User talk:MoviePropMaster2008 (Archive)

Most of my uploaded firearms pics were photographed by me and thus offered for use by IMFDB with my permission.

BTW: Please IDENTIFY yourself when you leave a message. I shouldn't have to sleuth your identity through the Wiki/History page to figure out who asked what. ;) Thanks.

M70

Hi,

Do you think we should really have a separate page for the Zastava M70, instead of just putting it under the AK-47 page, as we did for the Type 56? - MT2008

I see your point. However, my personal criteria is that we should keep all conventional 7.62x39mm AK-type assault rifles on one page. Although the M70 series are by no means straightforward AK-47/AKM copies (due to the ladder sight and the mix of stamped receiver with traditional AK layout, like on the Type 56), they are still basically pretty conventional rifles, as opposed to say, the Norinco Type 86 or the Saiga and Vepr series. I feel it'd probably be better to keep the M70 on the AK-47 page, especially since I haven't seen any movies yet that feature weapons like the M76 or M77. This is, of course, sort of a gray area and one of the biggest problems with this site, IMO.

Also, I feel compelled to point out...there's an episode in Ultimate Force where "Russian" soldiers are actually seen using M70Bs and Type 56s, which is of course ridiculously inaccurate (the episode takes place in the present-day Chechen conflict).

RE: RE: Studio Weapons

You more than answered the question, thank you. I have seen some pictures of places that do the rentals and, frankly, privately list them as places I would most want to work. "No we don't have a .50 cal minigun on the shelves but I can check in the back." Once again thanks for the info and for the earlier compliments. Incidentally, I am working on a new one..."Farewell to the King" (1989)..should have it ready in a few days.

Do studios still keep their own "arsenals"? I was given the impression that most, if not all, firearms for movies were in the private sector.

RE: Images

No skin off of my nose what images you use mate. Fact of the matter is, when you boil it down, pretty much all the images we are using on here are not "legal". So which ones you use, from whatever site are ok with me. Frankly, as far as I go, I try to only use images which do not have another web site's watermark on them.

RE:

First of all, cheers for the update on the Type 84 picture. There's no hurry; I understand if it takes a while to get the appropriate mags (since obviously, a Type 84 doesn't look very different from a Type 56 without them).

Second, while I don't speak for everyone on here, I can say that I personally do not have any problem with you replacing pictures of guns on this site (even those that I uploaded) with any that you took. Nor do I see why anyone else would. The only reason I can imagine anyone getting offended would be if they went to the same effort you do to get the guns and photograph them on their own. But pretty much everyone else on here just uploads pictures they copied from other gun sites, in some cases airsoft web sites (like that picture we used to have of the SP89, which was just an airsoft MP5K fitted with an SP89 handguard from DenTrinity; terrible!). And it doesn't take much time or effort to copy and upload someone else's work.

Additionally, your gun photos are obviously of superior quality to anything else on here, and they're of guns that have actually appeared in movies (possibly the same movies as the pages they're on), so as far as I am concerned, there really isn't any reason why we can't replace any existing photos of guns with the ones you've taken. In fact, I would encourage you to not be so timid in the future when it comes to replacing photos. If you want an example of what I mean by this, take a look at the Armalite AR-18 page. Your AR-18 picture is way better than any of those on the page, so I don't see any reason why you can't just remove some of the others (maybe keep ONE of the other photos of the gun with the scope, and even that could be replaced if you took an equivalent picture).

One thing I will point out, though: I have sometimes used pictures on my pages that are from the web site of Rick Washburn's company Weapons Specialists, Inc. (http://www.weaponspecialists.com/index.php). They provided the guns for I Am Legend, so the page for that movie now features pictures of the guns used in the film that I copied and uploaded from them (including the tan-framed Mark 23). In cases like that, I'd prefer those particular photos stay up (you'll know them because I always provide links and info mentioning where they're from) because they feature the actual movie guns, and they're decent quality. Besides that, I don't have any problem with you replacing any and all photos of guns on this site with yours.

Chinese Type 56

First of all, I GREATLY appreciate the photo you took of one of the Goldeneye AKs for me. I didn't know you had access to any British armories?

However, I have one question: Do you think it's really appropriate to classify the Chinese Type 56 rifles with stamped receivers as "AK-47" and "AKS-47" clones, as opposed to AKM/AKMS derivatives? I realize that the Type 56s with stamped receivers lack just about all of the other features of the AKMs (including the muzzle break, ribbed receiver cover, rate reducer, grip rails, narrower front sight, etc.), but I've usually heard them described as AKM copies simply to distinguish them from the earlier milled-receiver versions. I know this is an over-simplification of sorts because the Type 56s aren't really orthodox AK-47s or AKMs (they're more like a weird hybrid version), but I figured it would be more appropriate.

Well, I would say I know the differences between the two. I must point out that I own a Chinese AK (mine was imported by Golden State Arms and simply has 'AK47S 7.62x39mm - Made in China' stamped on the receiver). I was simply curious whether the presence of a stamped receiver on the Type 56 made it worthy of being designated an AKM variant or not.

Personally, I think the best bet might be to literally just create a new sub-entry for the Type 56 under the AK-47 page and then we can focus on finding any and all movies that feature the Type 56 and putting them under there. This would reflect best the fact that the Type 56 is sort of a weird hybrid AK-47/AKM with distinctly Chinese characteristics (such as the hooded front sight), which most other AK derivatives (like the Maadis) don't have.

Haha, no offense taken, just wanted you to know I'm not a complete newbie when it comes to AKs, though obviously you completely blow me out of the water. Anyway, I would definitely appreciate the Type 84 pic whenever you get a chance. Not sure if there's anything else I need at the moment...but I would strongly encourage you to just take pictures of whatever you can get your hands on. As I've said, it's really great that we have you because this site is full of pictures that are copied from sites like world.guns.ru or (in some cases) AIRSOFT websites (i.e. the SP89 picture that we used to have before I replaced it).

BTW, these are some incredible pics you've gotten us lately, moreso than usual. How on earth did you get that Romanian AIMS from "44 Minutes"? Do you know Thell Reed, too? Also, I'm going to do a LITTLE bit of additional work on the Type 56 entry, and I think I'm also gonna ditch the AKS-47 one for now (simply because there don't seem to be any movies I'm aware of that have actual milled-receiver Russian AKS-47s or close copies) and move all the Type 56-1 entires down. If you disagree, you can revert (or partially modify) the edits and I won't mind. Also, good work on the RPG-7 article getting the Type 69 mentioned (it's something I wanted to do myself - mostly because "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" also has a Type 69).

Re: Editing Dogs of War

Thanks for the info. I've seen those guns in a whole bunch of movies and I always wondered what they were, who made them, and why. I think they've also appeared in a couple episodes of The A-Team and a Chuck Norris movie or two.

I have some great screenshots of the fake Uzis which I took for my Raw Deal page (I've been meaning to work on it for ages, but so far, I just never have managed to get around to it). Here they are:

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Re: image

Sorry for the mixup. Feel free to replace the image with a better one if you have one handy. It's good to have a professional armourer on the site to help out, you've been doing some good work so far. Orca1 9904 10:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904

Contact?

I was wondering, is there any way we could chat off-site? I'd enjoy the opportunity to talk with you about your work as an armourer and about some various weapons and films. My contact info can be found on my user page. I hope to hear from you soon, and wish you well. Orca1 9904 22:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904

Red Dawn

OK, I was simply confused because I thought you were saying that the Egyptians didn't call the full-auto version they made for their armed forces the Misr, which would contradict almost every book and web site on AKs I've read. You obviously know far, FAR more than I do, so I think it's perfectly fine if you want to edit the page to refer to the guns as Maadi ARMs. Perhaps it might also be reasonable to put in a note that the ARM is the semi-automatic version of the Misr or something? Also, please post the picture of the "Red Dawn" AKM you took.

Appreciate your contributions, and (especially) your photographs. It's really cool that we have somebody like you on here. Do you by chance have any pictures of the Norinco/Poly Tech AKs that the rental armories purchased in the 80s? A long, LONG time ago, somebody put one of them up for sale on GunBroker; I wish I had saved the picture. I'm also curious to know if you have pics of the Norinco Type 84...I've been trying to get a good one to add to the Casino Royale page and my Harsh Realm page for a while now.

Wow, thanks! Yeah, I'd prefer the basic fixed-stock configuration since the ones in Casino Royale and Harsh Realm seem to have that (except the wood on the CR guns looks like it can't be factory), but I wouldn't encourage you to go TOO far out of your way, as I recognize you must be really busy.

Which armory is it that you have access to?

Re: My two cents on the Hulk Launchers

Yeah, I think you're probably right...it looks to me that the armorers were shooting for an M32 look but couldn't get the real deal, so they took civilian launchers (most likely DefTech) and modified them heavily. I notice that there seem to be a lot of 37mm launchers which are depicted as HE grenade launchers in movies (i.e. Colt 37mm Flare Launchers substituting for M203s). I guess this is another case of the same deal.

Sure, you can re-post the CZ99 pic. It isn't "mine"; I took it from world.guns.ru, which is where many of the photographs of guns on this site come from (as you can imagine, that's why I'm happy to have someone like you who is willing to give us original photos, especially when they're of actual movie guns).

Thanks

The Dogs of War was one of my first "efforts" here. I knew, already, that you saw a guy running around with a MAC-10 during the weapons training phase but did not know there was one of those cheesy ass "fake" Uzis. Oh, the same goes for the Car-15s.

Incidentally, I forget what movie I saw it in but there was a fake Uzi in it and the foregrip on it was rotated so that the front sight was actually pointed downward!!!

Hey

Hey MoviePropMaster, I'm Alienqueen11, and I seen the images you have uploaded, and they're great. I also want to know if you can do me a favor, if you can upload a picture of a Remington 870 with Ghost Ring Sights and a High Capacity Tube like the one in the screenshot below for the Dawn of the Dead (2004) page, I would greatly appreciate it, and great work so far.

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Thanks

Thanks for complitementing my knowledge on guns, I also reverted a version of one of your MP5 pictures because someone copied over it with an airsoft image, I really wish some people would checked the thing while they're uploading an image to make sure the name isn't already used to avoid mistakes like this. And once again, thanks for your contributions and keep up the good work. Alienqueen11.