Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Brazillian Militia?

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the BOPE or i am not buying it.-Oliveira 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Guns from the new teaser

This SMG looks like a Heckler & Koch MP-10.

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Heckler & Koch MP-10

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I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.

It could be a K with the forward grip removed? Spartan198

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though

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And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).

--PhantomT1412 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~Revolver

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.

The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--PhantomT1412 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.ShaDow XPS

Magazine goddamit!Oliveira 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.

.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --Joffeloff 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.

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Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm

The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.

Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--PhantomT1412 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.ShaDow XPS

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Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP

ShaDow XPS

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)

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--PhantomT1412 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?ShaDow XPS

what AK is this?

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In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. 72.133.253.21 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Guns from the trailer

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FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?

I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter

Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [1]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.Oliveira 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--PhantomT1412 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.Oliveira 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--PhantomT1412 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.Oliveira 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.Oliveira 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-S&Wshooter)

I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.Oliveira 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.Oliveira 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- S&Wshooter 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round Charon68

And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.Oliveira 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-S&Wshooter

I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:

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A real M14.

I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.Oliveira 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--PhantomT1412 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.

Oliveira 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.Oliveira 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents

Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-Oliveira 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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--PhantomT1412 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

• A Kriss Super V?

Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor

I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.Oliveira 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.

I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing. ---Clutch 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.

The machine gun

I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.Oliveira 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--PhantomT1412 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?

Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.Oliveira 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

New AK

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I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard. Found a similar image:

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Rock and Metal 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.Oliveira 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.Oliveira 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--PhantomT1412 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.Oliveira 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I said "NATO forces"--PhantomT1412 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.

Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.Oliveira 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. Rock and Metal 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.Oliveira 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--PhantomT1412 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-Oliveira 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

• It's gotta be an AKM.

Why the fuck it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-Oliveira 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.

But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-Oliveira 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-RedJedRevolver

I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-Oliveira 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-RedJedRevolver

Unrealeted

Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the fuck? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the motherfuck? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.Oliveira 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.Rockwolf66 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.Oliveira 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hopes For New Game

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-S&Wshooter 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-S&Wshooter 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.

The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as fuck like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.Oliveira 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Winchester 1200

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?

The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.Oliveira 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.

Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun porn in video game history atleast by now.Oliveira 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright

Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.Oliveira 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:

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--PhantomT1412 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC) YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor

Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-Oliveira 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --Blemo 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Which trailer?-Oliveira 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

gameplay demo

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2 it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?

It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.Oliveira 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

some says it's a SCAR--PhantomT1412 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.Oliveira 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal

Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.Oliveira 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. Excalibur01 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange Excalibur01 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada Choi117

I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.Oliveira 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.

Sorry, i didn't know that.Oliveira 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 Excalibur01 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-Oliveira 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. Excalibur01 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a Glock 18C

Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.Oliveira 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real Glock 18, but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a Glock 18. Excalibur01 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Or it could be a Glock firing on semi-automatic. Oliveira 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

That little fucker fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)

Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

Weapons-trailers

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.

Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.Oliveira 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. Excalibur01 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all bullshit. We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.Oliveira 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hbar?

I don't want to offend anyone but, what the motherfuck is a Hbar?-Oliveira 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. Excalibur01 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[2] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--PhantomT1412 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-Oliveira 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.ShaDow XPS

I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 Excalibur01 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--142.162.149.33 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)

Sign you posts for christ's sake.-Oliveira 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Correct Name

I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just Modern Warfare 2 because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. Excalibur01 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

And I've successfully changed the name Excalibur01 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. Markit

Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-S&Wshooter 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--PhantomT1412 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2--PhantomT1412 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. Excalibur01 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. Excalibur01 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-Oliveira 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. Excalibur01 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-Oliveira 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.ShaDow XPS

What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-Oliveira 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.ShaDow XPS

The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. Excalibur01 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and fucks everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-Oliveira 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-S&Wshooter 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda fucked up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.

More weapons comfirmed

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8

That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-Oliveira 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. Excalibur01 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

CPT. Price

I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... Spartan198 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-Oliveira 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? Excalibur01 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

• Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. Dongs 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-Oliveira 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has already died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the Tirpitz and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. Dongs 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-Oliveira 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. Dongs 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-Oliveira 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

• Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. Dongs 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [3] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

• Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. Dongs 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-Oliveira 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

General Observations

Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from Infinity Ward seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

Not really. Excalibur01 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

The New pictures

Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-Oliveira 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --PhantomT1412 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of fucked up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the motherfuck? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the motherfuck?-Oliveira 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.ShaDow XPS

TAR-21 or F2000?

File:MW2TR6.jpg

A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably aFN F2000 Tactical

Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--PhantomT1412 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-Oliveira 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--PhantomT1412 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

My question is where the fuck is the scope?-76.31.5.208 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)

There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-Oliveira 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--M14fanboy 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like an Remington 870.-Oliveira 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--Halorocka888 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--M14fanboy 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

MP7? Are you sure?

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left. They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different. MP7 doesn't match... Morihaus 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

FAL Please

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--M14fanboy 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with the above statement-S&Wshooter 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-Oliveira 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-S&Wshooter 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-Oliveira 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-S&Wshooter 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Those are just called FN FALs.-Oliveira 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--M14fanboy 22:08, 26 June

2009 (UTC)

XM8!!!!!!

Dear god no, someone is saying an XM8 is in this game?! Is there no GOD!? Excalibur01 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't even know where those non-confirmed guns came from. Did they come from those youtube videos about the game's weapons?-Oliveira 12:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

There better not be an XM8.-S&Wshooter 15:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The XM8 is a piece of fucking shit so it better not be in this game.-Oliveira 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree. The XM8 is overused in games as it is, and it sucks shit. It couldn't even stand up to the M4A1 or M16A4 in US Army testing for christ's sakes!--142.162.149.33 17:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

At least it was better than those fucking Air Burst rifles. I can't fucking believe most NATO countries though that would work. Just look at those things! They look like something outta a fucking Anime!-Oliveira 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the air burst idea was a massive fail. and remember the OICW program? A multishot grenade launcher and IR scope attached to a rifle, and they wanted a single soldier to carry all that?--M14fanboy 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

At least the XM25 is working.-Oliveira 18:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Guys, chill out, will ya? If you want some enlightenment, the XM8 competed in a "dust test" with the M4A1, HK416, and the SCAR-L, and scored lowest number of stoppages [4]. Here's the score:

XM8: 127 Stoppages M4: 882 Stoppages HK416: 233 Stoppages SCAR-L: 226 Stoppages

The M4 was outperformed by the HK416, SCAR, and XM8, but the army is still standing by the M4A1. Read the article that I've linked to to learn more. -500Magnum

The M4 is still superior since stoppages don't mean anything.-Oliveira 18:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually: It does. The US Army and you can say what you want, 80% of the soldiers do have confidence in the weapon, but the M4A1 still has some problems that the remaining 20% complain about.

1. The handguards can rattle and can become very hot when fired.

2. There can be difficulty zeroing the M68 reflex sight.

3. The rifle has had double-feeding issues, jamming, and feeding problems with the magazine.

55% of Soldiers have also complained that the weapon is too heavy, and want it to be made lighter, and 20% want a bigger magazine. Have you even fired one? Because your statement seems a fit unfounded if you have nothing to support your claim.-500Magnum

No i never fired one because here in Brazil, weapons for civilian use were banned in the entire country. However, i did read Wikipedia's entire article on the M16 and its varients and the M4. And the M4 even when it's loaded, weights a mere 3.1 kilograms.-Oliveira 19:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

• Out of all the weapons tested, I much prefer the SCAR, and so do US Special Forces as they're adopting it already--M14fanboy 03:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Lets hope that the military will ditch the M4/M16 for a Battle Rifle like the SCAR-H or an FAL derivative (Maybe the shorty DSA model) so the troops can use a more effective bullet, cuz that 5.56 BS isn't cutting it-S&Wshooter 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I think they could just rechamber most of the M4s and M16s to 6.8 mm Remington SPC. I don't know if that would be a easy thing to do though.-Oliveira 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Well Barrett did build the M468/ Rec-7 for the military, but they rejected it. Why not just buy some Rec-7s? But really, I've always thought the 7.62 NATO round was a much better bullet. And a the DSA stubby wouldn't be a bad carbine to use either.--M14fanboy 16:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

7.62 rounds give way too much recoil. I still say the 5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC is still better than 7.62 NATO. You know what? The M4 and M16s don't need to be replaced. There, i said it.-Oliveira 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

At a glance it does seem very simple to solve the M4 problems, swap ammo with 6.8, jamming mags? Get better ones, make it lighter, etc. But it is a pretty hard process to replace a standarize weapon that's been in service for so long that it's engraved into American military mentality. Excalibur01 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It still a prototype so back the fuck off, M4s piss and moan like a freakin baby they're only good for SWAT if an AK got a shell in the barrel it would still fire, never have an M4 in the desert.

If you are talking about the XM8, the XM8 was a prototype. Fortunately, it was cancelled in 2005. The American troops that are in the shit, like the M4 and the M16A4. And they are the ones in the desert. The problems with the magazines could be fixed by replacing the unrealible STANAG magazines with the P-MAG magazines and making bigger magazines that could store more rounds. We don't need to replace the M4 and the M16 because of problems that could be easily fixed. The same thing can be applied to the M249 replacement program.-Oliveira 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why everyone thinks the XM-8 is horrible. It's a prototype. Not everyone was happy with the M-16s in nam. Partially due to military error saying the guns didn't need to be cleaned and partially due to new materials being tried out. That's besides the point. I don't see how the XM-8 is such a bad weapon. They don't even need to put it in single player or anything. They didn't have an M40 in single player and it's my favorite rifle in CoD4. If you read up on the XM-8 it wasn't such a bad gun. Now I do disagree about it being in the game because it's a prototype weapon. Still I'd like people to at least put down some evidence as to why they absolutely are disgusted with the XM-8 and refuse to see it in this game.ShaDow XPS

As usual fanboys must let everyone know how much they absolutely despise the XM8 for no legitimate reason while at the same time proclaiming the M16/M4 series is the best weapon ever. They have never fired either weapon and cite their wikipedia knowledge while not realizing how clueless they are.

Dude I HAVE a fuckin' M4 and it really doesn't jam that often, but it feels alot like a toy. I have had BB guns that felt sturdier-S&Wshooter 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok Shadow XPS, the problems of the M16 that were reported in Viet Nam WERE taken seriously later. So many changes to the M16 platform from then to now has been done to make the weapon better. They wanted to chrome it, they did it. They wanted 30 round mags to compete with the AK's, they did, they made compact versions of the weapon, rails, etc. Eventually the M16 platform is being solved one thing at a time. It isn't the perfect gun, but no rifle is and it's all about preferences. Excalibur01 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I never said the problems were never taken seriously. I'm saying people were not happy with it at first because the army reported that it never needed cleaning when it did. What I'm saying is the M-16 had a rocky start but it ended up being a great gun. Now suddenly when the XM-8 rolls around with less stoppages everyone thinks it's horrible? Sure it has a few bugs but the M-16 did too.ShaDow XPS

I'm fairly sure it was the manufacturers who told the Army it was self-cleaning rather than the Army reporting that. But the XM8's main problem is just aggressive bad design for the sake of it; not being designed with current accessories in mind being the main point, though supposedly there are also issues with polymer components melting. And really, there's no reason now for the US Army to adopt a firearm on the basis it might get better someday when they have one that already has got better.

Plus the XM8 is basically just a G36 stuffed inside a silly "high-tech" shell. Vangelis 10:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

All fair arguments. I somewhat agree with the XM-8 to G-36 thing. They seem too similar to both be in the game. As well you are right about the polymers and the fact that the XM-8 doesn't take "current" attachments. I can't remember what happened with the polymer problem but the attachments the XM-8 uses is the PCAP which are the small little oval holes. They aren't backwards compatible with the standard rails without an adapter but the attachments don't need to be re sighted because of the precision of the attachment. So it's a trade off.ShaDow XPS

TDI "Kriss"

I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--M14fanboy 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-Oliveira 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

True, but it varies what the recoil force actually does and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. Tim 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-Oliveira 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not

From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--M14fanboy 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-Oliveira 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get pissed off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the bastard faster than you could in real lifeExcalibur01 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. Vangelis 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

HK416?

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...). --Wikinerd 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

FN P90

Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"

Did you miss this?-Oliveira 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)