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-Actually Norinco made a copy of the M203 40mm grenade launcher to be used with AK type weapons. So this setup is believable -Spectre85 | -Actually Norinco made a copy of the M203 40mm grenade launcher to be used with AK type weapons. So this setup is believable -Spectre85 | ||
::No it is ridiculous ... since the weapon is supposed to be RUSSIAN, not Chinese (since the weapon was taken off of a Spetnaz Sergeant) and the Russians never used M203 or clones of the M203 during this time period. Also I've never heard of a Norinco M203 so please furnish a link or something to prove this. This is very intriguing information. | ::No it is ridiculous ... since the weapon is supposed to be RUSSIAN, not Chinese (since the weapon was taken off of a Spetnaz Sergeant) and the Russians never used M203 or clones of the M203 during this time period. Also I've never heard of a Norinco M203 so please furnish a link or something to prove this. This is very intriguing information. | ||
-http://mumbletomyneighbor.blogspot.com/2008/09/chucky-taylor-american-warlord.html shows a photo of American Traitor Chucky Taylor with a AK-47 with an attached Norinco clone of an M203 grenade launcher. Look him up and you can find lots of photos of him with this setup. | -http://mumbletomyneighbor.blogspot.com/2008/09/chucky-taylor-american-warlord.html shows a photo of American Traitor Chucky Taylor with a AK-47 with an attached Norinco clone of an M203 grenade launcher. Look him up and you can find lots of photos of him with this setup. -Spectre85 | ||
- As far as the multiple shots from the M203, Rambo picks up at least two grenades from the sand after defeating Sgt. Kourov. With one alread chambered in the launcher, he could have three or four shots. He is seen reloading it when he and Trautman are taking cover in the ditch. | - As far as the multiple shots from the M203, Rambo picks up at least two grenades from the sand after defeating Sgt. Kourov. With one alread chambered in the launcher, he could have three or four shots. He is seen reloading it when he and Trautman are taking cover in the ditch. | ||
Revision as of 00:21, 18 March 2009
Rambo III (1988) is an unusual movie in that it's production was halted about two thirds into the shooting schedule of the film. Rambo III was scheduled to film entirely in Israel (and Thailand for the first part of the film), and many scenes were filmed in Eilat (the southern most tip of Israel between Jordan and Egypt), using Israeli armorers. However, the spectacle of a major American movie being filmed in the middle east created a lot of concern about terrorist attacks (to disrupt the production and 'send a message of the U.S.'). Before production could be completed, it is said that Israel revoked the production's permission to remain in the country (the rumored reason being security concerns and threats made to the American film crew). Not wishing for a multi million dollar film to be scrapped, then California State Senator Pete Wilson (R) (a big proponent of the film industry in California and later Governor of the state), helped the production relocate back to Southern California and Arizona. The remaining shots were completed (including many insert shots) using the same talent, but utilizing areas around the American Western Desert, most notable Yuma, AZ for the final battle and Lone Pine, CA for 2nd unit photography. The sudden change from 'accurate Soviet weaponry' (provided by the Israeli armorers) to the typical 'faux' weaponry seen in many American movies, is explained by this sudden relocation back to the U.S.A. Thus we see mocked up Browning M2 .50 cal Machine guns instead of real Soviet DShK 12.7mm MGs, etc. Stembridge Gun Rentals took over the final shoot (back in the states).
Most notably, the armored vehicles at the final battle changed from the authentic and original Soviet armored vehicles from the middle of the film, to the modified American tanks. These were provided by Veluzat Armored Vehicles out of Newhall, California. Only aficionados of tanks would notice the change.
The weapons used in this movie are:
Assault Rifles
AK-47
Seen carried by the Mujahideen and by Armed tribal members in Peshawar, Pakistan. The ones in the early parts of the film are authentic AK-47s (the real deal). These were all captured enemy arms, taken during the many wars between Israel and their neighbor nations. Israeli movie armorers have access to tons of authentic captured Soviet weaponry over the years, and any film shot in Israel would have real Soviet guns.
AKS-47
Seen briefly, some of the Soviet Soldiers carry the milled receiver AKS-47 underfolder rifle, the predecessor to the underfolder AKMS rifle. Since this sequence was filmed in Israel, one can assume these are authentic Russian AK-47 Milled receiver weapons.
AKM
Full Stock AKMs are used by the Mujahideen and the Russians. Rambo and Col. Trautman also use the AKM rifle on numerous occasions throughout the film. The ones used while filming in Israel are real Soviet AKM rifles. The ones used while filming in the United States were Maadi ARM rifles (the American imported versions of the MISR).
AKMS
Carried by Mujahideen, the Russians and Rambo.
Type 56 Assault Rifle
When filming shifted to the U.S., the Chinese Type 56 (the military name of the imported Norinco AKS-47 Chinese rifles) were used in place of the AK-47s. In a historical context, this is not an anachronism, since China supplied many Type 56 rifles to the Mujahideen fighters (by way of Pakistan) during the 1980s.
AMD 65
Colonel Trautman (Richard Crenna) and Rambo are seen with a Hungarian AMD-65 rifle. The traditional muzzle brake of the AMD-65 was replaced with an Israeli Blank fire adapter (also seen on the other AK variants). The same AMD-65 type rifles were also wielded by Russian Tankers (ironically, wearing the same 'faux' Soviet winter tanker uniforms made for the film "Red Dawn".)
Fake AKS-74
AKS-74 rifles were mocked up from AKMS underfolder rifles. The real AKS-74 assault rifle (5.45mm) is a side folding rifle. The ones in the film, however were obvious underfolding stocks as well as 7.62 sized magazines. A faux AK-74 style muzzle brake was put on the rifles. Remember that this was filmed in 1987, and no AK74 or 5.45mm guns existed in the United States (or our allies) at this time.
AKM with underslung M203 40mm grenade launcher
Of all the wacky weapons to appear in a war movie, this is one of the strangest combinations in cinema history. Lacking the Soviet 40mm BG-15 grenade launcher which was mounted to the real AK-74 rifles in the Russo-Afghan war, the movie armorers merely attached a U.S. made M203 grenade launcher to a Maadi AKM (ARM) rifle (with an aftermarket side folding stock). It is first seen wielded by Sgt. Kourov (Randy Raney), who is killed in a one on one fight with Rambo. Rambo later takes the weapon and uses it at the final battle. What is unusual is that after the first shot, Rambo fires multiple shots out of the 40mm launcher when he has no more visible rounds to load the weapon with.
-Actually Norinco made a copy of the M203 40mm grenade launcher to be used with AK type weapons. So this setup is believable -Spectre85
- No it is ridiculous ... since the weapon is supposed to be RUSSIAN, not Chinese (since the weapon was taken off of a Spetnaz Sergeant) and the Russians never used M203 or clones of the M203 during this time period. Also I've never heard of a Norinco M203 so please furnish a link or something to prove this. This is very intriguing information.
-http://mumbletomyneighbor.blogspot.com/2008/09/chucky-taylor-american-warlord.html shows a photo of American Traitor Chucky Taylor with a AK-47 with an attached Norinco clone of an M203 grenade launcher. Look him up and you can find lots of photos of him with this setup. -Spectre85
- As far as the multiple shots from the M203, Rambo picks up at least two grenades from the sand after defeating Sgt. Kourov. With one alread chambered in the launcher, he could have three or four shots. He is seen reloading it when he and Trautman are taking cover in the ditch.
Rifles
Lee-Enfield No.1 MkIII*
In actuality there are no clear examples of the SMLE (No 1 Mk III) in the movie, however it is very possible that they were used in the mass scenes of horsemen. The Vast majority of rifles seen clearly seen being carried by any combatant on film are AK-47s, Mauser Kar98ks, Mosin-Nagant M91/30s and Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk 1s. When Rambo was in Peshawar, a number of Afghans in the crowded street were seen with No.1 MkIII* rifles slung over their shoulders while Rambo was heading to the arms dealer.
Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I
Seen in the hands of Mujahideen fighters throughout the film.
Mauser Karabiner 98k
Seen in the hands of Mujahideen fighters thoughout the film. Since most of the film was made in Israel, it is likely that the Mauser Kar98k rifles that were used were Israeli Mauser Kar98k rifles chambered for the 7.62mm NATO round.
Mosin Nagant M91/30
Seen in the hands of Mujahideen fighters thoughout the film.
SKS Rifle
Seen in the weapons shop by the Peshawar Arms Dealer.
SVD Dragunov
Rambo briefly carried the SVD Dragunov rifle after the Hind helicopter he stole was shot down. Considering the time frame, it is also likely that the rifle is a Norinco NDM-86, the Chinese clone of the SVD rifle, since the NDM-86 was readily available for commercial sale during the late 1980s.
Rambo is seen in a deleted scene using the SVD to take down several Russians before it runs out of ammunition and is discarded.
Submachine guns
PM-63
This weapon is used by Colonel Zaysen (Marc de Jonge) during the interrogation scene.
Squad Automatics and Heavy Machine Guns
PKM machine gun
Used by Rambo during the final battle with the Red Army.
Browning AN/M2 .30 Cal Machine Gun
An unfortunate result of the sudden relocation of filming back to the U.S., a 'Soviet' soldier fires a mocked up Browning AN/M2 .30 cal machine gun with a fake extended barrel shroud to simulate some sort of Russian weapon. Weapon supplied by Ellis Mercantile.
FN MAG
Seen as one of the machine guns on the fake Russian Hind helicopters.
Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun
Another Americam "Mock Up", an American M2 Heavy Barrel was mounted to a 'light blue pickup truck' and modified with another fake barrel shroud to disguise the weapon's origins.
DShK 12.7mm Heavy Machine Gun
An accurate and real DShK 12.7mm Soviet Machine Gun is used by Rambo to down an attack helicopter. It is one of the very few times a real DShK (rather than a fake one made out of an American gun like an M2 .50 cal) is used in an American Motion Picture. The scenes where a real DShK was used were filmed in Israel, using real Soviet weaponry courtesy of the Israeli Armorers.
"Acetylene Gas firing" Oerlikon 20mm AA gun
A real Oerlikon 20mm AA gun is used in the final battle, wielded by Col. Trautman, however it is mysteriously missing a rear sight and (most importantly) the drum magazine. This is an auto cannon with no ammunition. The one used in the film was an 'acetylene' gun (a real weapon mocked up with Acetylene gas internals to 'fake firing'). This method is used many time in either helicopter mounted guns (for safety) and heavy machine guns. They fire a 'flash of fire' rather slowly to simulate the firing of a large machine gun round. Supplied by Ellis Mercantile for the film.
Other Weapons
M19 60mm Mortar
Used by Mudjahideen fighters during the final battle.
RPG-7
Rambo wields an RPG-7 during his night fight with the compound guards.
Flamethrower
An improvised flamethrower is used by the prison guards at the Russian military base.
Russian RGD-1 Hand Grenades
Outside the base, trip wires are made using WW2 vintage Soviet RGD-1 grenades, the arming wire wrapped around the pin. Soviet soldiers can also be seen with these grenades on their jackets. In reality, the Red Army and their allies would be using the RGD-5 or later generations of fragmentation grenades.
M134 Minigun
A fake mockup of a M134 style minigun is mounted (with a very lightweight mount) to the front nose of the fake Russian Hind Helicopter Gunship. It fires (very weakly) a fake Acetylene fire blast during some of the fly by sequences. Most of the time in the movie, the firing of the helicopter's Minigun is implied, using ground squibs and sound effects. It is supposed to be a stand in for the real 12.7 mm YakB machine gun that is mounted on the real Mil MI-24 "Hind" gunships. The YakB Gatling gun is a rotating four barrel gun similar to the M134.
Fake Hind Helicopter Rocket Pods
Seen mounted on the fake Hind Helicopter, these are completely built props to fire acetylene gas bursts and pyrotechnic charges.
Rambo's Survival Knife
Unlike the first two films, Rambo's knife is not a survival knife in this film. Instead, it is a design by a fantasy knife artist, made more for looks than for practicality.
Hoyt Archery Rambo Compound Bow
A custom take down Compound Bow is Rambo's weapon of choice when he wants to kill silently, or with blue cyalume light sticks or Torque arrows to 'explode a helicopter' (!) The Hoyt bow pictured below is the version created for Rambo: First Blood Part II. The bow used in Rambo III differs slightly in that the flashlight is removed (which was only seen in night entry sequence in the camp in Rambo II) and an on-board arrow quiver is added.
Trivia Specials
Fake MIL Mi-24 Hind
The mocked up Mi-24 Hind gunships were actually heavily modified Aérospatiale Puma helicopters and were first built for the film Red Dawn at the behest of director John Milius. The Hind Model-A noses from Red Dawn were ultimately removed since they were just extended shells with tinted windows that slipped over the real nose of the Puma Helicopter and actually limited the pilot's field of view and were in constant risk of 'falling off'. The 'wings' with rocket pods mounted was a much more stable and permanent modification to the Puma Helicopter and remained on the 'movie helicopter' and used in both Rambo II and Rambo III. The addition of fake wings (and rocket pods) was an effective means of 'militarizing' an otherwise ordinary looking helicopter. A similar "Faux Hind" modification was done to another type of helicopter for the films Braddock: Missing In Action 3 and Red Scorpion utilizing a Sikorsky S-62.
Early Holographic/Red Dot sight
Seen used by Spetsnaz in the battle in the caves, we see an early model holographic or red dot optical sight mounted on a fake AK74. This was filmed in 1987 so we would see the early ancestors of today's EOTech or Aimpoint sights.
Real Soviet T-62 Tank
Rambo ducks under and hitches a ride underneath an authentic Soviet T-62 Tank. This was the night compound sequence filmed in Israel, (which was the only way an American film could obtain a Soviet tank) since no motion picture vehicle company in the U.S. had access to real Soviet Armor, especially a relatively recent tank like the T-62, during the time frame of this film.
Fake Russian T-72 Tank
When the film was forced to relocate to the United States, the movie's access to real Soviet vehicles suffered. The Russian armored vehicles in the final battle were taken straight from the film Red Dawn. This is a fake Russian T-72 tank from Veluzat Armored Vehicles out of Newhall, California.
Fake Russian ZSU-23 "Shilka" AA Gun
Built for the film Red Dawn, this fake ZSU-23 AA gun was a mockup from an American APC.
Fake Soviet Uniforms
Not a weapon, but worth noting, the Soviet soldiers were outfitted years before any surplus came out of Russia or any of the Eastern bloc nations. The actors wore a bunch of stuff that no Soviet Soldier would be caught 'dead' wearing ....
