Talk:Live Free or Die Hard

Goofs?

Anyone else notice that he fired off, what, how many magazines in Farrells house before running out of ammo, like ten, or what?

I believe it was four mags, instead of 3 since he would have two in the pouch and one in the gun, so that was a mistake. What is more notable is how he fires close to 20 shots from each mag despite them only holding 7 shots each. Anyone notice how in the first film he managed to keep his Beretta loaded all the way to the end and here he wastes all his ammo in one firefight? If he had carried a "friend in need", a backup gun, he likely wouldn't have been left defenseless in the apartment once his SIG ran dry. Last thing, in the theatrical edition he tells Farrell he destroyed the helicopter with the car because he was out of bullets but he tells Matt he has mags in the glove compartment when they leave his apartment. In the unrated version, they changed what he said and this error went away.

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• • • It could of been the 9mm p226 which holds 20 rounds per magazine.***

A P226 holds 15 shots, not 20. And it has been confirmed as a P220 by the armorer of the film.

Can't a person get a 20 round mag for a 226? Also, wouldn't a 220 have to be his off duty weapon? The NYPD only allows 9mm and 38's.

I'd imagine they could, if one made such a magazine for that gun. And as for what the NYPD allows, real life =/= this movie. The gun's been long confirmed to be a P220R. So, in the Die Hard universe, that's what he was issued or allowed to carry. --Clutch 20:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, in regards to what is permitted by NYPD, McClane as a senior detective (he has been on the force for decades) probably has more freedome in what he can carry than an average patrol officer.

Mauser currently made a 20 round magazine for the SIG P226 using super-new spring technology, but that's in 9mm. You can't fit 20 rounds of .45 ACP into a standard magazine and not have it extend way past the grip. - Gunmaster45

Regarding the "I was out of bullets" remark, I'm guessing that probably had nothing to do with how much ammo he fired. That was probably just for humor. -Gunman69 23:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Who did it first - Die Hard or Lethal Weapon?

Not to say that you're wrong, but wouldn't the Lethal Weapon movies be just as much of an influence on the guns popularity in the US? I mean, Lethal Weapon came out a year before Die Hard and Mel Gibson and Danny Glover talk specifically about the the Beretta in the beginning. "9mm Beretta, 16 in the mag, one in the pipe,..."Danny Glover.

Not that it really matters, but Glover said 15, not sixteen. It would be 16 total bullets, but only 15 in the mag. This would also be true in real life, as all 92 mags only hold 10, 15, 17, 18, or 20 rounds. Acora 10:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I think both movies were equally influential in increasing the popularity of the 92FS. But, from my experience at least, Die Hard was the movie that made me want a 92FS from the age of 8 until I got one at 26.

Hmmmmm. I already had several 92F pistols when I saw Die Hard in the theaters....MoviePropMaster2008 09:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, have at it. --Clutch 05:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Then there's the fact that by the time Lethal Weapon came out, two A Better Tomorrow movies had already been released, both featuring the Beretta 92F prominently. BTW, interesting story I heard...has anyone ever noticed that there aren't too many Berettas in movies made in the U.K. during the 1980s (such as the James Bond movies of the time)? Apparently, this is because Bapty & Co.'s Beretta 92Fs and Taurus PT92s were rented out to so many Hong Kong productions in the '80s that they were never in inventory for use by domestic productions. -MT2008 15:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

F-35

The STOVL version actually doesn't have an internal gun, it mounts it in a ventral pod like the Harrier. I still don't think it has two like the Harrier does, so the page is right about it being inaccurate on that front. Dongs 19:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually know nothing about jets so I used all the information I could find on Wikipedia and IMDB. Hopefully I did a good job. :) - Gunmaster45

You did pretty good. Got some things wrong though but who i am to judge? I don't know nothing about jets either. I'm more of a Army and Marines guy.-Oliveira 20:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

well on like both of you i am a preaty big plane experet and some countries ( Canada norway and turky) but not USA are planeing to put two internal guns for a ground attack variant. --Armyguy277 13:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I've added corrected info about the gun pod and it's location. --Sidewinder Forge 05:23, 18 December 2011 (CST)

Corrected you slightly. I don't believe there was any clear information on where it was going to be mounted back in 2007, since I couldn't find any back when I was searching in 2009. Evil Tim 05:36, 18 December 2011 (CST)

Sad to see it Go

Anyone else saddened by the loss of Mclanes old Beretta for this new film? I'm not knocking the SIG P226, but the Beretta is Mclanes iconic pistol, and it deserved more then just a we cameo. M14fanboy

He actually uses a SIG P220, not a P226. -Gunman69 01:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I would much rather see him use a P220 than his old, rattletrap Beretta-S&Wshooter 01:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I think everyone knows you hate Beretta's, S&Wshooter. No need to keep going on and on about it. McClane started with a Beretta 92 he should have finished the series with one. It's basically like Dirty Harry not using a S&W Model 29. --Predator20 02:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it would have been cool to see Mclane use a Beretta Px4 Storm-S&Wshooter 02:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Um..................he does. Have you seen the page??? -Gunman69 02:39, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it would have been cool to see Mclane use a Beretta Px4 Storm

Is that a joke?

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Also, your profile says you hate SIGs, too. -MT2008 02:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh I totally forgot about that part. I don't hate SIGs as a whole, just how all the weight is at the top of the slide and that they are really fucking expensive (I'm BROKE and if I spend the amount that a SIG goes for, it'll be for a nice Smith and Wesson revolver-S&Wshooter 04:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

"Part"? He uses the PX4 Storm for half the damn movie! How can you be an IMFDB member if you don't read the page? Ugh...

Anyway, as for SIGs, the weight on the slide is a consequence of SIG stupidly switching to those cheaply and crudely CNC-milled slides on all their guns since 1996. Earlier SIGs, like my West German stamped-slide P226, are much less top-heavy. So, stick with the P228s and the older-model P220s and P226s. -MT2008 04:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

For whoever is pissed about me forgetting a part of a movie that I only saw once, shut up. As for the SIG discussion, I find that the P239 is a pretty nice gun, even though I haven't fired it, and their Hammerli pistol is an excellent target pistol-S&Wshooter 04:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

9x19mms and .38s are cute and all, but i prefer .45, particularily the MK23 SargeOverkill

OMG, so you only saw the movie once; haven't you looked at this page? We've got 7 pics of the Beretta!! BTW, thanks for the info on the SIGs, MT2008. :) -Gunman69 00:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not "pissed", sorry if I came across that way. But I just think it's hilarious that you're on a site which identifies guns in movies, and you constantly complain about guns you hate on this site, and yet you take NO time to actually read the site that you post on. You gotta admit it's hilarious. But whatever. -MT2008 01:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not that I didn't read the article, it's that I haven't read it in a month or so. I read every article that I see, so you are wrong- I do read the site I post on. I'm not going to hold your assumption against you, however, because you had no way of knowing that this is the third site I check whenever I go online-S&Wshooter 02:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

While I'm sad to see the Beretta go, since it's my favorite series of handguns (and I'm not particularly interested in getting into an argument over it), I do have to say that it was kinda cool that they had McClain acquire one of Beretta's latest pistols, as sort of a throwback to his original. Acora 10:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC) I think the P220 could be the one choosen because Live free or Die is New hampshire's state motto and SIG pistols are made here.--FIVETWOSEVEN 22:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Watch used

I was looking at another site and discovered the brand of the watch, worn by Emerson. It is handmade in Switzerland and sells from $15,000.00 to $70,000.00, depending on options. That is quite a watch for a thug to have.

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Emerson points his Heckler & Koch MP7A1 at McClane.

Well, quiet honestly, the watch is probably owned by the actor, and was just included in the movie because the actor was wearing it while they were shooting. I don't think they expected moviegoers to look up the kind of watch he was using.Acora 10:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Not for a major motion picture. The Props and Wardrobe department usually have everything for the actors, including their watches, ready so that an actor doesn't surprise everyone by showing up with a duct taped "hello kitty" watch.  ;) Everything, down to the socks (but NOT the underwear) are usually provided by wardrobe (in BIG movies) because any delay caused by something weird that the actor wore from home, costs time and money. Sure, an actor can request to have his own personal watch in a scene, but personal property is many times, not protected from loss by the production insurance if a prop watch is provided and rejected. It can be either way, but usually major motion pictures provide everything so that if there is loss or damage, they have a BOX full of backup watches to slap on the actor for the sake of continuity. MoviePropMaster2008 22:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

PS, as for the watch costing tons of $$, either they have a deal with the manufacturer to provide watches (like they do for James Bond Movies, tons of product placement on those films), or they use the tons of counterfeit or nonfunctioning watches available from prop houses. MoviePropMaster2008 22:39, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I understand. Thanks for clearing that up. Acora 19:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Holster

Any Chance at someone identifing what Brand/type of Shoulder Holster John uses? Spades of Columbia

If I were to guess it looks like a Galco shoulder rig of some kind, possibly a Galco Jackass. Very very comfy rig, I have one for a P226. If they are fit correctly they are incredibly comfortable to wear. --Cool-breeze 18:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

PX4

How do we know it was a 45? 24guns

I was thinking the same. I was looking at the screenshots and the bore size doesn't look big enough to be a .45 to me. But there aren't a lot of hugely clear shots of the bore to make a positive identification. --cool-breeze 15:01, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

Nobody said it was or wasn't a .45 in the first place anyway.Kornflakes89 02:14, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

It's been changed now but when I looked yesterday it did actually say in the Px4 section that it was a .45 ACP version in the film. But like I said today it's been changed to 9mm. --cool-breeze 05:26, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

Glockity Glock

Were the full size Glocks used in this actually 22's? I mean we see lots of pages where people think that Glocks use by FBI in films are actually 22's. Lots of the time they are wrong. And on this page it said, I quote "They are noted as such by their muzzle diameters and by the fact the FBI actually carries Glock 22s in real life." Of course it's another thing if they have been verified as such by the film's armorer (who apparently has generously given info on some of the other weapons used in the film). So, have they been confirmed as 22's by the armorer? Just wanna know, this thing's been bugging me for a while :) --Warejaws 19:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I dunno, but yes, we shouldn't justify it by the fact that the FBI carries Glock 22s in real life. The bore size is a legit argument. But I'd have to ask Steve if they were G22s. -MT2008 19:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

In the screenshots on here if you look really closely it looks like it says 17 on the slide, but it's hard to tell. --cool-breeze 18:33, 2 April 2011 (CDT)

Sticking Mags

Has anyone ever had the problem of sticking mags as shown in the movie, not just in a P220R, but in any gun.--MarineCorps1 22:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Never seen it with SIGs or any metal framed pistol, but I've seen it happen with Glocks (especially older Glocks loaded with older, well-used mags). Sometimes, the heat from firing the weapon repeatedly can cause structural distortions to the mags after extended use that cause them to rub against the inside of the grip, so that they won't drop clear of the gun when released unless you shake the weapon. The problem can be compounded by excess powder getting blown back into the action. And remember that blank ammunition (as used in this and other movies) burns much, MUCH hotter than live rounds and also make the weapon's action much dirtier, so I'm guessing that means you're more likely to see movie blank-adapted pistols experiencing the problem of sticking mags than live ones. -MT2008 19:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

One other thing I forgot to mention...the structural damage to the mags which cause them to "stick" can also come from them being dropped repeatedly. Sadly, guns and mags tend to experience FAR more abuse on movie sets than they would in real life. The movie armorers on here will tell you that actors will sometimes "improvise" and drop or throw down real guns (rather than the fake rubber "stunt guns" that are normally used for such purposes). It's possible that in the case of this movie, Bruce Willis kept ejecting his mags and letting them hit the floor rather than catch them, and over time, they got damaged and started "sticking" in the P220. And if his treatment of the MP5 in Die Hard 2 is any indication, Bruce Willis treats weapons pretty roughly. -MT2008 19:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

How easy is it to switch the mag release on those SIGs? That also could have have been the problem. One thing I noticed on my P220 if the magazine hasn't been seated in all the way (it will look like it is, but is a little bit out) you'll have to pull it out by hand or probably shake it out. Another thing since they knew the mags were going to be dropped on the floor they probably used shit or damaged mags as Matt said. Did Bruce mistreat a real MP5 or was it a fake one? But I think the worst gun mistreatment goes to Stallone in Rambo 3 with the M60. --Predator20 20:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I haven't tried to switch the mag release on my own SIG, but I'm pretty sure that's not the issue. Not to mention that I imagine they made sure the mag releases worked smoothly on all of the P220s (there was more than one used on-set) when they reversed them for Bruce Willis.

Did Bruce mistreat a real MP5 or was it a fake one?

I haven't been able to find out from any of the armorers on here, but I'm pretty sure it was a real MP5 that he threw down after he fired blanks at Dennis Franz. I say this because (1.) he ejects the magazine out of the weapon before he throws it down, all on-camera (rubber MP5s don't have magazines that you can remove), and (2.) most rubber MP5s have filled-in front sights due to the casting process, but the MP5 he throws down doesn't. So I think Bruce actually threw a real MP5 hard on the ground in that scene, and I'm guessing that this was an improvisation and also that Mike Papac must have been angry at him afterwards. -MT2008 22:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The reason for the Magazines Sticking is a very simple one: When you eject a mag normally, it just drops to the floor straight down. In a stylish action movie, this looks boring. Having Bruce Willis dramatically flip or throw each mag out of the gun and send it spinning into the air is more exciting that just Push-button-clack-floor. As I always say, if it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.

Missing Gun

When McClane chases the Terrorists to the Warehouse at the end, he shoots one of the Hackers. Even though he was just a Hacker, the camera points down to the Gun he's holding to show why McClane shoots him. It looked like a Beretta 92F, purhaps the same Gun from the previous films.