Talk:Death Sentence

1911 or 1991?

Stop changing this back to a straight 1911, it's a 1991, the slide markings and gun build show that.

No, your wrong there, is no such thing as a 1991, a 1911 made in 1991 is still a 1911.

You're wrong. There are different models of the 1911, so there are different names for those models. You can't just call them all one name because they originated from that one model.

Colt made the M1991A1 picking up from the serial number of the last 1911s they had made. The gun Kevin Bacon uses is very clearly a M-1991A1. It is very obvious in the scene in the shed. The 1991 grips were black polymer with the Colt logo in the middle. Check it and see.

Exactly! Thank You!

You are still wrong, I realize that there are many models of 1911. But they are still 1911's weather Colt, Springfield, or even Sig makes them. Colt had several models but NONE OF THEM were ever called "1991" BOO YAH!

You are ALL wrong. First, Colt DID make a M1991A1, and it had black RUBBER grips with the Colt logo in the center, not plastic polymer. Second, Several 1911 variants have black grips, even if only ones made by Colt have the Colt logo, that black grip was not exclusive to the 1991. Third and most important, This is NOT a M1991A1. you can see that if you pause it almost anytime when the thug has it on the garage roof scene, as well as in the final gunfight right after Kevin Bacon kills the black dude. Yes boys, this was a movie set, not real life, so they recycle props. It's the same gun both times. Both times you get a good look at the slide and it DOES NOT read M1991A1. Lets give this one a rest

Colt 1991 pistol: http://www.proguns.com/colt-1991series.asp

• Can we have some screencaps of this? This discussion is pretty interesting to me.

The rollmarks on the 1991A1 Colt's are very large, on the screencaps I took I didn't see it. So I went with 1911. Most likely some off brand. --Predator20 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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Pump shotgun help

I though this was a Winchester 1200, but it has a rounded bolt. The receiver is closest to a Stevens 67, but the magazine tube end isn't the same. I got tired of looking. --Predator20 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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Possible misquote?

There is a screencapped picture of Bones holding the Desert Eagle. Underneath it says: "...half cannon." I could've sworn he said "Hand cannon." That would make more sense IMO.

The way John Goodman ("Fred Flintstone" in another movie) pronounces it "half cannon," actually. Maybe the script originally meant for Goodman to say "Half cannon, half sword of justice!"--Mazryonh 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nick's weapons choices

All in all, what is the general opinion on the guns Nick opts for. Here's what I think:

Rossi Overlander-Not a very good choice, because of the slow reload time. Although, it is shown that Nick is relatively unfamiliar with firearms, so the simplicity may have been why he chose it.

1911-Good. All-around solid gun.

Colt Python-I believe picked more for intimidation than combat use. Nick like that the gun was big and scary looking.

What do y'all think?

My real question is why he didn't go to a gun show and get some real firepower. There's plenty of firepower to be had there, without many people asking questions, like Maadi ARMs. The Overland shotgun is a bit cumbersome, optimized for hunting animals and not for shooting other people when they're filling you full of holes while you're trying to reload, so I think it was purely an aesthetic choice on the Director's part, so the viewers could see the intimidating sight of a long gun with the constant sound of Nick loading it and racking it closed. But if the gang members could get pump action shotguns, why not Nick?

The Colt M1911 is good as a backup weapon, but sometimes I wonder if it's a double-stack variant given how many times he fired without reloading during the final gunfight. For practicality reasons, maybe he should have gotten a 9x19mm firearm loaded with JHPs instead for a "last ditch weapon." I can only see FMJ bullets in the screenshots. --Mazryonh 22:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

You're showing your Britishness again. (1.) The Maadi ARM has not been imported to the U.S. for over 20 years, so unless you stumble upon an (over-priced) pre-89 example, you're not gonna find them, (2.) FFLs at gun shows are subject to the same regulations that apply anywhere. -MT2008 22:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

"You're showing your Britishness again." Yes he is. There is no gun show loophole, if you've been to one you'd know. I have been to several gun shows. It's usually about 90 to 95% dealers that are subject to paperwork. Very few individuals. Nick did not have a record and could have easily went into a gun store and bought what he needed no problem, but he needed them right then. About Nick's weapon choices I guess the double barrel was chosen because that might have been what he hunted with years before and knew how to operate. He had a hard time figuring out the 1911 and Python. He could have picked up the 870 off Baggy, but didn't because he didn't know to use it most likely. The 1911 was a single stack with the reloading cut out, like they do in most films. He is seen reloading it in the stairwell though.--Predator20 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)