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*As I suspected, these guns were '''not''' originally built for ''[[Timecop]]''. They're also not even guns. They were built by a local gunsmith in Vancouver in 1991, and they were designed from the ground up as blank-firing weapons (they fire 9mm PK blanks), and could never fire live ammunition. | *As I suspected, these guns were '''not''' originally built for ''[[Timecop]]''. They're also not even guns. They were built by a local gunsmith in Vancouver in 1991, and they were designed from the ground up as blank-firing weapons (they fire 9mm PK blanks), and could never fire live ammunition. | ||
*The gunsmith who designed these weapons also built the Cylon SMGs from ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' (which we currently list - also incorrectly - as the "[[(Smallville) - Custom SMG]]"). Both the blocky machine pistols and the Cylon machine pistols use the same basic lower receiver design and magazine well, though the upper receiver designs are different. | *The gunsmith who designed these weapons also built the Cylon SMGs from ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' (which we currently list - also incorrectly - as the "[[(Smallville) - Custom SMG]]"). Both the blocky machine pistols and the Cylon machine pistols use the same basic lower receiver design and magazine well, though the upper receiver designs are different. | ||
*The guns are referred to as the '''M91S''' (for the square version seen in ''[[Timecop]]'') and the '''M91R''' (for the round version seen in ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]''). | *The guns are referred to as the '''M91S''' (for the square version seen in ''[[Timecop]]'') and the '''M91R''' (for the round version seen in ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]''). The "91" in their name is for the year that they were built. | ||
*As we correctly observed, these weapons do use some real gun parts - most versions use FAL pistol grips, all use modified 9mm Uzi magazines and mag releases. Besides that, everything else about the weapons is scratch-made (even the springs). | *As we correctly observed, these weapons do use some real gun parts - most versions use FAL pistol grips, all use modified 9mm Uzi magazines and mag releases. Besides that, everything else about the weapons is scratch-made (even the springs). | ||
*The gunsmith who built these blank-firing machine pistols went out of business pretty quickly, and sold all of his prototype weapons to Felcan Enterprises in order to cut his losses. Felcan then re-purposed them for use in movies and television shows filmed in British Columbia. My source says that this gunsmith has since passed away. | *The gunsmith who built these blank-firing machine pistols went out of business pretty quickly, and sold all of his prototype weapons to Felcan Enterprises in order to cut his losses. Felcan then re-purposed them for use in movies and television shows filmed in British Columbia. My source says that this gunsmith has since passed away. | ||
So, there you guys have it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 13:26, 2 February 2015 (EST) | So, there you guys have it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 13:26, 2 February 2015 (EST) | ||
Revision as of 18:29, 2 February 2015
Great job on this page! Those magazines look JUST like Uzi mags, so whatever custom gun they built, it uses Uzi mags. :D The AT-9 uses similar mags to the Uzi but not the same. You can modify uzi mags to work with the AT9 but visually the mags are identical, so I can see how people took it to be the AT9 MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 01:55, 17 January 2015 (EST)
It always reminded me of the Spectre M4. The magazine insert is very similar to the CEV M9M1.
Prcsnv 00:57, 26/01/2015 (UTC)
Cobra TV Series
The image below is from Cobra (TV Series). Note how the barrel shroud is very similar to the one seen in Timecop. This may indicate that the weapon was initially made for the film. --Ben41 (talk) 20:16, 17 January 2015 (EST)
- That doesn't look to me like the exact same gun. The receiver is cylindrical, though the magazine well is identical. And weirdly, that actually does look like a Feather AT9 receiver... -MT2008 (talk) 17:17, 18 January 2015 (EST)
Additional Images
The images below are from Timecop. It seems logical that after this production, one of the weapons was modified again to make it different in appearance. --Ben41 (talk) 03:44, 18 January 2015 (EST)
Behind the scenes info (M91S and M91R)
Got an IMFDB exclusive: After asking around, I finally managed to learn the origins of these unknown machine pistols (and no, none of you may ask me about my source; they wish to remain anonymous, and I intend to respect their wishes):
- As I suspected, these guns were not originally built for Timecop. They're also not even guns. They were built by a local gunsmith in Vancouver in 1991, and they were designed from the ground up as blank-firing weapons (they fire 9mm PK blanks), and could never fire live ammunition.
- The gunsmith who designed these weapons also built the Cylon SMGs from Battlestar Galactica (which we currently list - also incorrectly - as the "(Smallville) - Custom SMG"). Both the blocky machine pistols and the Cylon machine pistols use the same basic lower receiver design and magazine well, though the upper receiver designs are different.
- The guns are referred to as the M91S (for the square version seen in Timecop) and the M91R (for the round version seen in Battlestar Galactica). The "91" in their name is for the year that they were built.
- As we correctly observed, these weapons do use some real gun parts - most versions use FAL pistol grips, all use modified 9mm Uzi magazines and mag releases. Besides that, everything else about the weapons is scratch-made (even the springs).
- The gunsmith who built these blank-firing machine pistols went out of business pretty quickly, and sold all of his prototype weapons to Felcan Enterprises in order to cut his losses. Felcan then re-purposed them for use in movies and television shows filmed in British Columbia. My source says that this gunsmith has since passed away.
So, there you guys have it. -MT2008 (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2015 (EST)