to be a P220R. So, in the Die Hard universe, that's what he was issued or allowed to carry. --Clutch 20:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, in regards to what is permitted by NYPD, McClane as a senior detective (he has been on the force for decades) probably has more freedome in what he can carry than an average patrol officer.

Mauser currently made a 20 round magazine for the SIG P226 using super-new spring technology, but that's in 9mm. You can't fit 20 rounds of .45 ACP into a standard magazine and not have it extend way past the grip. - Gunmaster45

Regarding the "I was out of bullets" remark, I'm guessing that probably had nothing to do with how much ammo he fired. That was probably just for humor. -Gunman69 23:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Who did it first - Die Hard or Lethal Weapon?

Not to say that you're wrong, but wouldn't the Lethal Weapon movies be just as much of an influence on the guns popularity in the US? I mean, Lethal Weapon came out a year before Die Hard and Mel Gibson and Danny Glover talk specifically about the the Beretta in the beginning. "9mm Beretta, 16 in the mag, one in the pipe,..."Danny Glover.

I think both movies were equally influential in increasing the popularity of the 92FS. But, from my experience at least, Die Hard was the movie that made me want a 92FS from the age of 8 until I got one at 26.

Hmmmmm. I already had several 92F pistols when I saw Die Hard in the theaters....MoviePropMaster2008 09:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, have at it. --Clutch 05:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Then there's the fact that by the time Lethal Weapon came out, two A Better Tomorrow movies had already been released, both featuring the Beretta 92F prominently. BTW, interesting story I heard...has anyone ever noticed that there aren't too many Berettas in movies made in the U.K. during the 1980s (such as the James Bond movies of the time)? Apparently, this is because Bapty & Co.'s Beretta 92Fs and Taurus PT92s were rented out to so many Hong Kong productions in the '80s that they were never in inventory for use by domestic productions. -MT2008 15:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

F-35

The STOVL version actually doesn't have an internal gun, it mounts it in a ventral pod like the Harrier. I still don't think it has two like the Harrier does, so the page is right about it being inaccurate on that front. Dongs 19:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually know nothing about jets so I used all the information I could find on Wikipedia and IMDB. Hopefully I did a good job. :) - Gunmaster45

You did pretty good. Got some things wrong though but who i am to judge? I don't know nothing about jets either. I'm more of a Army and Marines guy.-Oliveira 20:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sad to see it Go

Anyone else saddened by the loss of Mclanes old Beretta for this new film? I'm not knocking the SIG P226, but the Beretta is Mclanes iconic pistol, and it deserved more then just a we cameo. M14fanboy

He actually uses a SIG P220, not a P226. -Gunman69 01:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I would much rather see him use a P220 than his old, rattletrap Beretta-S&Wshooter 01:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I think everyone knows you hate Beretta's, S&Wshooter. No need to keep going on and on about it. McClane started with a Beretta 92 he should have finished the series with one. It's basically like Dirty Harry not using a S&W Model 29. --Predator20 02:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it would have been cool to see Mclane use a Beretta Px4 Storm-S&Wshooter 02:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Um..................he does. Have you seen the page??? -Gunman69 02:39, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it would have been cool to see Mclane use a Beretta Px4 Storm

Is that a joke?

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Also, your profile says you hate SIGs, too. -MT2008 02:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh I totally forgot about that part. I don't hate SIGs as a whole, just how all the weight is at the top of the slide and that they are really fucking expensive (I'm BROKE and if I spend the amount that a SIG goes for, it'll be for a nice Smith and Wesson revolver-S&Wshooter 04:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

"Part"? He uses the PX4 Storm for half the damn movie! How can you be an IMFDB member if you don't read the page? Ugh...

Anyway, as for SIGs, the weight on the slide is a consequence of SIG stupidly switching to those cheaply and crudely CNC-milled slides on all their guns since 1996. Earlier SIGs, like my West German stamped-slide P226, are much less top-heavy. So, stick with the P228s and the older-model P220s and P226s. -MT2008 04:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

For whoever is pissed about me forgetting a part of a movie that I only saw once, shut up. As for the SIG discussion, I find that the P239 is a pretty nice gun, even though I haven't fired it, and their Hammerli pistol is an excellent target pistol-S&Wshooter 04:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

OMG, so you only saw the movie once; haven't you looked at this page? We've got 7 pics of the Beretta!! BTW, thanks for the info on the SIGs, MT2008. :) -Gunman69 00:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not "pissed", sorry if I came across that way. But I just think it's hilarious that you're on a site which identifies guns in movies, and you constantly complain about guns you hate on this site, and yet you take NO time to actually read the site that you post on. You gotta admit it's hilarious. But whatever. -MT2008 01:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)