The overall shape and half underlug makes me think a S&W. Can't tell if the rod is shrouded or not, but it looks to be about the size of a K-frame. It has the lower profile sight and what looks to be a bull barrel, so if it is a S&W, it's either a Model 10HB or a Model 13 (more likely the former). But that's really a guess mostly, honestly can't tell much from that image. StanTheMan (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2016 (EST)
Weapons ID
I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this weapons
Anime name: Pandora in the Crimson Shell: Ghost Urn
The rifle appears to be an AN-94. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:21, 9 January 2016 (EST)
Definitely an AN-94. As for the pistol, I could only say it looks similar to the SIG-Sauer P226.
Russian flag
I don't know, is this important or not, but Russian flag between 1991 and 1993 was another, differ than current: Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:13, 12 January 2016 (EST)
The first flag wasn't approved officially. Let's use the one that is best known.Greg-Z (talk) 16:32, 12 January 2016 (EST) Please ignore my remark as I don't want to start a discussion. Greg-Z (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2016 (EST)
Any context to this?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2016 (EST)
According to wikipedia, "Official Flag of the Russian Federation from 25 December 1991 to 11 December 1993, when it was replaced by the present version." But I'll defer to the Russians here to figure this out. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2016 (EST)
I would like to avoid any discussion on this theme, except the only remark: if we would take in accout each and every change in state insignias, then we have to use 48-star USA flag for pre-1959 movies. Is there any sence in it? Greg-Z (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2016 (EST)
Indeed. Or do we start using the Soviet flag for Russian films pre-1991? Etc. I don't really think this is all that important, and I agree with just sticking with the present-day national flags on the listings for the sake of simplicity. StanTheMan (talk) 13:12, 13 January 2016 (EST)
Sorry, I didn't thought that. Soviet flag also was changed at 1955. I agree - more commonly known flag are preferable. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:22, 13 January 2016 (EST)
I probably got too into the flags thing, but I do think it's important to recognize different eras. Minor tweaks like different shades of blue shouldn't be that big a deal. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:26, 13 January 2016 (EST)
Well it does mean we'll have to include other versions of flags as noted, Soviet flags for anything produced/filmed in USSR Russia, 48 star flags for US films pre-1959, and so forth. Seems like a good bit of extra work for negligible gain, though it is good to be thorough. Honestly, I'm ok either way. StanTheMan (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2016 (EST)
The Soviet-Produced category was created partly due to this, and also because it felt weird to put a Kazakh flag next to something made in the 60's. Like Greg said, if it's a minor variation, like number of stars or variation of color, leave it, if it's a change in government, go ahead. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:20, 14 January 2016 (EST)
See the can of worms you create when you start making pages overly complicated? ;) MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 21:57, 29 January 2016 (EST)
I need help to ID the firearms in my new page
I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody check my ID in the anime Violence Jack and help me to ID the unknown guns? Thanks! Pyramid Silent (talk) 06:01, 21 January 2016 (EST)
They have been made by a few companies over the years, but my guess is that quite a few of the ones that you see in films/TV will not be real and will instead by Airsoft knock-offs. For example, the first one is an Airsoft mask made by Cactus Hobbies based on the masks from Army of Two. This goes for most armour in media, fake Airsoft stuff is cheaper, more easily available with no legal issues, lighter, and generally more comfortable. --commando552 (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2016 (EST)
Splitting article up?
Would like to ask anyone about splitting the Violence Jack article up since it has three different movies in it. Ominae (talk) 07:28, 22 January 2016 (EST)
I'll see if I can ask Pyramid about doing that or failing that, do it myself. Ominae (talk) 09:04, 22 January 2016 (EST)
This series contain three movie without overall plot (the only common character is Jack himself). But, the first movie lasts 40 minutes (40 min. 35 sec.), the second and third - both near one hour (1 h. 2 min. - second movie and 1 h. 1 min. - third movie). So, I dont know, how it's better to issue. Pyramid Silent (talk) 09:24, 22 January 2016 (EST)
I know the policy on short films, what's the policy on OVAs again? --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2016 (EST)
Maybe I was wrong, but I think, that's better keep the single page for all three OVAs, than create different pages for movies from one series. Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:54, 22 January 2016 (EST)
It makes more sense to keep them together if they're OVAs. Can you work with someone to write a summary for the page then? --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2016 (EST)
I'm sorry, I don't understand: should I write the short summary for each of three OVAs (each three sections)? Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:35, 22 January 2016 (EST)
Just something at the top explaining that the page is for a series of three OVAs. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:54, 22 January 2016 (EST)
I add the summary. Maw do you think: is this page complite? Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:24, 22 January 2016 (EST)
I personally would separate on the basis that the article is too long to compile all of them together. But if no one raises an objection, then I shall stand aside. Ominae (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2016 (EST)
X-Files Pistol ID
Bah, after all this still seem to have just got something I missed, which I'm having a bit of trouble IDing, actually, hence this post - Some help, fellas? StanTheMan (talk) 16:07, 24 January 2016 (EST)
Ah, very good - thanks c552. Seems you don't see blued Firestars much which I guess is why I didn't think to check them. StanTheMan (talk) 23:54, 24 January 2016 (EST)
Question about Norinco Type 56
Hello all. Hopefully I am doing this correctly. I'm a new member and have never posted or edited anything before.
There seem to be two seperate rifles that are referred to as "Norinco Type 56". The first and most common is the Chinese version of the AK-47. I see this on multiple pages. The other seems to be a Chinese version of the SKS rifle built by Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant a.k.a "Izhmash". Now, the only spot on the SKS page that actually calls the Chinese version the "Norinco Type 56" is the bottom image on the Talk page for the SKS. I did notices that it's full name appears to be "Norinco Type 56 Carbine" in that image. The images on the main page just label it as the "Chinese built Type 56".
I was wondering if anyone had any info or any opinions on the accuracy of this? It just seems odd that two different (though admittedly similar) rifles by the same manufacturer would have exactly the same name. Even considering the SKS rifle is labeled "carbine", and that makes the names technically different, still doesn't seem quite right. Is the Chinese Type 56 SKS built by Norinco? Are both rifles referred to as the "Type 56"?
Anyway, any info or advice is appreciated. Thanks.
I remembered this article, which gives some background. The reds also called their copy of the RPD the Type 56 as well. The SKS Type 56 was considered a carbine, and the AK Type was considered a submachine gun. It's not too different than the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and M1 Thompson being in service at the same time I suppose. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2016 (EST)
I believe that the Chinese AK, SKS and RPD variants were all introduced in 1956, hence the Type 56 designation. This is actually more sensible than other countries that reuse designations more randomly, for example the UK where L1A1 has referred to at least a rifle, a heavy machine gun, a grenade launcher, a rocket launcher, a bayonet, various fuses and detonators, a couple of grenades, and a tank gun, all from different years and with no particular relation between them. Also, on talk pages remember to sign your posts by either pressing the signature button at the top of the edit window, or by just typing in ~~~~. This way people can see who made the comment and when without looking through the edit history. --commando552 (talk) 08:35, 26 January 2016 (EST)
Hey thanks to both of you. I never thought about how it is basically the same with the "M1" name, but it makes perfect sense. Great article you linked to as well. I love stuff like that. And thanks for the advice on the signature thing... I was kinda wondering why my post was the only one with no user name or date at the end.--Kailin (talk) 09:55, 26 January 2016 (EST)
Is this pistol are Glock or not?
I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody say is this pistol are Glock or not? The same character also holds M1911A1, but methinks, that this pistol has different shape, but maybe, I'm wrong. Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2016 (EST)
Where are you getting Glock from? --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:37, 27 January 2016 (EST)
Methinks, that shape a similar to glock. But, maybe, I'm wrong. What about CZ-75? Pyramid Silent (talk) 04:28, 28 January 2016 (EST)
Where are you getting CZ-75? --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:10, 28 January 2016 (EST)
Looks more like some TT-33, 1911 thing. Really, it could just be a generic pistol thing and not supposed to actually look like an actual gun. Me thinks it's the later.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:48, 28 January 2016 (EST)
I think, that TT ID is correct. Thanks! After close inspection, I see, that this pistol has completely another trigger, differ, than TT or M1911. I shall continue searching. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:24, 28 January 2016 (EST)
"Really, it could just be a generic pistol thing and not supposed to actually look like an actual gun"^^^ Remember, this is anime not a real gun. It's just lines on a cel. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)
A character in Wild Geese II holds a pistol that looks very much alike a Colt Commander but has an external extractor. What can it be? I start doubting that it's an extractor at all, as it appears to be too short in comparison with external extractors on Star M1911 style pistols. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2016 (EST)
Maybe a Llama of some sort? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:23, 5 February 2016 (EST)
All images of Llama pistols that I could find show longer extractors that cross the slide serration, and none of them has a ring hammer spur. Greg-Z (talk) 16:35, 5 February 2016 (EST)
First thing that I think of is a Reck Commander, but I have no idea if they were around in 1985. Either way, my guess would be that it is some kind of blank fire only replica --commando552 (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2016 (EST)
Reck Commander matches perfectly, thanks! According to this article, it appeared in late 1970s. Greg-Z (talk) 03:45, 6 February 2016 (EST)
Need help to ID grenade launcher
Hello! I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this double barreled over/undrer grenade launcher? Pyramid Silent (talk) 18:05, 14 February 2016 (EST)
Thank you very much! Pyramid Silent (talk) 05:56, 15 February 2016 (EST)
Double checking assistance
Working on the Heavy Object article. Need another pair of eyes to double check on an unknown missile launcher. Ominae (talk) 10:08, 20 February 2016 (EST)
Destiny?
First things first, yes I have read all the rules about fictional weapons, and Destiny has a ton of them, but, there are a few exceptions. One such example would be that the Astronauts in the intro are clearly seen holding unmodified MK 18 Mod 0s which are painted white, the first gun you get is an M4 with lots of modifications, and the expansion features an AK with the mag in the stock(wtf?), a cross between a SCAR H and an ARX160, as well as handguns, some of which resemble sigs,others resemble Glocks. (Although not shown in the picture, it does have that same backplate as a glock.) Another thing worth noting is that the scout rifles have lowers that look almost identical to P90s. If we did make a page, I would only put weapons that are undoubtedly based on real ones. I normally wouldn't bring this up, but Black Ops III has a page, and none of the weapons are THAT close to real ones. If the answer is no, then fine, I'll leave it. I just felt it was worth a shot.
(I'll admit that the sidearms and scout rifle might be a bit of a stretch)--BlackHawk510 (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2016 (EST)
I'm going to lean towards no. There was a lot of pushback on the BO3 page as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:39, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Alright, I'll leave it at that.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 01:01, 28 February 2016 (EST)
Durarara!!×2 Ketsu article help
Been trying to figure out in page on the grenade shown by Simon. Ominae (talk) 08:58, 28 February 2016 (EST)
Wow, that is a hell of a lot of weird grenades. I think they are all Russian, and firstly I believe that the F-1 is actually an RGD-5 based on the fact that it lacks the texture and you can just make out the centre rib. As for all the grenades on the sheet with the guns, I can make pretty good guesses at all of them. The green small one looks like a flashbang called the Drofa (these are green in real life like this but are more slender, there are also versions with tear gas that are thicker but are not green), and the spikey bottom one is another flashbang called a Zarya-2. As for the blue ones I am not sure, as there is a whole load of smoke, tear gas and flash grenades that have this general shape. The dark blue is reminiscent of an RGR tear gas grenade however the shape of the lever is wrong, looking more like a RGK-60SZ flashbang (I notice that the rest are also flashbangs, is this the type that all of these are meant to be?). Lastly, the big one is another flashbang, I believe called a Fakel. --commando552 (talk) 10:40, 28 February 2016 (EST)
Thanks. I found the rest of the details here, but it's in Russian. Otherwise, it confirms most of your info. Ominae (talk) 20:23, 28 February 2016 (EST)
If you need, I can make a translation of the Russian text, only a little later. Greg-Z (talk) 02:07, 29 February 2016 (EST)
That'd be great. Only in terms of confirming the IDs I made on the page. Ominae (talk) 02:40, 29 February 2016 (EST)
I put the translated text on your talk page. There are short descriptions and some data. Greg-Z (talk) 04:48, 29 February 2016 (EST)
I don't suppose you happen to able to work out what the difference is between Zarya, Zarya-2, Plamja, Plamja-M and Plamja-M2 grenades is do you? I have found pictures of both the larger and smaller grenades labelled as Zarya-2s with other places stating that the smaller is the Zarya, however, I have found kind of official looking schematics which call the smaller the Zarya-2, and from the stats you translated the Zarya-2 has a smaller weight and payload so doubt that it would be the larger one. As for the Plamja series do you know how these differ from the Zarya? Some places seem to suggest it is just a different fuse (I'm guessing impact, one translated source came out as "scratch" fuse), but from the stats they seem to have actually different effects. Also, does the shape of the lever on the fuse of Russian grenades mean anything or is it random? I originally dismissed the RGR as having the wrong shaped lever, but have now found images of ones with a matching double kink lever. --commando552 (talk) 05:57, 29 February 2016 (EST)
The source that I translated doesn't contain more info, but a brief search gives a good article in Russian; the first image in this source shows Plamya which is a sort of land mine rather than a grenade as it's not throwed by hand but planted on place. The second image is Zarya-2 (additions like -2, -M and similar usually mean modifications in size, weight, explosive charge, and so on). The third image shows a fuze at the left, Fakel (large white cylinder) in center, and Fakel-Salon (for usage indoors unlike Fakel that is intended for outdoor usage) at the right. The following images are Fakel, Vzlyot-M, GSZ, Vuyshka, GRD (a smoke grenade) and ASZ-40 Svirel for grenade launcher. About the fuze levers: the shape of the lever of the fuze is usually standard, and a different lever of the same fuze may be if the fuze is a training version, or sometimes if it was manufactured not in USSR/Russia but in other state (like UZRG fuse of Romanian and Bulgarian manufacture differs from a Russian one). Greg-Z (talk) 08:59, 29 February 2016 (EST)
Need help to identify a pistol
Please help to identify a Smith & Wesson pistol. It appears in a French 1991 movie. The combination of short slide, non-ambidexterious safety, fixed sights and rounded trigger guard doesn't match any of S&W pistols that I could find. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 02:35, 29 February 2016 (EST)
It is a nickel plated S&W 59. You can tell it is a 1st gen rather than a 2nd gen by the fact that the slide stop pin is in front of the double stack frame step. If it was a 2nd gen stainless though it would be a 659 as these were originally made with a round trigger guard and non-ambi safety. --commando552 (talk) 05:26, 29 February 2016 (EST)
Thanks! I searched only among stainless steel pistols and didn't have an idea that it could be a nickel plated pistol. Greg-Z (talk) 05:31, 29 February 2016 (EST)
London Has Fallen
Saw the movie today, and I highly recommend it. Lots of action, plausible plot, stunning visual effects. Of course there was a wide variety of weapons in use, too many to count or study at first glance. Plenty of battlefield pickups.
The movie doesn't seem to be restricted by political "correctness." The "bad guys" are Arab males who live in the Middle East, but their religion isn't mentioned. The "motive" for the terror isn't jihad, but revenge. These particular bad guys are arms dealers who supply jihadist groups, seeking revenge against the US for a drone strike which took out the daughter of the main villain.
Meh, pc:ness is overrated. If someone is offended, maybe they shouldn´t watch these generic action movies. I´ve been waiting to see London Has Fallen myself, but it premieres in cinemas in April where I live... --Warejaws (talk) 02:14, 5 March 2016 (EST)
Seeking input for article!
Hello IMFDB community!
I am a journalist writing about games and technology, and I'm currently writing an article about weapons in video games. Specifically, the piece is about the difference between games with realistic present-day weapons and games with fantastical sci-fi weapons. A focal point will be the way that the Call of Duty franchise has shifted from historical settings to near-future settings to more distant futures, and how the weapons in the game have shifted along with that.
I stumbled upon the IMFDB while researching this piece, and the way you include certain games but exclude other more fanciful franchises (E.g. Halo, Destiny) really highlights some of the things I'm trying to explore in this article.
I was hoping to talk to someone in your community about how decisions are made on which games you cover, and what the criteria are. (Policy is spelled out quite clearly on the site, but I'd love to hear a little bit of the history of how the current consensus was arrived at, and what some of the points of contention have been over the years.)
I would also love to talk to someone who enjoys games that feature accurate real-world weapons, and has contributed to IMFDB pages about those games.
If you're up for an interview, you can contact me a chrisbaker1337 at gmail.
Thanks so much!
The site originally covered movies and TV, anime and video games were added later. Certain sci-fi/fantasy weapons are included here because they were built from real weapons, like the pulse rifles in Aliens or the blasters in Star Wars. This excludes video games like Halo and Destiny. In theory, if someone were to make a live-action Halo movie using real firearms (Forward Unto Dawn used replicas with CGI muzzle flash), that might open the door Halo. As for COD, I'm disappointed that it's strayed so far into sci-fi, but I suppose it makes sense from a business perspective. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:32, 24 March 2016 (EDT)
I know I've said this before, or something like this, but I would like to mention that there are quite a few of Destiny's weapons that are combinations of real ones, (E.G. the "Arminius-D" is simply a combination of a SCAR-H and a Beretta ARX160), and there are some obvious AR15s (unmodified Mk18 carbines in the intro, and a heavily modified M4 which has the receiver almost untouched is the first weapon acquired), so Destinyis still something you could mention in your article, although its qualification for an IMFDB page is still quite debatable.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 13:31, 24 March 2016 (EDT)
The revolver ID'd as a Model 67 appears to have a 5 round cylinder along with a shoruded ejector rod, my guess would be that it is a newer Model 60 with a 3" barrel and adjustable sights. Also, to me none of the "LA gangsters" in that shot are using Glocks, the one on the right has a Ruger and the one on the left has what looks like a SIG, my guess a P226 but can't really tell. I'm not sure about the Kimar Lady K either, that is identifiable most easily by the black trigger guard and controls which are not present on this gun. The shape also looks slightly off for a Walther PP/PPK, with it lacking a safety, the slide serrations are different and the magazine release is too low. --commando552 (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
I made some remarks on IDs on the talk page, check there. StanTheMan (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
Call of Duty Black Ops Commando.
Most people saying that is an Colt 933, or an Colt 733 (M4 Commando). Also some said that "Firstly, as far as I know there is no such thing as a Model 733 with a flat top, that is just a Model 933. What do you think the difference is? The gun in the game isn't a Model 933 or a 733 though, as regardless of the different design of rail, it also has a slickside upper receiver without a FA or BD. The closest match I can come up with would be a GAU-5A/A with a flash hider rather than the moderator (which was actually done) with a fictional/custom upper with a sight rail. --commando552". He said it in the link. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Talk:Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops#Commando_in_Black_Ops. I'm am trying to figure it out what the gun really is. --Treliazz777 (talk) 22:27, 15 April 2016 (EDT)
I don't get what it is you're trying to ask here, frankly - Is it about the gun in the game or the gun image here? If the latter, well the gun in that image is a Model 933 with an older 'Fiberlite' collapsible stock, rather than the later M4-style 6-position stock. But it's still a M933 - Per commando552's quote there, Model 733s do not have, nor ever had flat-top removable carry handle upper receivers (Refer to the Colt AR-15 Identification Guide). If the former, my remarks (if any) will be in the linked discussion page. StanTheMan (talk) 01:15, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
It looks okay to me, the unknown sniper rifle Sara is using could be Nemesis Arms Vanquish or Kel-Tec RFB, I'm not too sure. I suppose there's no better view of the rifle in any part of the episode? --CnC Fin (talk) 03:04, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
Looks like a Vanquish. The way she holds it wouldn't make sense if it's a Kel-Tec. I also took a look at the barrel as well. Ominae (talk) 08:51, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
Most of it looks good, there's a couple IDs I question, but I'll note that on the talk page. I do believe the rifle you refer is indeed a Nemesis Arms Vanquish. StanTheMan (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
Another year...
...another CoD game Trigger warning for those easily offended, but i actually think it looks fun as hell.
I'm not to sure about making an entry for this game, however, along with Infinite Warfare comes the Modern Warfare remake, should we add some new screens form that "remaster" to the current CoD:MW entry?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
I didn't see anything identifiable. Even if it is eligible, and at the moment, I don't think it is, it's a bit early. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:35, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
I think this game is going for the Frankengun designs, judging by this image. From what I can tell, this is going the Halo route in terms of weapon designs.--SeanWolf (talk) 23:26, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
Looks like a mix between that Magpul PDR, a P90 and it seems to have something similar to a LR-300 handguard betweem the sights for some reason. Why are guns so bulky in the future?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:06, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
That thing is an abomination. It is clearly cobbled together by somebody who has no idea how the guns they are taking parts from actually work. For example, it also has the T style charging handle from an AR, but it is mounted into the scope rail rather than being anywhere near the bolt (granted it could be connected by a rod or manipulate a long stroke gas piston but lets be honest, they weren't thinking that). It also looks like the distance it can travel before it hits that cheek riser is less than the length of a round anyway, and the bolt would need to travel father than this to cycle the weapon at all. Why does it have a cheek riser anyway? The sights are already pretty low and by adding that you make it downright impossible to look through them comfortably. And what's up with the little length of pic rail in the middle of the receiver? It has bits of gun both ahead and behind it that protrude farther than it so not only would you not be able to use attachments that have to slide onto the rail, it would have to be something with a large stand-off to see over the handguard, which is pointless part anyway as you can't possibly hold it. --commando552 (talk) 13:01, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, I'd say draw the line here unless something a bit more "real" turns up later on. We should probably put a locked placeholder page there saying why we don't have one, though. Evil Tim (talk) 14:32, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
But it looks c007 br0!!1 Really though, i agree that the weapon design doesn't make any sense, then again, is there any case where it does make sense in a game with fictional weapons? It's like that AR thing in Borderlands 2, which had a lower receiver similar to a Vektor.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
Trigger warning? What is this, Tumblr? Haha, bad joke, I know. CloversCorner (talk) 16:30, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
I was taking the piss.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:13, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
Trigger discipline warning? Evil Tim (talk) 16:23, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
I don't i don't know.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:51, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
So, Game Informer just released their cover story on COD: IW and, just looking at the cover alone, there is only ONE gun I can maybe ID. The rest just look like frankenguns --SeanWolf (talk) 12:09, 10 June 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, I found some more images showing that rifle ([1], [2], [3]). The receiver is pretty similar to this Northtech Defense one. Plus, I think there's a Glock in a holster of the guy second from the left on the GI cover.--Quarax (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
Also, in the first image I linked, the rifle the guy on the left is holding has of course been mirrored.--Quarax (talk) 23:02, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
It's similar to the Northtech, but I believe that it is actually a VLTOR MUR-1A. This rifle looks suspiciously like a real,practical rifle for a futuristic COD game. I t makes me think that it is a bait-and-switch and by the time of final release it will have been replaced with some sci-fi abomination --commando552 (talk) 06:49, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
Looks like you got it. I doubt they'll remove that rifle from the game, though. While it is a strange choice in such a COD game set even further in the future than Black Ops III (which just barely included actual weapons), it looks they created a new model for it, and you can tell they tried to make it look futuristic with stuff like those bulky handguard attachments. It's also front and present on the game's new cover (the second image I linked). But, even if they remove the rifle, I can't see them taking out that Glock from the game; that's probably just a part of the character's model.--Quarax (talk) 15:43, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
Apparently the further into the future we go, the bulkier and less ergonomical (and more complicated) weapons become.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
Battlefield Uno
Here's a trailer for the new BF. It's called Battlefield 1 (Steve Burns wouldn't like this) and it takes place in alternate history WW1 with lots of orange glowy things and dubstep. It got trains and horses to(o)!--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:30, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
Also, plenty of WW1 guns to go around. Here's to us hoping weapons like the Fedorov Avtomat will make appearances. Also, is it too much to hope for a BF2142 Titan gamemode, only with Zeppelins?--SSgt LuLZ (talk) 08:16, 7 May 2016 (GMT)
I wanna see that Chauchat machine gun, that would be fun. --AnActualAK47 (talk) 20:24, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
COUGH COUGH More Premium bs COUGH COUGH
COUGH COUGH sign your posts COUGH COUGH--AnActualAK47 (talk) 11:17, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
Checking assistance
Need some help to check and see if I missed anything here and here. Ominae (talk) 09:00, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
Duplicate?
Anyone would light to weight on whether to delete either one of the images here or here since they're almost the same. Ominae (talk) 09:10, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
I'm inclined to delete the first one, but it's in use on quite a few pages. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:44, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
I think the best one is probably the second one, but the previous version before it was over darkened. As for it being on a lot of pages, I wouldn't worry about it too much as we can just delete the file and replace it with a redirect to the preferred version. That way the code doesn't need to be changed on any pages. For example this page was a duplicate file so it was deleted and replaced with a redirect to the other version. If you look at the file usage you can see that some pages still link through the old file name, but functionally it has zero effect. --commando552 (talk) 13:36, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
If anyone has no issues, I can take care of that after I leave the office. Ominae (talk) 21:01, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
Help to ID the pistol (missed gun from Najica Blitz Tactics)
May somebody helps me to ID the pistol from Najica Blitz Tactics:
The Humaritt Koharu (SSS) uses a it in "Mission: 005 - The Fragile Dream with a Crimson Colored Horizon".
I believe it is a Luger. --commando552 (talk) 09:10, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
I concur, Luger P08. StanTheMan (talk) 14:45, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
Many thanks for the help! Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:55, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
Cry of Fear page
I'm interested in creating a page for Cry of Fear, by far one of the best horror games out there (on par with Silent Hill) It was initially a mod (made on the Half-Life GoldSource engine) that eventually got a standalone release three years ago. Is it OK to create a page for it? Despite it's former mod status?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:16, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
If it's a standalone, it would qualify. --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:59, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
Nice. Now i just gotta get the balls to play it, super spoopy.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 21:19, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
The game's description claims that this is a glock 19, but the size makes it look more like a glock 17. Any idea what it might actually be? BTW, can glock 19s take 15 round mags?
As for the picture, looks more like a Glock 17 to me. The standard magazine for a Glock 19 is a 15 rounder, so, yes the can take them. If you meant to ask if a Glock 17 can take 15 round magazines, I don't believe so short of customised ones. --commando552 (talk) 17:44, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
Well, you can always down-load a larger mag. Anyway I agree about that being a G17, slide looks too long for a 19. StanTheMan (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
As for the frame, it looks pretty close to a full-size one, is it though?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
That's also a Glock 17. Easiest way to tell from this angle is the shape of the bottom of the pistol grip. --commando552 (talk) 18:57, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
Glock 17 confirmed. Thanks.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:22, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
I'd also just like to add that that is a really common 3d model (Possibly freeware) for a Glock 17. It's used in tons of mods/addons for source games.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
I was thinking that it might be some kind of freeware model, but according to the game's credits, the model and animations were made for Cry of Fear.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
More ID help plz, what's this rifle? Kinda reminds me of an Lee-Enfield SMLE.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:08, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
It is definitely an SMLE No. 1 Mk.III* but not certain about the exact variation. It appears to have the scope of the Australian HT model but it is missing the wood cheek rest on the stock which that should have. --commando552 (talk) 18:15, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
Hopefully this is the last time i'll need help with IDing. This gun looks an Ruger P90, but it seems to mix parts from a KP90. Additionally, the gun is called "P345" in-game. Is there any ruger handgun by that name? Any handgun at all with that name?
As the name suggests, it is a Ruger P345. It replaced the P97 in 2004, and was replaced by the SR45 in 2013. --commando552 (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
Wow, thanks! Didn't know about that gun.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
Just a little thing, the P345 in the game is specifically a P345PR as it has a rail on the dust cover, but you can still just call it a P345 if you want, since that's still correct as Ruger seems to have dropped the "PR" from the name once the rail became standard. Mr. Wolf (talk) 04:06, 21 June 2016 (EDT)
Is this the first (known) appearance of that gun in any media? There's no page for it on the site.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:22, 21 June 2016 (EDT)
Just add a section for it in the Ruger P series page. Mr. Wolf (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
Help to ID some guns
Hello! I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID firearms in this page? Thanks! Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
What the hell is going on on that show?!--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:45, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
It's funny, "Pistol 2" has a Walther marking. But that's all I can say. --Slon95 (talk) 08:55, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
Some pics
Hey Everyone, MPM2008 here. How have you been? Will be posting some nice pics of screen used guns soon. I saw PhoenixEnt over the weekend and it was nice. Got some great help from PhoenixEnt, Papac from Cinema Weaponry and Mike Tristano and a few others (but I had forgotten how much a hassle it is to set up backgrounds and studio photography of the guns.) LOL. Everyone was great and very helpful. More cools pics are coming soon. best regards, MPM MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 20:43, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
Smith & Wesson Model 10 with customized grips. --Slon95 (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
Thanks!!! btw anime is called 91 Days
Once again, please don't forget to sign your messages by adding ~~~~. Greg-Z (talk) 06:37, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
Rifle ID
I ran into this while capping The Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Season 1. Bolt action rifle, commercial, since it has the butter knife handle and the double triggers. Don't mind the weird underbarrel thing, that's a mocked up infrared scope. I don't think it's a Mannlicher-Schoenauer, given the placement of the bolt. Any ideas? --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:40, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
My meds have stopped working on me and I need some help setting page up Talk:The Soldier (1982). It could be 12 or more hours before I can sit still long enough to type. I would appreciate any help with getting the page correct. Mark in tx (talk) 00:46, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
As I can see, the main problem is a wrong aspect ratio of the screenshots, as they look too stretched. Also, a minor mistake: when you are creating links, don't put brackets inside square brackets. Not (Steve James) but (Steve James). Greg-Z (talk) 01:08, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
The cap are from a VHS rip, that is the aspect ratio of the film. I"ll go back and fix the brackets issue, thank you. Mark in tx (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
I think somebody did the rip wrong in that case. Compare the two images below:Error creating thumbnail: File missingYour original aspect ratioError creating thumbnail: File missingCorrected aspect ratioThe second image has been corrected to a 16:9 aspect ratio, and to me it is pretty obvious that this one is more correct (unless that actor has a freakiashly shaped head). --commando552 (talk) 13:32, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
Unable to upload pictures?
For the last few days I have been unable to upload any pictures, does anybody else have the same problem?--Hchris (talk) 11:24, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
you sure your pictures are jpgs and not pngs or something else? I haven't had any problems--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:12, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
A usual cure for this problem is a renaming of a file that causes an error. Greg-Z (talk) 12:49, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
The Other users are correct. I don't see any problem in uploading images to IMFDB at this time. Double check that they are JPEGs and not some other wonky file type. Also makes sure that the actual file names appears in the line for that info on the upload page. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 22:52, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
MPM you are the best :D Evil Tim (talk) 02:01, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
I tried it again and it does not work, I always get this error message: Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/00". What does this mean? Yep it is .jpg format, I did everything the same as the other screenshots I uploaded. --Hchris (talk) 06:06, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
The problem is with all and every upload or with a single image? In second case try to rename the file, remove all spaces and dashes from the name, for example. Usually this helps. Greg-Z (talk) 06:33, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
You may also have to move around your images on your end as well (to a different folder, that is) in addition to renaming them prior to uploading - I've had to do that on some caps myself. StanTheMan (talk) 14:42, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
The wiki doesn't like certain combinations of numbers, especially things like -627- or -1911-. Try removing any numbers from your filename or adding some letters around them. Evil Tim (talk) 15:07, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
The Walking Dead Season 7 Page?
Anyone gotta make a page for TWD Season 7? I know what guns are seen in the Season 7 trailer, Dwight (Austin Amelio) switches from SIG P226 to Smith & Wesson M&P, a Kingdom guy draws a Beretta 92FS, Saviors with FN FAL, scoped AR-15, Remington or Winchester rifles, Heath (Corey Hawkins) continues to use his Benelli B76, Unknown teenage girl fires a scoped M4A1, and Tara (Alanna Masterson) holds a Remington 870 Wingmaster.
But I know Morgan (Lennie James) has a Beretta 92FS holstered, Spencer (Austin Nichols) with his Norinco Type 56 AK, Gabriel (Seth Gilliam) with his Winchester Model 70, Negan (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) has a Springfield Armory TRP, and Tara & Savior (Steven Ogg) has their M&Ps holstered.
From SpoilingTheDeadFans Facebook, a few Saviors are seen carrying Remington rifles or shotguns, Steyr AUG without a scope, Norinco Type 56 & 56-1 AKs, and a H&K MP5A2 or A3?
You could start making a page, seems like you've already I.D some weapons.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
I honestly don't know how to make a page or what to type. I know how to upload and add stuff into a page but yeah, that's all I can do. I checked STDF Facebook again and it's a Heckler & Koch MP5A2. Thestormjamieson (talk) 17:42, 27 July 2016 (CST)
IMFDB Page Templates contains pretty much a basic level of all the formatting and layout needed to start a page. The IMFDB Style Guide and IMFDB Screencapping Guide - both of which are included in the welcome message in the first section in your personal talk page - contain additional relevant editing info that should help carry you most the rest of the way. That said, users must refrain from using any images unless they are released legitimately and officially. Until legit images and/or trailers are released, I think you'll just have to wait before starting said page. StanTheMan (talk) 02:08, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
Okay, and I found out that the unknown teenage girl firing a M4A1 with a Aimpoint scope is a young actress named Sydney Park. Also there's a photo released of Negan (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) fires a M4A1 with ACOG scope inside the RV, it's the same rifle used by Michonne (Danai Gurira) & Engeue (Josh McDermitt) in Season 6. Thestormjamieson (talk) 20:46, 4 August 2016 (CST)
Well, I finally made a page for The Walking Dead - Season 7 and it was half easy & half difficult. Also I add screen caps from the Season 7 trailer. Thestormjamieson (talk) 00:38, 13 August 2016 (CST)
Site Crash
At approximately noon PST today the imfdb web server suffered a terminal failure, wiping the entire boot and swap partition. The database server was not affected. Restoration was successfully completed from a backup made just before the failure to a new web server. Approximate downtime was 4 hours. --bunni (talk) 18:47, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
Don't know if something's funky with my internet connection (which i highly doubt) but i've had several connection loses to this site in particular recently. Very annoying seeing that after editing a page.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 09:54, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
I was seeing the same - had to alter some configurations on the new server. I believe this is sorted now; I've been keeping a close eye on it for the last few days. --bunni (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
CZ 82/CZ 83
We have separate pages for CZ 82 and CZ 83 pistols. As far as I know, this is the same gun that differs only in caliber: CZ 82 (Česká Zbrojovka vz. 82) is a base version in 9x18 PM, intended for Czechoslovakian military, while CZ 83 is a commercial version in .32 ACP, .380 ACP and 9x18 PM. So I suggest to merge these pages under CZ 82/83 title. What do you think? Greg-Z (talk) 02:50, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
I'd agree with merging them. Aside from the slide markings are there any differences between an early model 83 and and 82? I'm just wondering how we would be able to tell those apart at all without a really close look. I believe the 83s tend to have a nicer finish, but this is generally a very hard thing to tell in movies or TV so wondered if there was a more definitive difference for ID'ing them. --commando552 (talk) 08:36, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
Hey Greg, while you're at it, could you please also mention CZ 82 on the general CZ page? Currently only CZ 83 is mentioned there, PeeWee055 (talk) 09:35, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
OK, so I'll merge both pages and add appropriate redirects, and fix CZ page also. Thanks. Greg-Z (talk) 14:24, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
PPSh-41 page really should be split up
There was a discussion about this ~five years ago on the weapon's [Page], but it didn't really seem to reach a solid conclusion and the page stayed the same. The PPD-40, PPSh-41, and PPS-43 have a lot of similarities (open bolt blowback, same caliber, all three use 35 round mags and only the PPS lacks a 71 round drum) but are ultimately completely different. They don't share magazines or a significant number of parts and all three were designed by different people - they're related in name and function only. This is made worse by the fact that the completely unrelated Suomi KP/-31 is also listed there despite using a completely different straight blowback system and ultimately being an unrelated development (only the shape looks similar.)
The general argument against separating the page seemed to be ease of use and finding pages, but considering that the Bergmann MP18, Haenel-Schmeisser MP28/II, and Lanchester Mk. I all have separate pages despite having much, much more in common, (the MP28 is an MP18 and the Lanchester is a direct derivative) it doesn't make sense that similar looking guns are grouped together simply to avoid confusion (the SA Vz.58 is not listed on the AK page despite often being confused for one.)
If the plan is to stick to the facts, then they should be separated. --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 10:07, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
I support this proposal. I see the following separate pages:
Suomi
PPD-34 + PPD-40
PPSh-41 + K-50M
PPS-43 (and Tikkakoski M/44 / Dux M53, if those would appear)
I think I made the initial argument for the split. Absolutely. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:22, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
Tried setting it up, but it looks like an Admin will have to at least create the pages, because the individual weapon names auto redirect to the general PPSh-41/PPS-43 page. The move function doesn't work for them because of this. --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
I've completed the splits, with separate PPSh-41, PPD-34/40, Suomi and PPS-43 pages. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:46, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
Please help ID
A Beretta would be a close guess, but it isn't.
Any idea about this pistol used by David Belle in "Divine Intervention" (2002) ? It's seen here at 3:39 and here at 3:55, but the quality is low so I can't directly identify it. 39 seconds later he also uses a carbine that is not clearly seen. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:57, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
Looks like a Beretta 92FS with extension/compensator and large (old) red-dot/Aimpoint-type sight. StanTheMan (talk) 14:19, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
Aimpoint? Looks more like an EOTech.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:33, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
So I guess it is indeed a Beretta, but isn't it a variant shorter than the 92FS? Note the length behind the compensator. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 08:09, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
I think that's just prospective. Mr. Wolf (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2016 (EDT)
^ I think you mean to say perspective, I agree. StanTheMan (talk) 03:02, 11 August 2016 (EDT)
Yep, upon closer inspection, I'll go for the 92FS; thanks peeps! --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:06, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
What's it called?
Certain pistols (like the glock) has this thing wherein if you insert a magazine with a little bit of force, the slide will lock back by itself. What is this called?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 21:19, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
It seems impossible that inserting the magazine with any amount of force could possibly lock the slide back. Do you mean the other way round, whereby if the you insert a loaded magazine into a gun with the slide locked back hard enough it will release the slide? If so this is called an automatic slide release or an auto forward. The thing is though, this isn't a feature on a Glock, it is a malfunction. It can be made more likely to happen by having a worn slide or slide release or by over lubrication, but even on a perfect gun this can still happen if you slam the magazine in hard enough. Without an unloaded magazine in place the only thing that is keeping the slide locked back on the catch is a small amount of friction between the slide stop and the notch in the slide, and a big whack as you insert the magazine can be enough to make the slide jump slightly and release the tension between it and the slide stop, meaning that the stop will drop and the slide will auto forward. There are actually some pistols (and some long guns) that do this by design, but this tends to be older weapons before they realised that it might be unsafe for a weapon to chamber itself. This concept is still used in some competition guns though as this is a situation where the tiny time saving of a system like this is actually useful. --commando552 (talk) 05:27, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
Yeah i meant it the other way around, sorry for the confusion. Anyway, i saw some people saying that it was a good "feature" which seems strange according to what you've said.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 06:54, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
Help ID this pistol (from Conan)
This is from real life, not a movie. Full Conan video: Conan Visits DMZ
This pistol was worn on the hip of a US soldier serving at the Korean DMZ, shown in the episode when Conan visits Korea. It looks strangely archaic and not at all like modern pistols I assumed would be used by US soldiers.
--Mss gag (talk) 09:34, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
It looks like a Beretta M9. The holster appears to be covering part of the slide, so it may look a bit weird. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:46, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
Are you planning on making a Conan page on the site? Or are you just curious Mss gag? As for the gun, it does look like a M9, but the lighting make it look like it has wooden grips, at least to me.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 09:49, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
I agree that's an M9, as is customary - It is still a standard sidearm but I'll admit there is something to your remark as it is a 30-year old sidearm now. Of course most other proven sidearms are that old or close (Glocks, SIGs, etc), that and we still use ARs that in basic design date back to the fifties and many carry 1911s which of course date back more than a century now. 'If it still works' is a phrase that comes to mind, especially with the military. Anyway, Conan has used some pieces on his show (ISS Non Guns, and I believe an actual blank-fire Beretta 92FS fired by Andy Richter in a fairly recent skit) but I don't think such a page would be eligible. StanTheMan (talk) 15:25, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
@AnActualAK47 No, I'm not planning on making a Conan page, just curious when I saw it. Thanks for all the feedback guys! I didn't know that the US military still uses M9s with wooden grips. --Mss gag (talk) 00:18, 10 August 2016 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure those are standard grips, myself - I also think the wood look is a trick from the lighting. Your welcome in any event. StanTheMan (talk) 04:15, 10 August 2016 (EDT)
On taking screencaps from DVD copies
Do I need to adjust the resolution on the screenshots from DVDs via VLC? Ominae (talk) 05:21, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
DVD copies technically treat the video files as an aspect ratio of 4:3, so using the "Take Snapshot" function on VLC will cause the image to shrink. Is that what you mean? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:43, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
I believe that a screenshot on VLC will have the same aspect ratio as it is set to in the player. If it is 16:9 and the aspect ratio is set to 16:9 in VLC (or default, I believe most of the time it works automatically correctly), the screenshot will be taken correctly. Having said that, I have had VLC behave differently on different OSs or with different video cards/drivers. --commando552 (talk) 09:31, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
VLC should preserve the native aspect ratio, but I know older versions had a bug where it automatically set it to 16:9. I'm pretty sure this has been fixed. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:44, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, my concern was that whether I should leave the aspect ratio when I load up a DVD on VLC prior to taking screenshots or not. I looked around to see if 4:3 or 16:9 is the correct AR for DVDs. Ominae (talk) 22:24, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
When in doubt, go to IMDB and look under Technical Specifications. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:37, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
It should also say what the aspect ratio should be on the back of the disc case. For example, 4:3, 1.78:1 or 2.35:1 are the aspect ratios listed on 3 DVDs I just pulled off of my shelf. In all these 3 cases VLC picked and displayed the correct aspect ratio in the "Default" mode. Just to add, anything with an aspect ratio wider than 1.78:1 or 16:9 will actually be 16:9 with black bars at the top and bottom. I was about to suggest cropping it in VLC to the aspect ratio displayed on the back of the case (e.g. 2.35:1), but when I try to take a screenshot with the video cropped VLC crashes every time. Does anybody else have this problem? Regardless, you are probably better off using something like FastStone to batch crop letter-boxed screenshots, as it is quite common that the image is not actually in the centre or is slightly off-spec so if VLC crops it you either end up with some of the image being chopped off or it leaving bits of black behind.
Question about trigger discipline
So I've seen some photos from about the WW1 to the WW2 era and noticed that the trigger discipline wasn't stellar. But seemingly around, ohh, maybe the sixties and forward it seemed to improve and nowadays it's exercised fairly well amongst civilians to cops and various armed forces. What im wondering is when and why did this change happen? I doubt someone stop up one day and said that people should keep their fingers off their triggers when they weren't gun blasting and that was it, but there must have been something that changed the attitude towards it. Anyone has any info on this?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:42, 26 August 2016 (EDT)
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