Talk:Neon Genesis Evangelion

NO EVA GUNS!

I'm sorry, but however those weapons look like to us, they are huge scale versions of real guns. Same with Halo, Team America, none of that here. Excalibur01 03:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

...then unprotect this page, delete the images I uploaded, and let me get back to work on the real gun sections here...--V 03:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

No mention of the Steyr ACR used by the EVAs? Okay, those were giant robot up-sized ACRs, so they probably don't count. What kinda of ammo did they fire anyways? Given the size of the EVAs it must have been something like 75mm!

The Pallet rifles aren't up scaled ACRs, the stock's the wrong shape. The Wierd It 13:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

If you up scaled a gun to that degree some change would be nesesary for the operating system, thus resulting in a slightly different buttstock. They were obviously meant to be ACRs.

EVAs also used Desert Eagle pistols and the British L96A1 sniper rifle.--Zurak 47 22:02, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

The initial version of this article I wrote up included the scaled-up versions of real-life guns the Evangelions use, but the admins forbade it. Apparently policy is that they're still not "real" guns, and shouldn't be here. Check out what I wrote up originally.--V 21:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I did and it should be deleted. We don't need 2 EVA pages Excalibur01

Just a call back to an earlier comment, pages are protected so that you HAVE to register on the site so we know who you are. Excalibur01

I think that Eva guns should be on the page. Despite the fact they are 'make believe' they are still based on real firearms. If you go look in the ghost in the shell page or pretty much any other anime page you find guns that don't exist. Why should they Eva guns not be put up? Because of their size?ShaDow XPS

Yes, solely because of their size. And because I said so. :P Excalibur01 18:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

RPG changed to Panzerfaust

Although it may look like an RPG, it is most defiantly the Panzerfaust. At first this was speculation on my part, but its a fact that JSDF uses this for real.--Tested

What makes you say its a Panzerfaust 3? I mean the one shot we have of them using it is at a bad angle and you can only see it from the back; what distinguishing features confirm its a Panzerfaust 3?--V 21:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

No Spoilers rule being violated here

Guys, removed the excessive explanation of the plot. It violates IMFDB's no Spoilers rule. MoviePropMaster2008 03:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

...how can you *possibly* have a no-spoilers rule at all? Its about the guns, of course its going to be spoilers.--V 18:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I went in and reorganized the page, and removed some of the spoilerific passages and walls of text. Hopefully that will make it a little easier to read.--PistolJunkie 17:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough that there is a spoilers rule in place, but people come for "information" -- there's no such thing as "a wall of text". (sigh)...well, your house, your rules...--V 18:44, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Gendo's gun a Walther PPK or CZ-75?

I've heard it identified as a CZ-75 before, and it certainly doesn't look like a PPK in the pic (PP/PPK pistols have their recoil spring around the barrel, not underneath, and therefore don't need an underlug).

It's too small to be a CZ 75 Excalibur01 14:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Could be a compact or even a RAMI subcompact. It looks more like a CZ from the front than anything else. Anyone got a side pic?

Here's a pic of my 75B from the same angle for comparison link title

And here's a PPK pic; angle's not exact, but should be close enough link title.

Ok, account created, edit made.Notamisfit 06:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Let me get thsi straight: a CZ-75 has that bulky part underneath the barrel, while a PPK slopes directly back underneath the barrel, and has a wider ring around the front? We could use a better comparison pick with a real life PPK held at the same angle. --V 19:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I looked. Sadly, I don't own a PPK. You're pretty much right on the underlug/lack of underlug though. CZ's and derivatives are relatively rare in that the underlug doesn't possess a full-length guide rod or recoil spring plug. (EDIT: Another thing; in the pic on the main page, the slide is clearly less wide than the frame. That points to internal slide rails, which points to the CZ (or SIG P210, and that's no SIG). Notamisfit 21:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually I have seen several people say they thought it was a SIG Sauer P229. What makes you say its not a SIG? And please use layman's terms, for I am a layman (what does "underlug" mean?). Our problems stem from that we only ever see Gendo pointing the gun directly at the camera, and most gun displays show them from the side. And its not a PPK because those have sloped underlugs?--V 22:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

What I refer to as the "underlug" is the full-length part of the slide underneath the barrel. This is to accomadate the recoil spring. In a locked-breech firearm like the CZ, this is (by tradition, if nothing else) underneath the barrel, hence the "underlug." In a blowback firearm like the PPK, the recoil spring is *around* the barrel, hence no "underlug." As for the SIG, the SIG P210 is a very different weapon from the later SIGS, and the only one to have internal slide rails (The P220 series and later models like the P229 have external slide rails, and hence, a slide that is wider than the frame). EDIT Oh yeah, and the P220/P229 has a full-length guide rod, so there'd be another round thing underneath the barrel if it was one. 72.214.101.161 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, the problem is that the original picture I loaded (in haste) is from the crappy English-dub release of the movie, made by Manga Entertainment (infamously one of the worst DVD transfers ever made, and for such a high-profile project). Going back to the pristine Japanese original version, I've now got a high-quality picture of the same scene loaded up, without all the shadow problems. Now you can clearly see that there is some sort of switch on the side of the gun, near the handle. This may be a vital clue. Is this switch something that the CZ-75 has? Is this a key distinction between a CZ-75 and a SIG P200 series? (Would a SIG have a switch like that?). And to recap: the "underlug" part of a PPK is sloped and would never look that blocky?--V 23:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

That is a much better copy. The "switch" is either the slide release or the safety (EDIT: It's the slide release; the "thumb" part's in the rear). And just looking at the gun (see my photo above) I can say with no doubt that is a CZ-75B (EDIT: slide thinner than the frame; check. flattened top; check. CZ-style front and rear sights; check. The front part of the trigger guard (the serrations) is also consistent with the CZ-75B) . 72.214.101.161 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Glock 17 vs CZ-75

This is not a design question but a performance question: what is the functional difference between a CZ-75 and a Glock 17? What's special about the CZ-75, which would make Gendo prefer to use it instead of the standard-issue Glock 17? Ritsuko's revolver is different, but that made a lot of sense: she's not supposed to have a gun, so she would want to use one that is specifically meant to be concealable. Misato uses an HK USP, which is a bigger gun than a simple Glock 17 (and no one thinks its weird, because unlike Ritsuko the scientist, Misato is head of the tactical division and thus *supposed* to have a gun). So what's great about the CZ-75?--V 23:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Many of us who own CZ'a as opposed to Glocks consider them to be better weapons ;). Seriously, there's no reason, just like there's no reason for Misato to own a USP instead of a Glock. Many manga and anime include a wide variety of esoteric weaponry for no other reason than to show off. That being said, CZ's are very common pistols outside of the United States (kind of like the Browning Hi-Power), whereas in the US it's mostly 1911 derivatives and Glocks. 72.214.101.161 02:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

What variant of HK USP does Misato use?

The loading shot shows an 18-round magazine (nine visible holes, double stack), suggesting it's a 9mm model. The Wierd It 20:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that Misato fires 10 rounds, and all three main USP variants have a bigger capacity than that. Normally it says right on the side what version it is, but they didn't bother animating that. I..doubt its a .45 ACP because those are apparently slightly bigger. I can see nine holes, yes...what does "double stack" mean? Why does that suggest 9mm? I mean, we don't see her inserting the entire magazine into the gun start to finish, the camera cuts in after she's already inserted the top part into the gun. A .45 has 12 rounds, a .40 has 16 rounds. I'm saying it might be a .40 and the top half of the magazine is just obscured because the top half is already inside of it.

does anyone own one or all of the USP variants, so you can take a picture of the magazine? A key point of contention/piece of evidence is what the magazine looks like from behind, but most online pictures just show already-loaded guns. --V 18:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

All right, time to clarify what I meant, since I probably dropped the ball quite badly. There are nine visible holes on the side of the magazine, which show how many rounds are left in it. "Double Stack" is actually me mangling the terminology a bit (the proper term is "staggered column") means that there's two columns of bullets in the magazine, typically staggered so it feeds one at a time. Further more, we only see one side of the magazine, so it should only be dealing with the rounds in the left column. 9 rounds each side x2 = 18. It's also more likely to be a 9mm or a .40 S&W since the .45 was still relatively new at the time the series was made (Introduced May 1995, first episode aired October 10th, 1995). Of course, this is all conjecture, nothing canon pegs the calibre. The Wierd It 21:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm therefore unwilling to say with finality exactly which variant it was supposed to be. I guess we'll just leave it as it is. --V 23:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Got a friend who said he use to work at GAINAX and helped with the character design. He said they planned to use a MK23 SOCOM at first to show that Misato is a gun nut. Maybe they just made a fictional .45 USP that "happens" to be real. Or maybe because of the flexibility of NGE(episodes made hastily before airing to suit oppinion or ideas), they gave Misato the "futuristic" USP. This gun appears relatively late, so there is time for editing anyway.--Teslashark

I'm going to have to question the credentials here, just to be sure. The Wierd It 20:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Er...I'm sorry, but we need more proof than "I heard it from someone". Further...Misato's HK USP doesn't look "futuristic", it looks entirely normal.--V 23:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Let's just say that Misato got a normal regular USP, but in the future, they make mags for it that is 18 rounds of 9mm. Excalibur01 02:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

• HALT!! HAMMERZEIT!! 9mm 18-round mags exist as the supplied mags for the USP Match and USP Expert in 9mm. I have a PDF of the USP manual from before 2000 (when H&K was still selling the Match) that clearly says it.--HashiriyaR32 02:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, have the 18 round 9mm mags been around for 10 years because this anime was made in 1995? Excalibur01 14:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that I don't know. I only know that they stopped making the Match in '99, and that the Expert (which came in '98) came after the Match.--HashiriyaR32 18:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Weapon in NGE comics?

There are several weapons that only appears in the manga version of NGE but not the anime. OK to put those up? I don't thike we need a second page.- Teslashark.

Nothing from the manga, please. Excalibur01 02:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably not...but what weapons were in the manga that weren't in the anime?--V 18:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I can remember a revolver with a laser sight, at least.

What Volume, which character?--!V 23:47, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

In Vol. 8, Stage 55, a revolver with a laser sight is used in an assassination. Despite the laser sight, the character being shot chides the shooter for lousy aim before the killing blow is scored. To say anything about who it was used on or who was using it would be a major SPOILER. --Mazryonh 14:35, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay I checked that volume and I'm fairly sure it was a Ruger Speed Six revolver, with an attached laser sight. I don't think they let us talk about the manga on here. Further, the manga is a separate continuity and has no real bearing on the show. At any rate, the point was just to confirm to fans that the shooter was just some anonymous security agent sent by either Gendo or Seele; they *never* intended for us to start guessing it was any of the named cast members, it wasn't even supposed to be a mystery. I.e. the director's cuts tried to emphasize this more. So years later when working on the manga, Sadamoto made it a point to actually show the gun that was fired, for the effect of "oh look, its not like the guns that any of the other characters use, its not anyone we knew". --V 00:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Yep, but it's still strange to me that the weapon wasn't a suppressed one given that it was an assassination. And furthermore, the manga was started in 1994, before the TV series. I liked it better than the TV series--it's just too bad the manga won't be finished before the Rebuild movies finish. But maybe we'll see more guns in the Rebuild movies soon. --Mazryonh 17:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

No. The TV series was conceived of in 1993, and Gainax infamously ran into long production delays. From the start, they did want the manga to hit store shelves slightly before the TV series...purely as a promotional tie-in. The entire conception and purpose of making "an Eva manga" was to cross-promote with the TV show, which was their original idea. As it turned out, the manga was out something like a full year ahead of the TV show's premiere episode -- far longer than they planned -- due to the incredible production delays on the TV show. But given that this was 15 years ago, it is increasingly irrelevant. The point is that if we have to categorize them as "a TV show based on a manga comic" or "a spinoff manga comic got made based on the TV show", the Sadamoto Eva manga falls into the "manga based on TV show" category. It came out a bit earlier to try to create buzz for the TV show which was in development already. --V 16:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

"Production delays" were part and parcel of Gainax in those days, so much so that blatant animation-saving measures are quite visible in the original episodes. I daresay that the choice to use G11s in EoE was one minor way they could save animation budget so they wouldn't have to animate shell casings.--Mazryonh 17:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

What kind of Glocks do they use?

I had thought it was Glock 17's, but I'm not sure about the fine distinctions between the several Glock variants. Remember, the movie was made in 1997 so it could only be Glock models that existed up to that year. --V 23:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It definitely looks like a full size Glock, but since we never get any clues about the calibre we can't be sure. It could therefore be a 17, 20 or a 22, at the very least. I don't know when the 31 or 21 were introduced. The Wierd It 07:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought, for full size service semi-automatics in Japan whether law enforcement or military 9mm Parabellum is the only standard round. PraetorianD 02:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Be in mind, this show took place in the future where the excuse is that they can have whatever they want since Japan is at the forefront of military tech, though in the movie they did mention that their defense budget was lowered gradually for no reason Excalibur01 23:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Why G11 in Other weapons?

The HK G11 was supposed to be a future assault rifle, so why put it in the Other Weapons section? Excalibur01 23:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)