Talk:M16 rifle series

Demarco C7 Assault Rifle

What catigory should I include the Canadian C7 Assault Rifle. the Early ones were effectivly M-16A2's with a full auto lower. I'm not quite sure that I should make a section for the weapon as the lattest versions are now optic sighted and are a unique varient that is standard issue to both Canada and the Neatherlands.Rockwolf66

Is it really necessary...

...to have an entry dedicated to the M16 and M203, when we already have an M203 page at M203 grenade launcher? Looking over the history of both pages, it looks to me as though the M203 page was added a while after the M16 page entry on the M16/M203 was in place, since the M16 page is one of the oldest on the site.

I propose that we merge the entry under the M16 page with the entry on the M203 page.

Interesting

...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...

We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... MoviePropMaster2008 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The M16A4 pictures

They don´t look like M16A4s to me.
Sick-vice 20:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

They are. They are M16s with removable carry handles, meaning they are A4s. -GM

I will be posting some A4 pics soon ;) MoviePropMaster2008 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

M4A1

I re-uploaded the M4A1 with the LE stock and carry handle because the LE stock makes it different from the other picture, so it can be used. -GM

Well, the new one has the LE stock, too, but I guess having a "plain" M4 with that stock is nice. I forget...did MPM take this pic himself, or is it from somewhere else? He mentioned that some of the pics he uploaded are placeholders until he could get better ones.

That one that GM reloaded is not mine (though I originally put it up as a placeholder) ... (hopefully people can tell the quality difference). I fully intend to do a large high resolution version of all the configurations (like the others). As people can tell, I've been re-uploading some of my older (shot on film and scanned) pics with HIGH res digital pics. So, it's okay to have it as long as I can replace it with a new pic of the exact same configuration. MoviePropMaster2008 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?

MoviePropMaster2008 has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -MT2008 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -MT2008 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)

The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards...

I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training.

It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -MT2008 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle

Does anyone have an image of one? -User:AdAstra2009

I put one on the Live Free or Die Hard page that I took from another site. -MT2008 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one. -User:AdAstra2009

Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for Live Free or Die Hard), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -MT2008

Rate of Fire on the M16A1

Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?Oliveira 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute Excalibur01 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

What is this?

It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? Excalibur01 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-Oliveira 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... Alex T Snow

XM607 Commando Carbine

The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released though:

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