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Talk:Margolin MCM
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I suggest to rename this page: Margolin MCM would be more correct. "Baikal" is only a trademark of Izhmekh (and "Vostok" was a previous trademark), while Margolin was the designer of this pistol. We have pages "Tokarev TT-33" or "Makarov PM", not "TOZ TT-33" or "Izhmekh PM", so I think that this page would be better named the same style. Greg-Z (talk) 12:39, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- I was wondering about that. Is Baikal just the post-1991 name? --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- In 1960s-1980s this pistol was exported from USSR under the trademark "Vostok" (East). For example, here is a cover from the manual. The trademark "Baikal" appeared only in mid-1990s (1994 or 1996 according to various sources). And in USSR/Russia this pistol is known simply as "Margolin pistol". Greg-Z (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- For the record, Wikipedia just calls is "MCM pistol." --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:28, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- It is called very different in Wikipedia on different languages: "Pistolet Margolina MTs" in Russian Wiki, "Margolin MCM" in Czech, "Baikal MCM" in Italian, "Pistolet MCM Margolin" in Polish and so on. BTW, MCM is a modernised version of original MC 1 (or MTs - the spelling is another question), but MCM was the most known model of all Margolin pistols, so I think that MCM fits good for the title of the page. Greg-Z (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- So, what will be the verdict? Greg-Z (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
- Since you've done the research, I'll defer to you on this one. I think if someone was going to object, he would've done so already. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
- So, what will be the verdict? Greg-Z (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
- It is called very different in Wikipedia on different languages: "Pistolet Margolina MTs" in Russian Wiki, "Margolin MCM" in Czech, "Baikal MCM" in Italian, "Pistolet MCM Margolin" in Polish and so on. BTW, MCM is a modernised version of original MC 1 (or MTs - the spelling is another question), but MCM was the most known model of all Margolin pistols, so I think that MCM fits good for the title of the page. Greg-Z (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- For the record, Wikipedia just calls is "MCM pistol." --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:28, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- In 1960s-1980s this pistol was exported from USSR under the trademark "Vostok" (East). For example, here is a cover from the manual. The trademark "Baikal" appeared only in mid-1990s (1994 or 1996 according to various sources). And in USSR/Russia this pistol is known simply as "Margolin pistol". Greg-Z (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
