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Talk:StG 44
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Someone needs to change the redirection page for this entry so that entering "STG-44," or "STG 44," or "stg 44," or "stg-44" will all lead to this page. Isn't STG-44/STG 44 the most commonly-used designation for this assault rifle, for those of us who either don't know or don't want to type out the proper name, Sturmgewehr 44? --Mazryonh 22:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
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Isn't the H&K G3 a full size Battle rifle, not an assault rifle?
- Well, in German there are no "battle rifles", all of them are considered assault rifles
- In American parlance, a battle rifle fires a 'full sized cartridge' not an intermediate cartridge like the 5.56x45mm or the 7.62x39mm. The weird thing is that SOME gun historians think of the 7.61x51mm as an intermediate cartridge. These are usually the OLD TIMERS who were brought up firing the 30.06, the 7.92 Mauser, the .303R British and the 7.62x54R ammunition and they look with disdain on any 'smaller cartridge'. There are many firearms authors, though, who consider the 7.62x51mm / .308 Winchester as a full fledged full sized rifle round. For the most part, .308 is a full sized rifle round with most people, so the G3 WOULD be a main battle rifle and NOT an assault rifle, just like the FN FAL, the L1A1 and the M14. MoviePropMaster2008 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, but what I wanted to point out: the Sturmgewehr 44 is a German weapon, and it was considered an assault rifle by the Germans (In fact, Hitler invented the German term "Sturmgewehr" to describe the former MP44, and later this term was translated as "assault rifle"). The G3 is a German weapon, too, and it is considered an assault rifle by the Germans. So, both weapons are considered "assault rifles" by the people who invented the term in the first place and who developed both the weapons.
- So? You are right. The StG-44 (MP44) was the first ASSAULT RIFLE. It was a select fire carbine length rifle firing a new intermediate cartridge. A more perfect definition of an 'assault rifle' cannot be found. So what is the problem here? :) MoviePropMaster2008 07:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough, however, in general usage/knowledge, 'assault rifles', as MPM said, are considered to fire smaller, 'intermediate' cartridges - either shortened battle rifle rounds (7.92x33 Kurz/7.62x39 M1943) or smaller cartridges all-around (5.56x45/5.45x39), and all with selective-fire. Granted some consider 7.62x51 an 'assault rifle' cartridge, but most others don't. Myself included. And as such, again, in general/common usage, it would not be incorrect to consider the G3 a 'battle rifle'.
Bah, this page, nor this discussion is really about the G3 or the StG44 for that matter. It's about semantics. Which is just annoying and pointless. In any case, lets just remove the G3 part altogether - It'll preclude any further stubborn and inane debates here as well as eliminate any potential confusion for new readers. StanTheMan 02:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
A silly question in perhaps the wrong place
Whilst on the subject, would the M1 Carbine be considered an assault rifle due to it's smaller .30 round?Foofbun 11:10, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
No, I don't think so. The Carbine was intended to be an extended pistol - something lighter to carry than the M1 or M1903 for officers or weapon specialists, but more range effective even if its less powerful than the .45 pistol. The M2 variant would be closer to an assault rifle on account of its ability for full-automatic fire. Crackshot 12:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
ThanxFoofbun
- Hmmmm. According to gun control fanatics, anti gun politicians and the local media ... the M1 Carbine is an EVIL nuclear tipped, toddler killing, maniacal 'assault WEAPON' that deserves to be banned from the planet. So depends on who you ask ;) And yes, this question belongs on the M1 Carbine discussion page MoviePropMaster2008 19:53, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
names
So, STG44, MP43, and MP44 all mean the same firearm, they aren't all different variants or anything? MasterHunter96--MasterHunter96 19:00, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
- Since a lot of this is common knowledge amongst gun experts, google STG-44 on wikipedia. There is a nice history of the weapon there. When in doubt "look it up" first. :) MoviePropMaster2008 22:47, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
Fake "M16"
I also wanted to express my long-standing idea, that this rifle were actually mocking more as the AR-10, not M16. -Slon95 (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2017 (EDT)
- The fact that it's not a very good M16 doesn't in itself mean that it isn't supposed to be one. Evil Tim (talk) 10:46, 22 January 2018 (EST)
- I write it all for nothing? These props were clearly made based on the AR-10, including the characteristic fake upper charging handles, muzzle brakes and sights. Why? Well, probably, the Soviets did not have access to the newer M-16s for the cinema, to make props based on their model. --Slon95 (talk) 11:03, 22 January 2018 (EST)