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Talk:Izhevsk Mechanical Plant
IZh-20/21
There, everything is rather unclear, considering that the documentation (as always) has been lost. IZh-20 appeared in the early 60s, in any case, not earlier than 1963. There is no exact information about it. IZh-21 appeared at the same time as him, and, unlike IZh-20, is better known. There is info that it was produced in small quantities at least until the late 70s. I even saw one of these guns (1971 release) be sold several years ago. --Slon95 (talk) 07:34, 5 March 2019 (EST)
Yep, I have also only found a little bit of info about IZh-21, but nothing on IZh-20. Too bad there are no actual photos or blueprints of those. There are talks IZh-21 was more based on Wichester Model 12 rather than on Remington though. --MaranaInfirmux (talk) 07:43, 5 March 2019 (EST)
- In fact, IZh-21 is on the photo above. Semi-auto IZh-20 is survived on Izhmekh, and this is an analogue of Remington Model 1100. --Slon95 (talk) 07:55, 5 March 2019 (EST)
Interesting, if so, it looks remarkably like Remington 870, right up to the screws placement above the trigger guard. I guess you are right about copying in USSR then. In fact, I feel sorry for that gun - perhaps if put into serial production back then it would make a pump-action shotgun more popular and desirable among Soviet/Russian hunters. Many of them (but not me) still associate pump-actions with all sorts of criminals. --MaranaInfirmux (talk) 08:45, 5 March 2019 (EST)
Produced 'copies' of American weapons
I don't believe we should list these and certainly not with them linking to the actual original gun pages, lest we mislead somebody into thinking this plant produces actual Remington shotguns - which they certainly do not. EDIT - I see one of these copies is in the image above so that takes care of the issue of whether or not they actually exist in the first place. That said, we need proof these copies have actually appeared on anything we have listed to warrant their inclusion, same as any other gun listing. If these criteria can be met then I suppose we can of course make new pages for the guns or at least new sections on the respective existing gun pages, but until then, I don't think it proper to include them. StanTheMan (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2019 (EST)