Talk:Avatar

Proper categorization of images

Guys, please. If you have behind the scene images, please put the term [ [ C_tegory : Behind the Scenes Image ] ] in the text box when you upload it, or at least edit the image to have that tag. Thank you. (Note, I put a _ in place of the letter A so that the Wiki code won't get confused.....) MoviePropMaster2008 03:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

some of the rifles look like a Experimental MR-C bullpup assault rifle Rex095

Has Crye even put together a working prototype of one yet? Spartan198 21:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I have the feeling that the guns are going to be like the pulse rifle almost impossible to tell what guns is underneath...If any. Rex095

has the general shape of the MR-C but has the same look as the Modified M60 machine gun. Rex095

the guns could not be real guns but look like there firing thou CGI effect?

Except for the M60 based gun, most of the other guns look like fake props. All of their firing are CGI, so they are not build ups from real guns, like in Aliens. I just saw the flick and they really looked like 'built from the ground up' props. Too bad. It kinda makes the Avatar page here to be a lame one, since we are limited in what info we can provide to the general public regarding information. MPM2008

I can see why because there mostly filming in enclosed spaces, and went for CGI firing for safety. Rex095

I don't remember all of it but I remember watching a behind-the-scenes segment and they showed them actually firing the weapons as they produced muzzle flashes though it was never explained if they were real or not.--ThePotShot 01:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

they could have used real guns for the shooting and had non firing versions for extra? Rex095

There are definitely some real weapons firing blanks in this movie; I don't think that all of the gunfire was CGI. I watched it on HD last night, and it looks to me as though the assault rifles have either an AK- or Mini-14-style action inside. But I'm pretty sure that given this movie's budget and the time spent in development, Weta could have built them from the ground-up as all-new designs, just for Avatar (the company has its own armory, BTW). It's not like any of these weapons are that different mechanically from standard assault rifles and shotguns; they just look different. -MT2008 14:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

break open revolver

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Possibly an MP412 Rex

with a scope a laser sight?

A Revolver would be a good choice for enclosed environment. one less brass flying everywhere and getting lodged in sensitive machinery, and forces the user to aim more, and not hit sensitive machinery. Rex095

found this video on the net http://surrealaward.com/avatar/videobroll04.shtml --AdAstra2009 20:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

only six shots, and no brass, it a revolver Rex095

when did he break it open i never him do that in the movie-Doomsayer64

I'm pretty sure its not an MP412. They never really made them besides prototypes to my knowledge Probably easier and cheaper to mock up a regular revolver. I don't ever recall him breaking it open either so guessing its a normal solid frame mock up. Epic movie btw! -Furious Oyster

Remember tho, the Marines were all mercenaries now so it could be its just a custom weapon the Colonel uses modified with some extra gear. I didnt get a close enough look at the peice used by the crew cheif during the main battle so I can't say for sure, just a guesss--Kellers357

The Colonel is the only on carrying this gun, so it must be a persion sidearm

According to the avatar wiki the Wasp can be acquired privately by RDA soldiers. also the wasp can kill or injer most pandora wildlife with 6 shots. if the gun is that good, and the RDA standard issue sidearms look like most modern 9mm pistols, then is must be an expensive Revolver. if it was cheap it would be the RDA standard issue sidearm. Rex095

Pistol

in the http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7953/catalogueweta2.jpg image the pistol looks like a star trek phaser. Rex095

Is it just me or does it look like the pistol from Halo? Actually, most of the gear reminds me of Halo! - GunEnthusiast

he did make Aliens, and the gear form Halo is aspired by the gear in Aliens. Rex095

Besides the M60, I haven't recognize what the other guns are. Excalibur01 04:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I realise he made Aliens but the pistol just looks strikingly similar to the one from Halo and the rotorcraft looked so much like Pelicans! GunEnthusiast

the Aerospatiale SA-2 Samson look more like the UH-1 Iroquois (Huey), and the pistols have longer slide.

They do look more like Huey and also a Hornet from Halo 3 combined with the double propellers. Halo is pretty much based on Aliens, so why not James Cameron steal off of Halo? Excalibur01 08:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

If you compare the Avatar Marines helos to the USMC's you'll see a strong resembles, Hueys and Cobras you know?

I get that, but the gunship reminds me of the Pelicans - GunEnthusiast

all the Vehicles look practical, and could really work. The Dragon, look like they combined the idea of the C-130, and a gunship. Rex095

The helos and gunships are clearly based on the Marine´s dropship from Aliens (that´s what I call the "Cameron Style"). Just look at the external cockpits:

http://pony-hp.web.infoseek.co.jp/DROPSHIP/DROPSHIP-23.JPG

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/b/bb/Dragon.jpg

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/d/d2/Scorpion.jpg Markost 01:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

unknown Bullpup rifle

there is a third tip of rifle used by the humans. Colonel Quaritch use it to shot at the escape Samson, Norm Spellman, and Trudy Chacon are seen holding the same tipe of rifle. i think it had the same base as the other rifles but has a different barrel.

Never mind it was the unknown Bullpup pump-action shotgun.

You guys ever heard of the MRC? Made by Crye Associates, prototype, bullpup caseless rifle looks just like those. Albiet with a few mods.RedJedRevolver 01:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

File:Http://www.imfdb.org/images/4/48/Avatar 21006.jpg the soldier's rifle on the far left has a different ejection port than the props which is open and features a Mini 14s's charging handle.--FIVETWOSEVEN 23:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

grenades

Jake at one point in the film pull grenade pins out with his teeth. it is possible but since he was in an his 10 foot tall Avatar at the time, and they were human grenade which he taped two together just to hold the properly.

The Grenades are the cylinder design like smoke grenade, and Stun Grenade.

Are they really true grenades? Looking too big. Maybe ad hoc converted warheads from Trudy's Samson (since she doesn't use missiles attacking Quaritch)?

they were Grenades,Jake just taped two together just to hold the properly

but still each of the two seems too big and resembling more of smoke grenade than HE hmmm

The RDA could be making there own grenades?, everything they can make on Pandora the do make. they may make more power full grenades because of the size and toughness of Pandora wildlife. the picture of the table of guns have some grenade next to a rifle for size comparison. Rex095

Drawings (Moved from main page)

here are the links to drawings I made of the SIR and PDW according to the "Human Hardware" featurette :

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6982/avatarsir1.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4720/avatarpdw.jpg

and here is a picture of the whole "armory" from WetaNZ, picture found on the "Avatar Movie Zone " blog "surrealaward.com/avatar/imagesvmagazines.html", from the Cinefex images slide show:

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7953/catalogueweta2.jpg

you can see a Long Range Sniper Rifle that is not seen in the movie

(thank you in advance to the one who'll integrate those drawings to the article)

it looks like the Long Range Sniper Rifle is using the same reserve as the shotgun. I think I read in the avatar wiki that the shotgun used 20mm shell. I think that is was desined to be used as a shotguns,sniper rifle and a grenade launcher. Rex095

I think that some of the description about the weapon is strange. I bought "Avatar the activist survival guide" and according to the book,GS-221 was manufactured by ISBF Protection Solutions,not by Matanza. And I took a close look at the weapon's description and the picture,I found out they were not even the same gun at all. Actually,I think that GS-221 might be the M60 we were discussing about. Please inform me if I am wrong , thank you!

MP-5K Side-arm?

When Quaritch (I believe that's his name) was making his speech about how dangerous Pandora is, he had a weapon in a holster, the pistol grip was hollowed out, so I figured it couldn't have been a handgun. (one that takes a mazgazine anyway.) It looked to me like the hollowed out handgrip of an MP-5. My guess, the MP-5K PDW. Now my question is this, IF that's an MP-5K, how in the world is that going to perform against a target that has "naturally occuring carbon fiber" in it's bone structure? The MP-5 doesn't perform as well against human targets let alone one of those. --Camden Hennis 17:31, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Quaritch uses a SN-9 WASP Break-open Revolver as his main side arm not a MP5. according to the avatar wiki most of the machines use depleted plutonium rounds. I would assume the same for there rifle as well. also Quaritch Revolver is said to shoot 9 millimeter hypervelocity sabot rounds. even with the special ammo and high caliber gun the Navi are still very hard to kill. according to the script Tsu'tey is talks a burst form a rifle to the chest, falls of the Valkyrie shuttle and still docent immediately die. this is probably why they have the AMP suits with 30mm cannons. Rex095 ~