Talk:The Rock

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Not a soldier

I remember one of the lines that stood out for me at the end when Major Baxter (David Morse) called Darrow a soldier and the man correctly replied that he isn't a soldier, since he's a Marine, but though obviously no one corrected anyone. The script was saying for Darrow to say he isn't a soldier, he's a mercenary because he's turned into a hired gun. Excalibur01 04:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I just cringed at that line, because the whole idea of a Marine calling themselves or another Marine a "soldier" is the kind of thing you'd think any moron would know is wrong. Of course, this is a Michael Bay movie we're talking about. -MT2008 05:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I laughed at that part, too, but I think the word "soldier" is used metaphorically in this case. Spartan198 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

The fake XM177?

In this thread, those XM177 are regarded as fake......As some of you may think that a real XM177 should come with a 10" barrel , a A1 style upper receiver and a XM177-style flash hiders(in 3.5")......

Unquestionably, some of the 'XM177s' are not the real XM177s....they are with 11.5" barrels,A2 style upper receivers and some civilian-type-lower receiver....

Well, Actually, Some of the XM177s in the movie are Pure/Real XM177E2..... XM177E2 comes with a 11.5" barrel,A1 style upper receiver,XM177E2-style flash hiders(in 4.5" or 4.25" )........ I deem that we can separate these guns as "Real XM177E2" and "AR-15 variation"(those fake XM177 which are not true/pure)

P.S Can someone tell me what's the exact length of the XM177E2-style flash hiders? 4.5" or 4.25"? Because some of the websites indicated the length is 4.25" while the others indicated that's 4.5"

If you've ever read our section on the M16 page for the XM177 carbines, we explain that pretty much all of the XM177s seen in movies are fakes. Regardless of whether they have correct receiver style, barrel length, and flash hider design, all of the XM177s you see in movies are actually other AR carbine variants (in many cases, civilian versions converted to auto) with chopped barrels and fake XM177-style suppressors fitted to them. I'd reckon probably 99% of movie XM177s are of this type. In The Rock, it seems that the armorers who worked on this film were probably short on AR carbines with A1-style receivers (or, at least, A1-style uppers), so they used whatever they had in inventory. And some of them had either A2-style receivers or the 715-style (meaning, forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight). Point being, there's no sense distinguishing between the "real" and "fake" ones in this movie.

I believe the length of the flash hiders is 4.5". -MT2008 04:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The fake XM177 problem again.....

well..... recently there are some new edittings...... claimimg that all of the XM177s used in the film were having 10 inch barrels... What I would like to say is that not all XM177s were equiped with 10 inch barrels.... There were some XM177s got 11.5"barrels..... Trust me, I watched it over hundreds times......

you can see the Surefire Flash light is clamping under the front barrel,not below the gas block