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Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops 4
Additional
"Daemon 3XB"
The "Daemon 3XB" is a .45 caliber open bolt submachine gun added to the game with the Operation Absolute Zero update.
"Drakon"
The "Drakon", a WA 2000 / FG 42 based sniper rifle from Black Ops III, was seen in a trailer for the Zombies map "IX". It doesn't appear in the final game, however.
Discussion
Type Weapons
I saw some weapons that could be based on some weapons.
Rampart 17 - SCAR Rifle
ICR-7 - M4 Carbine?
VAPR-XKG - HK416 or AR15 Type
Paladin HB50 - Barrett 50cal
But there's some other weapons too, like the Titan LMG--Treliazz777 (talk) 16:07, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
The ICR looks some kind of mash up between an MSBS and the recent HK433.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 09:36, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
I wouldn't say the Rampart resembles the SCAR. In fact, it looks like the R101 Carbine. You know, that assault rifle from Titanfall? It even has the angled magwell and magazine. Talk about going full circle. The Titan is clearly the LSAT once more, the HB50 is a left-handed straight-pull bolt-action Barrett (probably based on the 98 Bravo) and that Swordfish rifle is a vaguely modified Vektor CR-21, I'm sure of it. Oh yes, and the Cordite SMG...honestly that resembles the Bal-27 from Advanced Warfare, of all things.--Gunmaster2011 (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
Vapr-XKG is a Custom M4 or ACC Honey Badgar
The Vapr-XKG looks similar to the M4 or the ACC Honey Badger--Treliazz777 (talk) 09:50, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
Promotional artwork
Here is shown an M1911 variant (maybe a Springfield Mil-Spec or something), and here we see two revolvers, one of which appears to be a Remington 1858 New Army. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:52, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
The one in her right hand is a mutant Peacemaker, the one in her left is indeed the New Army, very likely the one from Black Ops II. I mean it'd made sense for them to reuse the model, as they only used it once, but poster weapons rarely make it into the final map; same as with the AK on the Call of the Dead poster, or the M1911 on the Shadows of Evil poster. Also she's seen dual-weilding what appear to be Webleys in the trailer.--Gunmaster2011 (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
BO4 Zombie Trailer
In the Chaos Story Trailer, I think I saw a Double Barrel Type MG08, and M1897 Trench Gun--Treliazz777 (talk) 13:26, 17 July 2018 (EDT)
What gun is this? It's a Old Lever Action
I don't know what that rifle is, it looks like it is based from a Model Lever Action Rifle.--Treliazz777 (talk) 11:46, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
- I'd say it's probably a Winchester Model 1895. On a sidenote, any ideas on the handgun that the guy on the right is using? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
- The gun on the right is possibly the "Strife" fictional pistol currently present in the game. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
- Looks like the 1895 is a carbine with a full stock, is it the angle or what? Black Irish Paddy (talk) 17:12, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
- The gun on the right is possibly the "Strife" fictional pistol currently present in the game. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
I tried to do my best with these weapons.
I was working on these weapons, and I figure something out.
The Titan is similar to the LSAT
The Cordite is similar to the PDW57 which is based on the P90
The Saug 9mm is similar to the CBJ-MS
The Auger DMR is similar to the SVD Dragunov
The Espadon is similar to the Famas
The Paladin HB50 is similar to the Barrett .50cal
The Koshka is similar to the SVU-AS
The Strife is similar to the FNP-45
The ICR-7 is similar to the HK416
The Rampart 17 is similar to the SCAR-H
The Vapr-XMG is similar to the M4 Carbine, M4 CQBR or the CAR-15 (I guess it's trying to be the Commando from Black Ops)
The Maddox-RFB is similar to the Type 95 (I'm not so sure)
The GKS is similar to the M1921 Thompson (I'm not so sure)
The Spitfire is similar to the Jian She Type-05
The ABR 223 is similar to the AUG
The Mozu is similar to the Taurus Ringing Bull (I'm not so sure)
The Mog 12 is similar to the Ithaca 37 Stakeout
The SG12 is similar to the AA-12
The Hellion Salvo is similar to the MAAWS (I'm not sure)
I hope I have at least one right. --Treliazz (talk) 01:23, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
- The only IDs that I agree with are the "Paladin HB50" (a Barrett indeed, likely resembling the M107A1, even though the fire mode is different), the SG12 (AA-12 CQB), and to some extend the "Spitfire" (a Jianshe, but obviously the JS 9mm railed version, not the Type 05). I'm not sure about the "MOG 12", but most of your other suggestions are way too far-fetched; seriously, how on earth does the "Saug 9mm" even remotely look like a CBJ-MS? If anything, it looks like one of the pistols (such as the VBR-Belgium PDW) that are sometimes being used as a reference for futuristic CoD handguns. As for others, I can tell that the "ABR 223" looks a bit like a SAR 21, while the Titan is reminiscent of the LSAT. There are two things that you should keep in mind: 1) not literally every weapon in a futuristic video game has to be based on a real particular weapon, and 2) just because a weapon has some AR-like parts doesn't automatically make it an M4/CAR-15 (I'm really stressing on that point, given your non-stop obsession in wanting to find an AR-15 basis in MANY weapons). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:59, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
Okay so were back to heated COD weapon debates. What happened to keeping it friendly? Anyway Auger to me is a mix Of the new russian SVK and older SVD. The KN57 is clearly an AK12. Saug is a VBR with maybe some elements from Steyr SSP Titan is an LSAT. Vapr XMG looks a tad like a honey badger without the suppressor. Haven’t seen Espadon, Maddox or Spitfire so can’t comment. Rampart looks like a deconstructed Scar H mated with Titanfalls rifle.
As we have already seen from Blops3 not every weapon will remotely resemble a real world weapon. --Forrest1985 (talk) 17:20, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
- Espadon is French for "Swordfish", which is a 4-round burst "tactical rifle" in-game. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:36, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
Thanks for the info. I was stress out with these guns. I forgot about the PDW. I was stress out with the Vapr KXG, because it looks similar to the M4 CQB or the ACC Honey Badger, but hopeful I'll find something about this weapon.--Treliazz (talk) 18:21, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
- The "Saug 9mm" bears a real striking resemblance to the Gepard PDW in my opinion. -- SeptemberJack (talk) 01:44, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
Vapr-XKG is a Custom M4/AR15 Airsolft Based Weapon.
The Vapr-XKG looks similar to a Custom M4 Carbine or a Custom AR-15. Some people would say it's a Honey Badger, but it looks more like an M4/AR15. The Handguard looks similar to the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Calibur Carbine or the Krytac ALPHA M4 CRB. The front Iron Sight looks like the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Sight. It also have either a futuristic PDW Stock (which is used for the Honey Badger, but it is also used for the M4 Carbine), or a futuristic AR-15 Battlelink Minimalist Stock. When you add the Stock attachment, it looks similar to a AR-15 DS150 Stock. I was looking up some custom M4's and AR15's. I was stress out, but I figure out. I was looking to deep about this gun.--Treliazz (talk) 01:25, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
MK14 Mod 0 in BO4
SDM looks completely similar to the MK14 Mod 0. It even has a MK14 rear Sight. That could be the MK14, or a futuristic variant.--Treliazz (talk) 17:42, 11 October 2018 (EDT)
- Futuristic variant in .338 Lapua --HashiriyaR32 (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
- Could be .338 Norma Magnum, not that it makes much difference. The in-game model hardly looks like it actually is chambered in either. --AgentGumby (talk) 15:05, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
ABR223
Sorry but how is the ABR223 not a Steyr Aug/Thales EF88 combo? It has more in common with either of those rifles than the SAR21. The swordfish seems to be based to the VHS K2 with the handguard/sight combo. Also whilst the ICR in Blops3 was a HK416, the ICR7 seems closer to the ARAK21 series of rifles, especially with the side mounted charging handle.--Forrest1985 (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2018 (EDT)
- Hmm... looking at it again, yeah it does have have parts in common with the AUG A2, most notably the top rail (I don't really see anything in common with the Thales, though), but I had the SAR 21 in my mind due to the deeper magwell and the charging handle's location. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:10, 13 October 2018 (EDT)
VAPR-XKG?
I did a topic earlier about this gun. The Handguard looks similar to the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Calibur Carbine or the Krytac ALPHA M4 CRB. The front Iron Sight looks like the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Sight. It also have either a futuristic PDW Stock (which is used for the Honey Badger, but it is also used for the M4 Carbine), or a futuristic AR-15 Battlelink Minimalist Stock. When you add the Stock attachment, it looks similar to a AR-15 DS150 Stock. I was looking up some custom M4's and AR15's. I was stress out, and I was looking to deep about this gun. It could be based on a Custom AR15, or Custom M4. (I'm not saying it because I love M4s or CAR-15s) What is your thoughts about this gun?--Treliazz (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
Honestly, I would say it had more in common with the Lynx from MW:R or the Peacekeeper 2 from BLOPS3 than any real M4/AR15. Of course both weapons are loosely based on the Honey badger but apart from the stock, small size and magwell I would say its a push. --Forrest1985 (talk) 13:01, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
- The front sight and upper part of the handguard appear to be inspired by Z-M LR 300 ML and it has the bolt-up system from Daniel Defense handguards. The siphon like shape of the upper receiver looks similar to the LWRC IC-PDW. The muzzle resembles "Strike Industries Triple Crown Compensator". The pistol grip looks like "Luth-Ar Ar-15 Lr-308 Chubby Grip Ergonomic Rubberized Pistol Grip". You seem to be right about the minimalist stock but in game it is telescopic like the PDW stocks. It is cool design overall but I find the handguard lacking an upper rail to be rather impractical. --Nanomat (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2018 (EDT)
About the "VKM 750"
While at first glance it did remind me of a PK machine gun, I'm not sure if the resemblance is strong enough; that weapon probably belongs to the talk page (as we've done with some weapons in BO3 and IW). On another note, the trigger guard and the screw placements above it are similar to that of the Heckler & Koch MG5. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:30, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
- I could understand that viewpoint. Then again, viewpoint is pretty important here; most of my conclusions about these weapons are drawn from videos such as this one, where the weapons are shown in first-person; the VKM looks a lot more like a PKM in first-person that it does from a side-on view. Sorry for taking 2 days to reply. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:35, 19 October 2018 (EDT)
ICR...
AFAIK, in BO3 the ICR-1 was an AR-15 model rifle but as of right now, to me, it seems to resemble more the Bushmaster ACR (maybe the name is a pun? ICR-7, ACR 6.8...) if we go by it's frontal charging handle and side ports. DraconicSalad (talk) 14:31, 19 October 2018 (EDT)
- IMO, it looks like it's somewhere between one of the newer HK416 models (such as the A5 or the A7) and HK's new rifle that they're marketing to the German military, the HK433, but an ACR being in its family tree is by no means out of the question. And hooray, they've finally figured out where the "auto" setting on the fire selector is supposed to be. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2018 (EDT) P.S.: If this game's supposed to be set between BO2 and BO3, then why are all the related/shared gun names further forward (e.g. ICR-1 vs. ICR-7, KN-44 vs. KN-57, etc.)?
As far as I'm concerned BO4 is an alternate history thing that happened after the events of BO3 and would involve time travel/changing history, but that never came to fruition as campaign was scrapped. That's what was leaked anyway through DraconicSalad (talk) 00:23, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
Well, all BO3 and BO4 are mean to be a simulation. Look at the operator's ability to "Glitch". Maybe the weapons existed at both times or maybe the "forwarded" are fictional.--Dannyguns (talk) 07:02, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
Also, fwiw, the Paladin is similar to the Bushmaster BA50 with the left sided, forward oriented bolt action mechanism if anyone thinks that’s worth putting on the page.--AgentGumby (talk) 22:11, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
Mozu
I have the definitive breakdown of the Mozu. It has the base frame of the Mateba Autorevolver + barrel end of the Smith & Wesson Model 629 Stealth Hunter from COD online + cylinder and ejector rod from Chiappa Rhino. The grip appears to be inspired by something like this (the one before the last pic). Same grip design is also depicted here but I didn't find anything else on this grip. What you think Ninja? --Nanomat (talk) 16:59, 30 November 2018 (EST)
- Sounds reasonable to me, now that you provided a detailed breakdown of it. Go ahead! --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:40, 1 December 2018 (EST)
Daemon
Is it me or it it has something from the Arsenal Shipka? --Nanomat (talk) 18:29, 19 February 2019 (EST)
Scopes
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the Recon Sight is based on the Trijicon 4x32 ACOG Scope or the ACOG Type 1x32? And the Reflex Sight on pistols is based on the MRM Sight. I don't know about the Reflex Sight on the rifles, and the Holographic Sight.--Treliazz (talk) 09:43, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
Can someone also tell me what this strange thing is on the side of the M1895's receiver? Is it some kind of mount for side scope, or what is it? It also has an additional upper ghost ring, although I do not see much benefit from this. --Slon95 (talk) 14:12, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
- If you're talking about the bit at the front of the receiver, I think it's just the mount for the aftermarket rear aperture sight. And yeah, it is kinda pointless; normally an aftermarket aperture would be mounted further back on the receiver (generally with some sort of flip-up mount), and have a smaller aperture to use for more precise shots; here, they've widened it so much that it'd barely be useful as a rear sight for anything other than a shotgun. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
Update
I talk to the creator (Rick Zeng) of the Vapr-XKG, Rampart 17, KN57, and Maddox RFB, and he said that the Vapr-XKG is a mixture of the AR-15, and MCX. He also said that the Maddox RFB is a fictional weapon that he made up. The KN57 is the AK12, and the Rampart 17 is the SCAR-H.--Treliazz (talk) 16:11, 29 September 2019 (EDT)
Weapons that the Vapr-XKG could be based on
I personally think the Vapr-XKG was based on these AR-15s. Rick Zeng said the gun was not based on the ACC Honey Badger, but an AR-15 with some parts from the MCX Rifle. These are the best I could find to fit the gun.--BW777 (talk) 13:12, 20 January 2020 (EST)