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Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--Mandolin (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)

The scientist played by James Urbaniak had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --commando552 (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)

Thompson revolver

Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --Ben41 (talk) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)

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Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. StanTheMan (talk) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)

Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. StanTheMan (talk) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)

The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--Tecolote (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these could be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. StanTheMan (talk) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--Tecolote (talk) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)

I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver was used in the brief period it was called 'Chief's Special' as opposed to 'Model 36 Chief's Special', they're the still essentially the same gun. And since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. StanTheMan (talk) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Carter's PPK

Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--Tecolote (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)

How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--Mandolin (talk) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)

I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:

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compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:

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As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --commando552 (talk) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)

I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. StanTheMan (talk) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--Tecolote (talk) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. Ominae (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)

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 : Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
 Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so  while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
+: I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver was used in the brief period it was called 'Chief's Special' as opposed to 'Model 36 Chief's Special', they're the still essentially the same gun. And since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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