Talk:Casino Royale (2006)

Could someone identify the automatic weapons used in the final shootout in the sinking building.

JNA

Response from Anonymous: Two of Gettler's thugs are using H&K UMP.45s with laser scopes and silencers. They are clearly UMP.45s due to their forward handgrip and straightened clip.

UMP40s also have straight mags and you can put a forward handgrip on almost any submachine gun with rails. I'm not saying they're not UMP45s, but if that's all you're basing that on... -Funkychinaman

Tsk, Tsk, Magazine. A clip loads a magazine. A bolt action rifle like a Mauser 98 has an internal magazine which you load with a clip, or stripper clip in this manner. Now, if you refer to a magazine as a "clip", that would mean you would be loading a clip with a clip. ?? Now you can't load a clip with a clip because then you'd be smacking to en-blocs or stripper clips together like an idiot. And you can't load a magazine with a magazine, that also proves to be a problem. But you can load a magazine with a clip. See the confusion in using improper designation? -GM

Also, I really get sick of editing pages to replace the word "silencer" with "suppressor". -MT2008

To be fair several suppressor/sliencer manufactuters use the term "silencer" to describe there product, such as YHM, AAC, AWC, Gemtech, KAC and HTG. Also while speakaing with various employees of the said companies at the SHOT Shows, they often use the term "silencer". Gunner313

I think the point is you can never really fully silence a gun, but you can suppress it. --Predator20 05:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

To silence a gun 100% I would think is nearly impossible, but to lower the noise of the shot to below human hearing is probably feasible, but not practical. The "silencer" would be so large that the gun would be extremely barrel heavy, and the bullet would have to be subsonic prior to exiting said silencer. All these limit the gun's effectiveness, and lets face it, the point of a suppressor is to attract less attention to yourself when firing. At the range you'd be limited to, you might as well be holding a sign above your head saying, "I have a silenced gun!" At least that's what I think. Anyone care to comment? -Tal379

I wasn't talking about the definition of "silencer". But on the note of a " silencer". Example; on a two stroke motocross bike the rear portion of the exhuast is called the silencer and the front part the expansion chamber. No the silencer doesn't completey muffle the sound, it just reduces it. Yes it would make sense to only call it a muffler, but many words used to describe a product do not describe what it actually does. One last example off the top of my head refering to what an item does; ram air induction on a production vehicle doesn't ram air into the engine, it simple allows an easier path and an adaquate amount of air to reach the air/fuel mixture area. But it is still called ram air. You can't take the word "silencer" or any other name of a product and expect it to be an accurate representation of what the product does, it is just a name. Gunner313

Gunner. The ram air effect that you says doesn't do anything, on a 600cc motorcycle the ram air effect at speed can increase the engines power by as much as 8-10%, compared to what it has when stationary. So it does RAM air into the air box. How do you think the Ram Jet engine on the SR-71 Blackhawk works? Rob the Fiend

What does bond do when he's putting away his P99? it seems like he decocks just before he puts it aways yet this gun is a DAO and lacks a decocker from what i can see. what is he doing exactly? --FIVETWOSEVEN 20:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

@FIVETWOSEVEN: you´re talking about the Prague scene? well he is just decocking it, they´re several variants of the P99 and Bond is using the P99 AS (Anti-stress version) which has a decocker on the slide...

Bond is not using the P99 AS in this movie; he's using the first-generation (1990s) production model, the oldest version. He isn't actually decocking it; the foley editor just inserts the sound of the gun being decocked. Sound editors tend to be ignorant about how guns work, which is why you often "hear" actors cocking non-existent "hammers" on Glocks and other such pistols in movies whenever they're drawn. This is the same case. -MT2008 23:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

That´s right, he is using the first generation P99, and Walther changed the name of the current production P99 to P99 AS (that´s why I used the term "Anti-Stress"). But the technics (single/double action trigger) are the same on both weapons, and as a owner of a first generation P99 I can say that there is a decocker on the frame. And Bond is obviously using it as he puts his thumb exactly on the position of the decocking button and presses it down, which makes sense to carry his gun safe after using it. If you watch the scene in slow-motion, you´ll recognize it! -REAPER 04 February 2010

A P99 from the movie was photographed and uploaded here. If you look at the left side view, just in front of the rear sights, you can see the decocker button. --Crazycrankle 23:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

the unknown pistol looks like a H&K USP or Mk23 to me

Unknown Pistol

I'm pretty sure the unknown pistol used by Mr White is a suppressed Sig Sauer P226

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2. The gun looks like it has a rounded trigger guard, which rules out the SIG and the HKs. The Wierd It 12:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)