Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

Looks like MagPul MS4 slings on those MCXs, so far the general design, animations, weapons/gear look great, i can only hope that the gameplay doesn't feel too arcadey and a bit more realistic (mix of both) then i would buy another CoD since the MW trilogy and WAW days.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 08:26, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

B&T APC556

Hi guys,

I think I got most weapons but this one here is rather difficult. If you look at its side while the soldier is moving the receiver looks very flat and the only weapons coming to my mind being so flat is the B&T APC556.

What did you think? --Grasyl (talk) 09:02, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

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APC556 held by an SAS Recon.

Honestly, for firearms seen from such a distance/in small detail like this (it applies to a couple of weapons on the main page as well), it's better to wait for more content to come in future trailers instead of going ahead and speculating about literally every bit of weapon currently seen. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

One more rifle from promo-material

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529979003826601986/583658085827084310/3.jpg Any thoughts? --Iskorka416 (talk) 09:33, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

It's an HK433, just with an AAC Honey Badger-like stock. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

Okay. This picture is from press-kit, provided for game journalists, but to avoid any troubles, the writer wouldn't share with all of pics. At least for now.--Iskorka416 (talk) 10:10, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

One more image , better view on a M4

That Aimpoint is mounted way too low. Spartan198 (talk) 21:13, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

Really not sure that’s an HK433. It looks integrally suppressed and the stock doesn’t match. Is it not some sort of SIG MCX variant? I thought it was a suppressed Rattler at first, but the magwell looks different --Forrest1985 (talk) 08:38, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Nah, looks nothing like an MCX. It is indeed an HK433, just a customized one. I get the feeling that we'll get "stock" customization option again, which could explain how they added that sliding stock on it (as well the MPi-KMS-72 style stock on the AK)... we'll see if it's the case when we got more details. Plus, note the shape of the receiver (especially behind and in front of the ejection port), the paddle magazine release and the reversible charging handle's location (above the handguard), all of which match the HK433 and not any variant of the MCX. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:35, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Also the cuts on the frontal side of the well mag are typical HK433. However, I think that the real HK433 can't be integrally suppressed nor accept telescoping stocks. Funny thing is that apparently even the devs know this so they attached the PDW stock to nothing or is it just me seeing things? --Nanomat (talk) 10:55, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

My bad on the MCX front, but in my defence I said some “sort of MCX”. Still, i’m not entirely convinced its a ‘433 either. The stock is probably custom, as per the above comment, but front end doesn’t quite match (unless it angle of the shot), there’s no integral suppressed ‘433. The ejection port and lower receiver is a clear match though (on my second look). I dunno, guess we will have to wait and see. I quite like the ‘433 design so would be nice to see it. Personally hope they bring back the skins from MW:R or better yet, customisation similar to Wildlands --Forrest1985 (talk) 12:27, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Unknown bolt-action

I don't know what this could be.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

I've read somewhere that it might be the FN Ballista ala BO2 style, but I'm conflicted. Some details match but others like the stock are different. --Nanomat (talk) 16:45, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

From the size, the proportions, and the flat, sloped upper receiver, I'm tempted to say that it's a PGM Hecate II, though it doesn't seem to be a precise match. It seems like some of these guns might have customizable parts, though maybe I just have a hard time believing that the coat-hanger stock is gonna be standard and/or an attachment for the AK. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:54, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

Looking at the receiver shape my thought was definitely something by PGM --Forrest1985 (talk) 08:40, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

Looks like Russian DVL-10 for me, but magwell is different and magazine looks too wide for .308 --Iskorka416 (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2019 (EDT)

I think its a Victrix Armament rifle, doesnt look 100%, but the closest I found -- Hijeffrey95 (talk) 12:19, 27 June 2019

I did also think of some anti-materiel rifles such as the Victrix Corvus, but yeah it doesn't exactly match it. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:37, 20 August 2019 (EDT)

2v2 Gameplay footage

Here. --Tamarin88 (talk) 17:11, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

Some stuff worth noting - the P320 is called the "M19", after its designation; the standard mag holds 10 rounds, and the 21-round extendo holds 15. The FAMAS fires in 3-round bursts, has aftermarket irons on top of its standard ones, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding as to how decimal points work (.556 inches would make it an anti-materiel rifle, whereas .556 millimeters would be a literal gun for ants). The bolt-action sniper rifle is an Accuracy International AX50, the 870 is an MCS that they're calling the "Model 680" for some reason, and the MG4 is called an "M91" (probably implying a US military designation), with 75 round being the "Extended Mags" capacity, so the standard is probably 50. Shotguns are also either secondaries or primaries now, and among them is the "725" over/under; the name implies a Browning Citori, though the series is no stranger to misnaming O/Us. There are 2 different kinds of stun grenade (an M84 and a M7290), though we didn't actually get to see what the normal frag grenades are. Oh, and the RPG-7 has a new reload animation for the first time in ever, though I'm pretty sure that the rocket still doesn't have a booster charge. It also has a melee attack where you jab them with the rocket, even though an RPG-7 warhead's only safety system is a screw-in nose cap, so doing that would blow you straight to kingdom come. Anything else? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:05, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

The MG appears to be MG5 not MG4. --Nanomat (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, it's definitely an MG5. Also, that "M19" name is pretty much a goof lol; the P320 in reality is designed as M17 and M18, depending on the size. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 07:08, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

I quite like how they've done the animations for this one. Particularly the handguns, the way the screen shakes in conjuction with the jerkiness of the muzzle flip makes it seem like the player character is an actual human controlling recoil rather than a robot who can hold a perfect aim at all times.--Aidoru (talk) 03:19, 17 July 2019 (EDT)

Modern Warfare 2011

I can’t help feel that the weapons list is well...dated!

Famas...dropped by French for Hk416 because its outdated

L86 rarely used by British Army and completely replaced as of April 2019

AUG, Mp5, M14 really?

Desert Eagle ffs come on!

Even the M4A1 feels rehashed, afterall if were playing tier 1 Operators who use Mk18’s or C8’s (in SAS’ case) should the game not match the reality?

--Forrest1985 (talk) 05:20, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Just because an older gun has only been recently replaced by a newer gun does not mean all previous guns in a nations inventory magically disappear into the ether. Many nations still use the M4, AUG, MP5, and M14 as well. The Desert Eagle is a series staple, so I'm not surprised it makes another appearance. The game has plenty of new guns as well, such as the Sig MCX, the M17, the HK433, and so on, so far it seems to strike a decent balance between classic Call of Duty guns and up to date guns.--Aidoru (talk) 15:36, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

There were quite a few FAMASs in the recent Bastille Day parade; the French haven’t fully rolled out HK416Fs overnight since officially adopting them.--AgentGumby (talk) 15

51, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Very true but there are also older weapons that have never appeared in COD before that could have been used instead. I mean why have the L86 when an RPK74 which is more widespread and has seen more use than the L86. Every time COD wants a bullpup it goes AUG and Famas, why not L85A2, CR21 or any other multitude of bullpup choices. I’m just saying the choices seem very safe and “copy/paste” to me. --Forrest1985 (talk) 16:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Huh? The AUG and the FAMAS didn't make a lot of appearances in the CoD universe (the only main games in which they appeared are MW2 and *facepalm* Black Ops - unless you consider the "futurized" versions in BO3/BO4), and from what I've read the AUG is one of the most reliable bullpup weapons, so its appearance is legit. Also come on, the MP5 is one of the most popular submachine guns worldwide (if not the most popular), you certainly can't avoid putting it in the game. I definitely agree that the L86 is a dumb choice though, and we all know the issue with the Desert Eagle, although in the later case you could argue that it has become an iconic weapon in the MW series, so players will have fun again with it in multiplayer. The devs should have put a Mk 14 EBR as opposed to that "modernization" attempt of a normal M14. Other than that, I'm happy with the presence of weapons such as the P320, MCX VIRTUS, MG5, and especially the Remington 870 MCS, which should have been included in the MW series from the start (as opposed to those weird choices of Winchester 1200 and SPAS-12). I'm hoping they will add some firearms such as the Saiga 12, SIG MPX, HK417, SR-25, Glock 17, Mk 23 Mod 0, etc. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Yeah my bad Its probably because both the Aug and Famas were rinsed in both MW2 and Blops. They could have at least picked the Thales F90 for a modern Aug and there are plenty of better choices than the Famas! The MP5 i have no issue with. It is still the premier CT SMG used worldwide and deserves it place. The MK14 would have been a better choice I agree, but I would have picked G28/417 or SR25 EC over it for a more modern touch. --Forrest1985 (talk) 07:59, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

In fairness, the AUG shown in-game is the 9mm SMG version (the Thales doesn't have such a counterpart), and it's not like there are many other choices of current-production bullpup SMGs besides the FN P90, IWI X95 9mm, and QCW-05 / CS/LS2. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:26, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

Raw multiplayer footage

Some new MP footage got released today. More of the same, but without the screaming streamers and featuring several new weapons.

Watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVnJvZjMNCs

What I noticed right off the bat:

-An AK-47 with an RPK style barrel. An attachment or visual customization of some sort, I think. Other than the barrel, the AK's layout was pretty typical.

-Some kind of (integrally suppressed?) bolt-action sniper rifle that I cannot identify for the life of me.

-A .357 magnum revolver, probably a Smith and Wesson.

-A compact AR-15-style rifle.

-An MG42-type machine gun, maybe supposed to be an MG3? It appears to have the MG34's Panzerlauf stock.

-The SIG-Sauer MCX made an appearance. It's known as the "M13."

-Some kind of bullpup assault rifle that I can't identify but vaguely looks like a QBZ-95.

--PyramidHead (talk) 18:10, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

It is an MG34, yeah in a modern game. And the AK is either type II or III. --Nanomat (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

The bullpup rifle was a ShAK-12, interestingly enough, with some serious recoil along for the ride. It also holds 40 rounds in what appears to be a 20-round magazine. Oh, and don't forget the Marlin Model 1894, which I'm guessing will be classified as a sniper rifle in-game. As for the MG34, it's not that far-fetched; some have turned up in combat zones in the Middle East, which is where I assume at least some of the campaign will be taking place. A fair bit less plausible is the 100-round capacity that they've blessed the 50-round belt drum with. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:53, 18 July 2019 (EDT) P.S.: Speaking of capacity, I really don't get why they felt the need to give the P320 a 10-round default mag and a 15-round extended one; unless it's supposed to be in a different caliber, it should hold 15 in a standard mag, while the extendo looks like the full-size version's 21-rounder.

As always, gameplay balancing I guess. --Nanomat (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

Maybe the MG 34 is a “kit” for the MG5? It at least sounds better than the MG 42 in WWII, I’ll give it that.--AgentGumby (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

I hope they don't bring back the "kit" system of firearm variation. Agreed on the audio being leagues better than previous CoDs, there's some nice impact to it now. CoD: WW2 made all their guns sound like someone flicking pebbles at a sheet of tin.--Aidoru (talk) 01:31, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

Funny thing is that I mentioned two months ago the fact that I hadn't seen yet the "universal" revolver reloading technique in a video game, aaaaaaaaand it ended up in this game :D I'm fairly sure the Marlin isn't a Model 1894, but likely a 336 an 1895, given the trigger guard and the ejection port (the latter having been seen in an earlier video). Regarding the compact AR-style rifle, I'm pretty sure it's a shorter version of the already present MCX VIRTUS (we can exclude the Rattler, since the handguard looks longer than it). The 870 MCS wasn't pumped after a partial reload, which (likely) means we will finally see different partial/empty reloads for shell-by-shell reloading shotguns (the only time it was done in a Call of Duty game is... get this, in the 13-year old CoD3). Where I'm less impressed though, is the AK-47 part: while I can excuse its presence since there is also a more modern AK shown in the reveal trailer, the devs once again chose to slap a ribbed receiver cover on it. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:06, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

EDIT: I checked again, and it appears that the receiver cover is appropriately smooth. I appreciate the recent edit, Aidoru. I previously didn't look very closely (and it was likely at lower quality), and some scratches on the cover made it seem like a ribbed one. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2019 (EDT)

Speaking of AK, if the Russian Federation armed forces show up in this game, I would faint if they used an AK-74 instead of an older AK model. At least give me an AK-12 or an AK-15. At the very least, I hope to see more modern Russian weapons instead of Russians running around with FAMASs, AUGs, FALs, and Strikers like in Modern Warfare 2 and 3. --PyramidHead (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

Just make it the mass production AK-12 and/or -15 instead of the 2012 prototype that's getting into XM8 levels of overuse. Spartan198 (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

Amen to that! I’m hoping they use AK74’s as well not the AKM every game seems to depict. AK15 would be preferable but given the rebels part take place in past, ‘74 would be better suited. Personally I would have had the AK74 and RPK in this game and included the AK12 and RPK16 as “skins” like MW:R. Do you think they will add the F2000 in as that has shown up on Syria in a few clips/photos --Forrest1985 (talk) 08:06, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

Well, new gameplay uploaded on InfinityWard's official youtube channel. A lot more focus on the MCX and 870 this time. I wonder what triggers the player characters usage of the thumb-over-bore grip, the length of barrel/type of grip, or maybe its a faction specific thing.--Aidoru (talk) 01:33, 13 August 2019 (EDT) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ-fuJRgqUc

Mk 18 ID

Are we sure it's a Mod 1? Not a lot can be gleaned from the image, but it looks like it's just a Mod 0 with a PRI folding front sight block. Spartan198 (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Here's some gameplay footage of it, if it helps. But anyway, judging by the video linked below, the weapon has the front sight on the railed handguard by default, but customization options do include a folding front sight block and a traditional AR-15 front sight. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:24, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Customization teaser

Looks pretty extensive.--Tamarin88 (talk) 14:04, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Ohhhh, I think I'm gonna enjoy this --PyramidHead (talk) 14:43, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Couldn't they add the M26 MASS as opposed to that outdated (and recycled) Masterkey? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Looks cool. I just hope they don't go overboard with the skins (no animated neon pink tigerstripes with diamonds please), or lock some of the customization options behind lootboxes/ridiculous grinds.--Aidoru (talk) 00:47, 23 July 2019 (EDT)

New Trailer

The multiplayer reveal came out; here's a link. Looks pretty interesting so far; I've got some things to point out, but what I don't have right now is time. Cheers, Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 13:59, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

There's also a full live stream of gameplay going on right now, so someone should probably sift through that after it finishes. --Tamarin88 (talk) 14:32, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

Revolver

Looks like it could be a Smith and Wesson Model 586 with the barrel inletted for a scope mount. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 19:19, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

IGN Loadout montage video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiKHyejWvzQ

They go through all the guns available in the beta but not all the customisation options. They mention how it's possible to do things like add a 5.45mm "conversion kit" to the AK to turn it into a 74. And an unmodified L86 is just a bog-standard L85. Should probably follow the Payday 2 guide of putting entries for every complete weapon you can turn each gun into.Temp89 (talk)

FN FAL/DSA 58

Noticed this in a screen https://imgur.com/a/AtTaJ5u

Not sure how to edit on here though, apologies...

I get myself a FAL, and it's a classic one as opposed to the weird looking one in MW2! I'm happy. --PyramidHead (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2019 (EDT)

Price's carbine

So, as seen on the page, the Noveske with a VLTOR upper is the closest ID that I found over two weeks ago for the carbine held by Capt. Price in the game cover and other artwork. For anyone who would like to take a close look at the weapon and see if there's a better match or some noteworthy info, here's a very high resolution image of it, and here's a nearly full view of the weapon. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:43, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

Weapon Prediction

Probably the MW Remastered weapons will be in the game. Their names and aestetyc don't match with the original COD. MW but match with the new one. PKM and FAL are already confirmed.So the "Prokolot","D-25S",Saiga-12,Cheytac M200,"Fang 45" are on the table.--Dannyguns (talk) 03:28, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

I doubt any of the fictional weapons will make it in. The SAIGA-12 and Cheytac M200 might, but not the Prokolot, D-25S or Fang-45.--Aidoru (talk) 09:25, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I'd agree - I mean, the FAL that we've seen so far is pretty clearly just an ordinary FAL, not the weird hybrid AR-ish thingy from MWR that resembles a lot of things but isn't quite any of them. It seems to me like this game's arsenal will be more or less proprietary. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:25, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

Those dumb fictional weapons? No. Just no. They shouldn't have been in MWR in the first place; that game started very well with improvements on realism regarding weapon models, etc., but the devs pretty much ruined it with those frankenguns. Thankfully this most likely ain't happening with the new MW, considering that this is Infinity Ward, and not Raven Software, who was already known for creating frankenguns. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:09, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

I doubt we'll see any reuse of weapons from previous CoDs - the work required for the new attachment system would probably make converting old models not worth it. --Tamarin88 (talk) 14:43, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

Frankenguns

Now with the new gun customization, it appears that they will crank up to 11 the frankengun-ism. I am wondering about the AK customization in particular. They widely advertised that it is possible to customize the default AK47 into an "AK74u" however, what it actually does is to outfit it with an AKS-74U's wooden handguard and a 7.62 x 39mm krinkov muzzle. Now, this is all good when we speak about a 7.62 x 39mm AK but the thing is that this same setup (AK47 base) can be outfitted with 5.45x39mm mags while retaining the base AK47 receiver. So the question is would it be possible to somehow achieve this in reality, like maybe put the internals of a 5.45x39mm AK into a 7.62 x 39mm receiver? Could this work mechanically because that is precisely what we got in the game?

Also would there be any issue with attaching a 20" barrel to an Mk18 or M4A1 or whatever similarly to what can be done in game? Man, this new customization system is cool but it's gonna raise a lot of questions. Also, I think maybe we should split all of the submodification items from the main weapons into a separate section like what we've done with BFV's "cosmetic modifications" section because the way things are currently listed on the MW page is gonna cause a lot of confusion like "What? That ain't Mk18 no more, it's an M16 bruh... but why then it shoots in full auto huhh???" --Nanomat (talk) 19:06, 16 August 2019 (EDT)

Regarding your first question about AKs, it'd essentially be a custom build, grafting (and probably hand-fitting) AKS-74U parts into an original AK-47 receiver. For the second, there shouldn't be any issues with attaching non-standard barrels to Mk18 uppers, as 18 uppers are the same thing as A4 uppers, just fitted with shorter barrels and handguards. And, for the final one, I'd figure that the way that we have it now is probably the best bet; the BFV system works because you're less customizing one gun into another (which is what you can do here) and more attaching parts from one variant of a gun to another - for example, you can put a Mk2 stock on a Mk1 Bren, but it's still a Mk1 Bren. This is the precedent for these sorts of customization issues elsewhere; for example, it's what was done for Payday 2. Hope this helps. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:04, 16 August 2019 (EDT)

And regarding the M16, if you really want to avoid that full-auto/burst confusion, you could probably identify the section as a Colt Model 901/M16A3 (the full-auto counterpart of the flat top M16A4), but keep the current reference image due to the heat shield. But IMO it isn't really necessary to change it, considering that we're already saying that "it resembles" an M16A4, plus one of the weapon perks in-game do actually turn it into a 3-round burst weapon. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:45, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

I changed the Arsenal AR-SF section to AKS-74U as the game simply puts parts from the AKS-74U to the base AK47 receiver. Also, I think we should emphasize more on the fact that the parts from "secondary" weapons are attached to the "main" receiver. I was going to make the same to the M16A4 section but as far as I understand from the above reply, the MK18 and the M16A4 both use the same receiver, at least visually, in reality. However, the fact that the weapon (in game) by default fires in full auto means that the base receiver is the MK18 one. Now the technical impossibility in this case here comes from the 3-round burst perk you describe. If that is indeed the case then we end up with that particular receiver being able to switch between full auto/3 burst which as far as I know is not a feature of any AR receiver? --Nanomat (talk) 21:59, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

Nah, I reverted it, because it's better to show what the resulting model looks like, and the in-game weapon still has a milled receiver like the AR-SF, which is not the case for the AKS-74U. For the record, the combo of an AR-SF with Krinkov flash hider and wood handguard has indeed been done in some movies like Banlieue 13 and 36 Quai des Orfèvres. Now regarding the burst perk, in fairness I just mentioned how the behavior of the in-game weapon will change to 3-round burst, and that it would potentially avoid the confusion between burst/auto that you mentioned at the end of your first comment. I don't think the burst perk changes the selector markings on the weapon model itself (unlike the normal attachments), plus I'm not sure whether the perk replaces the full-auto fire by 3-round burst or it adds a burst setting alongside the full-auto/semi-auto modes. Though in response to your last question, the safe/semi/burst/auto selector does exist on the "M4 Commando Enhanced" and the "M4 Carbine Enhanced" as discussed here, but either way it's kinda irrelevant, since I'm pretty sure that this "burst" perk is available on many weapons in-game, not just the "M4A1". --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:06, 20 August 2019 (EDT)

Public Beta

So, a new promo trailer dropped. A couple of things were shown, namely a mine that kinda looks like a flattened TS-50 with an S-Mine sticking out of the top (I think this was already shown, but now we have a good view of it), and a PKM (thankfully enough; it'd be odd to have a PKM stock as an attachment without the gun it belongs to). More important, however, is what this trailer was for: there's apparently going to be a PS4-exclusive public beta of the 2v2 mode this weekend. If any of you have a PS4 capture device, now's your time to shine. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 22:49, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

Shoot, the PS4 already has a built in screencap feature, so a specific device isn't even necessary. I'm planning on downloading it, I could definitely take some screencaps.-Aidoru (talk) 00:53, 20 August 2019 (EDT)

I just want to say that the animators at IW have really outdone themselves on this game. I love all the reload animations, the visual recoil is well done, and they even included animated fire selector switches that the player character will engage with his hand/thumb depending on the gun.--Aidoru (talk) 04:43, 25 August 2019 (EDT)

Revolver

I think the revolver is Taurus Model 689 at least for me it looks like one --Relb357 September 8 2019

P320 ID

If it lacks features indicative of the M18 (manual safety, three rail slots instead of four), shouldn't we classify it as a P320 instead? Spartan198 (talk) 23:13, 12 September 2019 (EDT)

It has the M18's optic cut on the slide though, and the SIG-Sauer website mentions that non-manual safety M17 pistols are planned to be shipped (I'm not sure if it also applies to the M18 though). I suppose we could alternatively identify it as a P320 RX Compact with the ROMEO1 sight removed (assuming that it can easily be removed, which I have yet to check). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 23:44, 12 September 2019 (EDT)

They mention that the battery on the RX Compact's RDS can be changed without having to remove it, so I'm pretty sure it's removable. If it wasn't, that sentence would be nonsensical. I didn't know about them releasing M17s without manual safeties, though. Spartan198 (talk) 06:10, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

Yep, plus I now checked a video; when Phil Strader talks about the RDS here, he says "if you don't feel like using it and you want to use regular iron sights". Here's a view of the in-game gun if you're interested, but anyway it ultimately seems that the RX Compact identification is legit. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:16, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

By the way, I was partly wrong in my first comment. It's actually the P320-M17 (the commercial variant of the M17 MHS) that can be offered without a manual safety, not the M17 itself. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:49, 27 October 2019 (EDT)

About the "HDR"

Carrying on from one of the early discussions regarding the unidentified sniper rifle, here's a higher quality image of the operator pack that includes a slightly modified version of it. And now, here's an in-game view of the weapon:

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As for my two cents, it may or may not be something like a Zastava M12 Black Spear with some sort of custom chassis and magwell, and a different bolt assembly. But then again, it's just an assumption, I just... I don't know. In the meantime, it would be appreciated if someone provides an image showing a full view of the right side; it might help us identify it. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:48, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

Here is an overview. BTW it appears to be another frankengun again as the handguard of the handguard (yeah...) appears to be the carbine length M203 GL handguard.--Nanomat (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Damn, this thing has the problem of a whole lot of the guns in MGS5 - it kinda looks like a lot of things, but doesn't exactly match any of them. It sorta looks like a Zastava, it sorta looks like a Victrix Corvus, it sorta looks like an upscaled Lobaev DVL-10... and yet, in spite of this, it doesn't seem to be any of them. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:34, 16 September 2019 (EDT) P.S.: The more I unsuccessfully try to wrap my head around this thing, the more I worry that the same might be true of the .357. Granted, that thing does seem to just be a Taurus, but I fear that some may disagree.

Well, even though this might be the COD with most realistic depiction of guns, I managed to find that they deliberately gave them some subtle fictional details. For example look at MW's Harrier and a real one. Note that the real one has semi circular air intakes while the game's version has more squareish ones. Also compare the real Deagle to the game's version. Note how the MW's Deagle has the pins above the trigger guard in the wrong place and also has more grooves on the slide than the real one. I think they are doing this on purpose. If somebody comes up with a lawsuit "Heyyy, u can't use our weapon in ur game!" and bla bla they can simply claim that the weapon they depict is not the same, it has differences, minor but still.--Nanomat (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Infinity Ward seems to be doing these modifications in an inconsistent manner. You have a slightly fictionalized Desert Eagle with a made up name, but you also have the "M13" which is (as far as I can tell) pretty much an exact likeness of the MCX Virtus. Similiarly, they gave the MP7 its proper name, but they also gave it the same treatment as the Desert Eagle, with a fictional stock, handguard, charging handle, etc. In terms of Killstreaks, you have the notHarrier, notFrogfoot, the weird looking notPredator with an AEW rotodome alongside an accurately modelled Apache, Pave Low and A-10.--Aidoru (talk) 00:52, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

One of the developers on Reddit actually said that was the case regarding the L86. I doubt it's really necessary (most games get away with much more accurate guns, even today), but I imagine Activision's lawyers are especially antsy because CoD has had licensing deals in the past, and I presume they're thinking that the gun companies will be watching them for use after the deal expired.--Tamarin88 (talk) 07:09, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

I think it's an Zastava M93 Black Arrow (which has the same caliber) with a completely custom chassis and furniture. The position of the pistol grip and magazine match the M93 pretty well too.--BaileyJIII (talk) 09:43, 20 September 2019 (EDT)

Oh wow, I haven't logged into this site for years, I know you're happy to see me again. Anyway, I'm thinking that the reason that they are doing these minor cosmetic changes to make guns and especially vehicles look less realistic is because of fear of lawsuits. There was after all this (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/11/09/humvee-manufacturer-suing-activision-over-call-of-duty-vehicles/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rockpapershotgun%2Fsteam+%28Rock%2C+Paper%2C+Shotgun%3A+Steam+RSS%29) (I forgot how to format links properly, sorry) case some years ago and I'm thinking Activison wants to avoid that happening again. This doesn't answer why some guns look more or less like their real counterpart though. Another reason could be political. Some might say that it's "problematic" or something to depict guns to realistically. Then again, I'm not sure about that.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 15:15, 26 September 2019 (EDT)

Yay you’re back, along with Modern Warfare! Been missing your great screenshot work my dude.--AgentGumby (talk) 15:33, 26 September 2019 (EDT)

Aaww, thank you! Sadly I won't be screenshotting this game at launch at least. I won't get it until I get a new PC, which will be some months from now. I am going to play it though. This is the first CoD game I've ever actually felt hyped for. Especially with the return of that MW3 style of survival mode (another reason for waiting due to that timed exclusivity) and those large maps with vehicles.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:20, 26 September 2019 (EDT)

Red Dots mounted too low for ARs

Even without any iron sights mounted, a red dot with a low mount is way too low to comfortable look through in some guns like the AR types, but that's how they have all the small red dots in this game and it's stupidly low Excalibur01 (talk) 01:10, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

Reminds me a little of Far Cry 5. That game had the same problem.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 09:08, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

Are you referring to the Aimpoint looking one? I think both the MP5 and the HK433 do not have this problem, the HK we seen in the campaign trailer has Price holding it and it looked correctly setup, it's a pita to look at i know.

EDIT: Actually just checked and it's incorrectly setup on the 141 too, dissapointed to see Russians still operating AK-47s instead of the more appropiate AK-74m or even the 12/15. Or even more bizarrelly; Blackhawks and Little Birds, saves the developers time on creating new models i guess...--Death Shadow20 (talk) 13:32, 20 October 2019 (EDT)

I kinda hoped for a Makarov or a Grach too, hope they add more pistols down the line. The M249 SAW is also rather conspicuously absent despite being in a lot of the promotional art.--AgentGumby (talk) 20:13, 26 October 2019 (EDT)

Well, the 57,181GB update for play even in SP, is a bit a low hit. But according to lore, seems like is not real Russian military but a rogue forces comprised by Russian grunts and mercenaries. That couuld explain the Blackhawks and Little Birds. Hoping for a Russian shotgun. Meanwhile need to wait 2 months for play the game 'cause the size!--Dannyguns (talk) 13:12, 27 October 2019 (EDT)

FAL PARA

Due to customization options, you can make a FAL Para in MW. Does it deserve its own section then?

Different MP5s and AKs and the like get their own sections because of attachment options to make them out of the base weapon, I don't see why it shouldn't apply for the FAL. Kadorhal (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2019 (EDT)

Oden, bleyat

You won't believe it, but Russian for "Odin" is actually "Odin". So unless you consider this some sort of "padonag" lingo, where people intentionally make as many mistakes as possible, this is plain wrong. It's not like we Russians call Jesus differe- oh wait DJ_von_CAHEK (talk) 14:45, 2 November 2019 (EDT) I actually made fun of the in-game name during the beta, comparing it to the Japanese dish of the same name. --HashiriyaR32 (talk) 20:35, 4 November 2019 (EST)

AK74 variants

So lets try to sort that out.. maybe
First we got Farah's weapon. Judging from the stock it is most likely derived from either East German MPi-AKS74 or Romanian AIMS-74, however it is chambered in 7,62x39mm. Not available for player both in Campaign and Multiplayer.
Second, in Single Player campaign a player could encounter and pick up some "AK-47" rifles with AK74-derived gas block and muzzle brake (or without the latter). These are Single player campaign-exclusive.
As such I am very much inclined that "AKM" section be removed (weapon not present in-game actually) and to rework AK74 section.
Would aprreciate input from other contributors before actually trying to fix the article... --RussianTrooper (talk) 07:30, 4 November 2019 (EST)

Well, in the campaign you can actually find the 7.62mm AK combined with all the parts mentioned in the page (stamped receiver, ribbed cover, gas tube, handguard with palm swell. etc.). I guess this is enough for the AKM to actually warrant its own section. The only notable issue is that it has an AK-74's gas block and front sight block, but there's been some AKMs and similar AK derivatives modified with such parts (this one from Wolf Warriors 2 is a good example). I think that an AKM modified with a 90 degree gas block is at least more plausible than (let's say) an AKM with an earlier AK-47 style gas block and gas tube.

That said, I've been thinking that maybe we could simplify things, by mentioning the AK-74 before the AKM (considering that the former is more correctly modeled than the latter), and then say that the same AK-74 same setup is found loaded with 7.62x39mm ammunition, giving it an approximation of an AKM.

--Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:35, 4 November 2019 (EST)

The AK-47 section still seems quite messy. Maybe we could give a rundown of all the customization options in the leading AK-47 section, and detail all the configurations in subsections following it? --Wuzh (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2019 (EST)

I think the problem stems from the fact that currently we are trying to comply with IW's idea that changing several parts of a gun turns it into a completely different weapon. Is there in the game any AK receiver other than the milled AK47 receiver with the large cutout? Because I'm under the impression that all the AKs in the game use this basic milled receiver and only change handguards, barrels, stocks, magazine etc.

Now, if that is the case I think we should simply list from which AK variant does a particular handguard or magazine come (simililar to the BFV cosmetic modification sections) instead of trying to make it fit a particular AK model as a whole. Let's take for instance the SAM7K example. In my opinion listing this particular model here is a bit of a stretch. In game we basically have the milled AK47 receiver complete with the sights which can be modified with krinkov muzzle and 5.45x39mm magazine. We should only add to this that while 7.62x39mm krinkov exists in reality, the 5.45x39mm magazine working with the 7.62x39mm milled receiver is not plausible.

I generally think we should avoid phrases like "turning it into an" because fitting a milled AK47 receiver with furniture from AK74 models doesn't make it an actual AK74 specimen, it just makes it a frankengun. That's why I believe we should focus more on each furniture item separately rather than as a whole. --Nanomat (talk) 20:56, 6 November 2019 (EST)

The "AK-12"in the single player does have a stamped receiver and not a milled one, FWIW.--AgentGumby (talk) 21:45, 6 November 2019 (EST)

I clearly mentioned the presence of a stamped receiver in the AK-74 section (along with the other appropriate parts), and the other ones also have stamped receivers in singleplayer. Here are some videos, for reference: AK-74, AKM, AKS-74U, and AKMSU (which can be found with a side folder). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 03:50, 7 November 2019 (EST)