Talk:Taser

A TASER is NOT a firearm!

This is a prime candidate for DELETION. There are many other less lethal devices used by police and civilians. Stunguns, Pepper spray, beanbag rounds, rubber. Though the original Taser is classified by the ATF as a firearm, only because some of the models use chemical charges to fire the darts (some others don't) it's a pure technicality. MoviePropMaster2008 05:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC) Opinions from other members on the subject are requested.

I know it is not a firearm but the FN 303 is also not a firearm as it also uses compressed air and it has a page, I just thought that I would make a page for the taser as it is seen in quite a few movies and tv shows these days. --ThePotShot 05:47, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

That page can easily be removed if you so desire, however, one of the criteria is whether or not the general public will confuse it with a firearm (or the generally accepted definition of a firearm). No one wonders what a Taser is, they know what a Taser is and they KNOW it's not a firearm in the conventional sense of the word. MoviePropMaster2008 01:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I say let it stay. If you can hold it in your hand and use it to shoot a projectile out at someone, it's a firearm in my eyes, More so, even than some of the "fantasy weapons" allowed on here.--Spikemonkey 05:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I suppose if you want to get pedantic, firearms are ranged weapons that rely on chemical explosives (where the "fire" in "firearm" comes from) to propel a projectile at something or someone to cause harm to it by breaking the target apart, and receives all of its propulsive energy at the start (unlike missiles or rockets which gradually accelerate). By this definition, a speargun is not a firearm (since it relies on tension rather than expanding gases to launch the projectile) and rail- or coil-guns don't count either, since they electromagnetically accelerate a projectile rather than using a chemical explosive (maybe the technical term should be "EMAC gun" and not rifle since they don't require any rifling in a barrel?).

I myself don't mind which way this wiki swings, since here we also list things that are not strictly man-portable firearms either (like the entries for rocket launchers, mines and vehicle-mounted weapons such as the Bushmaster chaingun). I would like this wiki to be on the inclusive side, so as long as it's within reason. One example is how I plan to include the "Less-Lethal Shotgun" on the S.W.A.T. 4 page since it's converted from a Benelli Nova shotgun and still uses chemical explosives to propel its beanbags, but won't include the Pepper Spray in the game since it's not a ranged weapon nor was it made from a conventional firearm. The Pepper-ball gun I've decided to include anyway for completeness' sake, despite using compressed air instead of chemical explosives.

Either way, whichever the decision the powers-that-be here on this wiki make, it should be clear and posted somewhere easily accessed and seen so that the policy of this wiki will be clear and easily enforced for all contributors. --Mazryonh 05:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Will do. The problem is that SOME NEW MEMBERS always find a way to 'stretch' the definition of what should be on the site. I suppose that is why rules and regulations always end up being so LONG. This IS the Movie FIREARMS database, and yes, I've had FIGHTS with other members as to the 'mission creep' of ever expanding lists of stuff that appears on the site. One of these days we'll have a page for 'Sharp Stick' and there will be someone arguing as to why it should be here. MoviePropMaster2008 01:13, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea if this is finished or not but I think that if you delete this on the basis that it is not strictly a firearm, well, there will be so much other things that should be removed from the site, just like mines & such. Rocket launchers arn't firearms either. Just saying my view. :) --ZacharyXD (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

I agree with --ZacharyXD, after all even Airsoft-Guns and Non-guns are listed, and they're even further "off" from the firearm-classification. So this definitely deserves to stay here.

X2 Photos

The existing X2/3 pics look like concept renders. I put up the first photo of an X2 I have right now. I plan to take some more photos of the X2, probably next week. I'll try to get pics of the safety, lcd screen, aiming lasers, and cartridges. I don't have any X3s to get photos of unfortunately. Should I try to get a white background or is that orange textured one fine? S3anyBoy (talk) 23:04, 20 February 2015 (EST)

It's no wonder you don't have an X3 to take photos of; it was discontinued in 2013, likely due to how wide and unwieldy it was to keep on a police utility belt, though it was also offered in a "Home Defender" variant which likely shouldn't have had those issues to that extent. See if you can get a white background if at all possible. If not, the current one will suffice for now. --Mazryonh (talk) 15:36, 21 February 2015 (EST)

I didn't want to waste IMFDB bandwidth uploading ones that would go unused. I made an imgur album of the photos I took. Which do you think belong on the article? I'll probably replace the last photo I took with one with a white background, maybe one of the "half-loaded" ones. It was hard to get a good picture of the aiming light/laser, especially since the bottom dot flashes, but I got a good one of the screen and top blade sights. http://imgur.com/a/36w6Q S3anyBoy (talk) 11:47, 25 February 2015 (EST)

I'll get on that soon. Most of the imgur images look a bit out-of-focus though. --Mazryonh (talk) 20:39, 25 February 2015 (EST)

Conducted Energy Weapons from other companies

So far, Taser International has done a good job of maintaining its market share (and Taser has more or less become the byword for electroshock CEWs). There have been a few other CEWs made by other companies that have turned up in media that would be suitable for inclusion on this wiki, however. Since I see gun entries for guns that appear only in one piece of media, would those non-Taser-International-made CEWs get their own pages or go on this one?

Two examples are the Stinger S-400, the first commercially available multishot CEW, found in SWAT 4, and the Stinger S-200, which greatly resembles the CEW used in Grand Theft Auto V. Both were made by the now-defunct Stinger Systems. --Mazryonh (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2015 (EST)

I would think they probably go on this page, especially since most people would probably think of it as a "taser" anyway, and especially if it's only got one or 2 appearances in media, but I'm no admin or expert. S3anyBoy (talk) 20:01, 23 February 2015 (EST)

I agree that we should group those other ones on this page, since they fall under the umbrella of 'Taser' and also don't seem to have enough entries or exposure to warrant their own pages, as stated. True these would be from different companies but just like how SAAs, Single/Double-Barrel Shotguns, etc are all generally consolidated on single pages, I think that same deal can apply here. StanTheMan (talk) 20:57, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Should probably move this page to "Conducted Energy Weapon" with Taser as a redirect if we're doing that, since "Taser" is currently still a non-generic trademark and all. Otherwise it'd be like calling every carbine AR15 an M4. Evil Tim (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2015 (EST)

Hasn't Taser become something of a genericized trademark for CEWs by now, like Kleenex? Anyway, if this page gets moved to "conducted energy weapon" (which is the technical term for this weapon class, even with the one exception of the X12, which fires an electroshock projectile rather than conductive wires), then Taser should redirect to the new title. Perhaps sorting this page by manufacturer would do. There are other entries for weapons here that only appear in one piece of media, so including the non-Taser CEWs that also appear in one piece of media could be included here. --Mazryonh (talk) 21:27, 23 February 2015 (EST)