Talk:Flame and Citron

The first image of the ZB26 appears to be a Bren gun. --Funkychinaman (talk) 04:32, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx! And submachine gun?--Pandolfini (talk) 05:15, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Revolver

Can it be a Danish M1880 (or M1880/85) revolver? Greg-Z (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx, Greg!--Pandolfini (talk) 06:24, 19 January 2014 (EST)

SMG

Maybe a Suomi? --Funkychinaman (talk) 05:26, 19 January 2014 (EST)

I guess it's an M/41, a Danish copy of Suomi manufactured by Madsen and Hovea weapon factories. Sorry, I couldn't find any image of this weapon but it's general outlook is similar to Swedish Husqvarna M1944, only with Suomi-style drum magazine. Greg-Z (talk) 05:34, 19 January 2014 (EST)

While Swedish version of Suomi never used a drum magazine, I still think that the SMG on the last screenshot is a Danish M/41 while SMGs with different barrel shroud on previous screenshots are original Finnish-manufactured Suomi. Greg-Z (talk) 12:21, 19 January 2014 (EST)

I concur with Greg. After all, Denmark ordered dozens of Suomis just before WWII, and only during WWII manufactured their own licensed copy. So it is likely these are Suomis.--Warejaws (talk) 12:00, 20 January 2014 (EST)

During the firefight he used in the same submachine gun both types of magazines! It is there to see how changing one after another! http://media.theiapolis.com/d3/hJ4/iLO/wZK/image45.jpg --Pandolfini (talk) 16:03, 20 January 2014 (EST)

I don't think it is a Danish M/41, as those are pretty distinctive with the more pistol gripped stock and front sight wings. Also, on the original Suomis the rear sight was an adjustable tangent one, whereas this appears to have the simpler rear flip sight of the Husqvarna. On the topic of this, where does the name "Husqvarna M1944" come from? I thought it was called the Husqvarna K-pist m/37 for the original in 9mm Browning Long, and Husqvarna K-pist m/37-39 for the 9x19mm version. Is this supposed to be a later version, because to me it just looks like an m/37-39. As for the mags, I'm not sure about the m/37 but the m/37-39 was used with both quad stack 50 round box mags and 70 round drums. --commando552 (talk) 18:33, 20 January 2014 (EST)

Danish is "Husqvarna/Suomi M/1944" - http://www.thm-online.dk/genstande/54-b5487/ --Pandolfini (talk) 03:45, 21 January 2014 (EST)

To me that seems possibly wrong, as Husqvarna is Swedish and Suomi is Finish, so I don't get how something labelled as Husqvarna/Suomi can be Danish. As far as I know the Danish Suomis were made by Madsen, were called the M/41 and had a different more distinct design than this one. --commando552 (talk) 05:43, 21 January 2014 (EST) Sorry, this is a misunderstanding, not a Danish product, but a Danish Manufacturer Part Number for a Swedish/Finish submachine gun.--Pandolfini (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2014 (EST)

Title

It should be Flame and Lemon or Lemons, depending on the meaning of the title, if you translate one then both should be translated. Most likely its Flames and Lemons. --Iceman (talk) 13:53, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Flame and Citron is an official title of USA release so according to IMFDB rules the title of the page here must be the same. Greg-Z (talk) 14:10, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Haven't seen the film, is the title related to names or surnames, I cheked the link it seems its the same in russian as well. --Iceman (talk) 14:49, 19 January 2014 (EST)

These are nicknames of two main characters: "Flame" is a readhead while "Citron" isn't from lemon but rather because the character was working in Citroën motor car company. Greg-Z (talk) 23:53, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Luger

It seems to me that Luger has a longer barrel than the standard P08, especially on the screenshot where the character with Luger is shot by German soldiers. Maybe this is a Marine Luger with 15-cm barrel? Greg-Z (talk) 00:05, 20 January 2014 (EST)I have the same feeling as you, Greg and I wanted to fix it, but the Naval Luger has a superstructure on barrel which is missing here. I do not know what it is for the type, but is longer, it is true.--Pandolfini (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2014 (EST) Aha! This is the artillery that with a superstructure on barrel! I understand and repaired and completed. Thanks Greg!--Pandolfini (talk) 02:50, 20 January 2014 (EST)

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Marine Luger P08 with 150 mm barrel - 9x19 mm

Bergmann pistol?

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Here we see two pistols. One of them is definitly Mauser C96 but the other one (at the right) seems to be a Danish licensed-manufactured version of Bergmann-Bayard, known as M1910/21. Here are several good images of Danish service Bergmann. Greg-Z (talk) 03:24, 20 January 2014 (EST)

A grenade?

A large hand grenade is seen in the trunk:

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It's seen between Suomi and Sten.

It differs from Mills bomb and it doesn't match any of Danish Army grenades of WW2 era. Maybe it's a makeshift bomb. Greg-Z (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2014 (EST) Yes, that right, I also do not know what is.--Pandolfini (talk) 10:50, 20 January 2014 (EST)

Fairly sure it is a German WW1 M1917 Eierhandgranate (Egg Hand Grenade). I don't know what fuse it has though (they were unfused and shipped to the front with a transit plug in place where they were then fitted with one of several different types of fuse they could accept), but here is a pic of a very similar one. --commando552 (talk) 11:56, 20 January 2014 (EST)