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:::I'm not opposed to it when we know for sure that the weapon was built for a particular movie, but this is a case where we don't know and we are just guessing. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 22:47, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::I'm not opposed to it when we know for sure that the weapon was built for a particular movie, but this is a case where we don't know and we are just guessing. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 22:47, 16 January 2015 (EST)
==Behind the scenes info (M91S and M91R)==
Got an IMFDB exclusive: After asking around, I finally managed to learn the origins of these unknown machine pistols (and no, none of you may ask me about my source; they wish to remain anonymous, and I intend to respect their wishes):
*As I suspected, these guns were '''not''' originally built for ''[[Smallville]]''. They're also not even guns. They were built by a local gunsmith in Vancouver in 1991, and they were designed from the ground up as blank-firing weapons (they fire 9mm PK blanks), and could never fire live ammunition.
*The gunsmith who designed these weapons also built the SMGs from ''[[Timecop]'' (which we currently list - also incorrectly - as the "[[(Timecop) - Custom Assault Pistol]]"). Both the blocky machine pistols and the Cylon machine pistols use the same basic lower receiver design and magazine well, though the upper receiver designs are different.
*The guns are referred to as the '''M91S''' (for the square version seen in ''[[Timecop]]'') and the '''M91R''' (for the round version seen in ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'').
*As we correctly observed, these weapons do use some real gun parts - most versions use FAL pistol grips, all use modified 9mm Uzi magazines and mag releases. Besides that, everything else about the weapons is scratch-made (even the springs).
*The gunsmith who built these blank-firing machine pistols went out of business pretty quickly, and sold all of his prototype weapons to Felcan Enterprises in order to cut his losses. Felcan then re-purposed them for use in movies and television shows filmed in British Columbia. My source says that this gunsmith has since passed away.
So, there you guys have it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 13:26, 2 February 2015 (EST)

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I really do not think that this gun actually has anything to do with the Feather AT9. It has a long magazine well built into the lower (not welded on after the fact, it is an original stamped part integral to the rest of the receiver) so this is not from an AT9, and although superficially similar (a cylinder) the upper is different as the charging handle is of a different design and it is on the wrong side of the gun (I believe that the stock image is mirrored for some reason). My guess is that they are scratch builds like the those other Felcan SMGs that are in Timecop and a load of other stuff. --commando552 (talk) 19:53, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Not only that, but these guns were not in Smallville first. I saw one of them in an episode of M.A.N.T.I.S. that aired in 1994, along with those other custom machine pistols. This is why I think we should discourage the practice of naming weapons after the movie they were in, unless there is a good reason to do so (the "Timecop Beretta" is a rare exception). -MT2008 (talk) 22:39, 16 January 2015 (EST)
Eh, if so we'd need to think of another naming convention for fictional weapons. Evil Tim (talk) 22:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)
I'm not opposed to it when we know for sure that the weapon was built for a particular movie, but this is a case where we don't know and we are just guessing. -MT2008 (talk) 22:47, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Behind the scenes info (M91S and M91R)

Got an IMFDB exclusive: After asking around, I finally managed to learn the origins of these unknown machine pistols (and no, none of you may ask me about my source; they wish to remain anonymous, and I intend to respect their wishes):

  • As I suspected, these guns were not originally built for Smallville. They're also not even guns. They were built by a local gunsmith in Vancouver in 1991, and they were designed from the ground up as blank-firing weapons (they fire 9mm PK blanks), and could never fire live ammunition.
  • The gunsmith who designed these weapons also built the SMGs from [[Timecop] (which we currently list - also incorrectly - as the "(Timecop) - Custom Assault Pistol"). Both the blocky machine pistols and the Cylon machine pistols use the same basic lower receiver design and magazine well, though the upper receiver designs are different.
  • The guns are referred to as the M91S (for the square version seen in Timecop) and the M91R (for the round version seen in Battlestar Galactica).
  • As we correctly observed, these weapons do use some real gun parts - most versions use FAL pistol grips, all use modified 9mm Uzi magazines and mag releases. Besides that, everything else about the weapons is scratch-made (even the springs).
  • The gunsmith who built these blank-firing machine pistols went out of business pretty quickly, and sold all of his prototype weapons to Felcan Enterprises in order to cut his losses. Felcan then re-purposed them for use in movies and television shows filmed in British Columbia. My source says that this gunsmith has since passed away.

So, there you guys have it. -MT2008 (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2015 (EST)

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