Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 5: Difference between revisions
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Talk:The Walking Dead - Season 5: Difference between revisions
Looking at the screenshots of Rosita carrying the "AKM", it appears that she is carrying the Romanian WASR 10/63 instead of a true AKM. If you look closely above the magazine where you would typically see either a lightening cut (for milled receivers) or a magazine well dimple (for stamped receivers, which the AKM is built on) you see a completely flat surface. I also noticed that the selector lever is either on safe or down to the semi-auto position and there doesn't seem to be a notch for full-auto which would be the setting between safe and semi; this indicates that it is a semi-auto only rifle. I've owned a WASR for about 2 years now and I can usually pick them out of a crowd of AKs.
Looking at the screenshots of Rosita carrying the "AKM", it appears that she is carrying the Romanian WASR 10/63 instead of a true AKM. If you look closely above the magazine where you would typically see either a lightening cut (for milled receivers) or a magazine well dimple (for stamped receivers, which the AKM is built on) you see a completely flat surface. I also noticed that the selector lever is either on safe or down to the semi-auto position and there doesn't seem to be a notch for full-auto which would be the setting between safe and semi; this indicates that it is a semi-auto only rifle. I've owned a WASR for about 2 years now and I can usually pick them out of a crowd of AKs.
UPDATE: Ok, glad someone made the edit, but the WASR is clearly chambered in 7.62x39 and not 5.45x39. The curvature of the magazine for the 7.62x39 is more pronounced (see the photos) than the one for 5.45x39. It's easy to miss, especially when the style of magazine are the same. A correction on my part; looking at the muzzle device, it looks like it is the earlier muzzle-nut rather than the slant-brake that would be on the later versions, making this a WASR-10. --[[User:ODnick717|ODnick717]] ([[User talk:ODnick717|talk]]) 13:41, 3 December 2014 (EST)
It's not a MK12, just an M16A4-type rifle modded with a collapsible stock and low profile gas block. The barrel is 20" as opposed to the 18" barrel on a MK12. Spartan198 (talk) 09:10, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
Rick's Type 56
Polymer Fixed color is changed, it is dark brown because it comes on the scene and also a photo of the official website of The Walking Dead, Rick is with his Type 56 [1]
Error creating thumbnail: File missingPhotoshopped Type 56 with Fixed Polymer Stock, grip pistol and Handguard as seen in The Walking Dead - Season 5 - 7.62x39mm
Looks more like a Heckler & Koch USP Tactical with one of those Osprey suppressors. --Warejaws (talk) 06:20, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
No, not a USP, the trigger guard is wrong. The front of it bends inward, like a Mark 23, rather than sloping back from the top down like on the majority of USPs. Overall shape and dimensions also look like a Mark 23 to me. Spartan198 (talk) 05:51, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, I think you're right.--Warejaws (talk) 06:42, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
This is from the latest trailer, same pistol?Error creating thumbnail: File missingThis one is definitely a Mark 23, you can tell by the raised base for the front and rear sight. Can't really see the suppressor particularly well as it is from above, but based on how slim it looks from this angle it could be one of those asymmetrical ones like the Osprey. --commando552 (talk) 13:22, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
I like how in the original comic Rick's starting weapon is a Mark 23, it's a nice little reference to the comics to have him using it in the last episode. --cool-breeze (talk) 07:05, 30 October 2014 (EDT)
More examples in poor gun handling
It's always been noticeable in how a lot of the actors can't handle firearms. Yes, their characters most likely have no military or law enforcement background, but after awhile, you'd think they would learn how to hold a gun, but Rick is an exception since he's a cop. Just something about him holding the AK with the stock up high like that just bothers me Excalibur01 (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
I think that, in that scene at least, it can be put down to the fact that he quickly goes from taking the weapon to firing in a panic, not giving him a chance to correctly shoulder the rifle RedRobinAlpha (talk) 03:05, 23 October 2014 (GMT)
Frankly I am impressed with their weapons handling. Poor grip aside the actors all keep their fingers along the guard rather than on the trigger itself except when they are about to cap some rounds. Most other instances you see actors with their fingers on the trigger of a hot weapon. --Charon68 (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2014 (EDT)
In most cases, the actors who do in fact keep their finger on the triggers are the ones playing people who had no gun experience before the apocalypse. It's not as prominent as it was earlier on the show, but it's still impressive the amount of trigger discipline we're seeing in the show. --Bauer2121 (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2014 (EST)
Sasha carry an M16 or M16A1 ?
I think that Sasha carry Tony's M16 from last season. Tony carry the original M16. Rick buried the rifle in a bag with other claimers guns.
The flash hider is a very easily changeable part so should not be used as the sole identifier for what a weapon is. I can't make out from that cap whether Sasha's gun has the 3 prong flash hider or a birdcage, but if you look at the receiver you can see that it has a forward assist, so is therefore not an M16 (or in fact an SP1 which is what 99.9% of the "M16s" that appear actually are) but rather an M16A1. To be honest, there is not really enough of the gun seen in Season 4 to ID it as being an M16/SP1 as the right side of the upper is not shown in the caps, so it is possible that it is an M16A1 that has just had the flash hider changed. --commando552 (talk) 11:41, 14 October 2014 (EDT)
I only IDed the rifle in S4 based on the flash hider because it was the only identifiable feature shown, so it's entirely possible Tony had an A1 with a 3-prong flash hider. Spartan198 (talk) 10:22, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
I've gone back and a flicked through to try and get a better look but I was not able to find a good look of the right side of the receiver. However, you can occasionally see that it has a screw head takedown pin which most likely means it is an SP1 (it could be a Sporter II but the SP1 is more common in films/TV). Just to point out, the 3 prong flash hider is incorrect for the SP1 as well, but they have quite often been modified to have them to make them look like more like original M16s. --commando552 (talk) 10:42, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
Bag of guns lie?
In the description it states that "Rick lied by telling him that in the bag was an "AK-47, .44 Magnum, Automatic weapons, Nightscore, compound bow and a machete with a red handle."" This isn't really a lie is it? Granted we did not see a machete or nightscope (which is what I'm assuming "Nightscore" is a typo of), but everything else was seen being put into the bag in the last episode of the last season. There are continuity errors, such as the M16 possibly changing to an M16A1 and the bow disappearing, but it I wouldn't call it a deliberate lie by Rick (if it was a lie, what was the point?). As for the machete with the red handle, I think they might have been talking about one of those orange handled Gerber "Bear Grylls" machetes that have been used by various characters. --commando552 (talk) 08:01, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
As it turned out Rick told the truth. He could call AKM places in the bag "AK-47". He also did not mention the Remington and Mosin Nagant M44 carbine. Part of the weapons like the SIG-Sauer P226, Heckler & Koch Mark 23, Daniel Defense DDM4 MK18 and a night vision scope did not have Claimers which Rick was killed. Maybe they found them in the gap between the first and second episode. --FARID (talk) 14:14, 08 November 2014 (EDT)
Sasha carry Daniel Defense DDM4 MK18 with nightscope and fitted with an Osprey Suppressor ?
I'd agree with the rifle, but the suppressor looks too round to be an Osprey. There was only one Osprey found and it's attached to Ricks USP/Mark 23 RedRobinAlpha (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2014 (GMT)
Glenn find three suppressors, must be one of the other they stuck to the rifle.
FARID (talk)
It is possible that it has DD parts, but it is not a factory rifle. If you look at the lower (it is clearer when it is resting on the pew behind Rick while he is talking) you can see that it has a lower where the front of the magazine well flares down to act as a grip. I know that Seekings Precision make lowers like this, but there might be other companies as well. My guess is that this rifle is a custom build. --commando552 (talk) 05:49, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
Colt Python shot
Can anyone get a shot of Rick firing off a full cylinder from his Python when the group goes outside the church to retrieve Bob in "Four Walls and a Roof" (S5E03)?--Alienqueen11 (talk) 23:26, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
Thanks, great work on the page everyone.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 01:08, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
Rick made seven shots.--FARID (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
Well, that's tv and cinema for you. Just thought it was worth noting and having a screen cap of.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 23:48, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
Also Rick only fires 6 shots in this scene, the first shot does not come from his weapon, it comes from off screen, Rick then proceeds to fire his full 6 rounds before falling back into the church with everyone else. RedRobinAlpha (talk) 20:52, 30 October 2014 (GMT)
Scoped AR not an AR10SB
The AR platform used by Carol to assault Terminus is not an AR10. It can be clearly seen in multiple screenshots that it has a 30 round PMag in it. Also, it would appear the optic had been mounted backwards, a similar issue can be seen in season 3 with an Aimpoint sight on an AR15. Can anyone back me up with the AR10SB being incorrect or the scope being mounted backwards? DeadpoolDeadcool (talk) 20:19, 4 November 2014 (EST)
It's definitely not an AR-10. There's a similar mistaken labeling on the S4 page for a rifle used by one of the Governor's men as an AR-10, but is clearly a .223/5.56 caliber. I'm changing it back. Spartan198 (talk) 10:29, 5 November 2014 (EST)
If we decide to leave it M16A4 then we need to move it into the category of Battle Rifles & Carbines. However, in the Season 5 Episod 1 Carol at one point opened Full-Auto firing rate (in films and television series often make such mistakes), but may have any other suggestions about this rifle? FARID (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2014 (EST)
It originally was in with the assault and battle rifles, but when whoever changed it to an AR-10, they presumably moved it to sniper rifles. Spartan198 (talk) 21:38, 8 November 2014 (EST)
Glenn's rifle
Please help ID Glenn's rifle. --Ben41 (talk) 13:24, 10 November 2014 (EST)
I would never just run out and say that it's a DD in 300BLK. SBR - Yes. Black - Yes. Shoots bullets - Yes. Doesn't have to add up to the fact that it's a DD in 300. Most of the weapons have been Heintz 57's because of the armourers. Thing that throws me for a loop on these rifles is the break. Reminds me a lot of the PWS Diablo break. Being a mix-master, I think that best we could so is say that it's a MK 18 Mod 1 STYLED SBR. Calibre is most likely 5.56, but truly unknown.--Gwhysow (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2014 (EST)
Holstered Pistols
Please help ID these holstered pistols. --Ben41 (talk) 02:18, 11 November 2014 (EST)
Abrahams is a Beretta, closest I can tell it looks like a Cougar (judging from the lack of any sort of tail and the size of the safety catch). Maggies is a revolver, but without a better look at the body of it I can't tell what it is. RedRobinAlpha (talk) 11:53, 11 November 2014 (GMT)
It's a normal 92FS, the grip spur is just caught under a fold on his shirt. --commando552 (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2014 (EST)
I'd agree on the 92FS factor, though the lack of detailing around the safety makes me think that this may be a rubber non-gun.
Definitely not a SW Bodyguard. Not a J-frame. Smallest it's a K-frame, but I would argue and L-frame. Oddly enough, it does almost look like there is a hammer shroud.--Gwhysow (talk) 16:50, 16 November 2014 (EST)
There was a clear shot of it in the latest episode. It is a Smith & Wesson Model 327 TRR8. This is very similar to the R8 on that page but there are some differences such as the slot on right side of the ejector shroud (on the R8 this is solid with M&P markings) and the profiling of the rail (the TRR8 rail is bolted on and detachable). --commando552 (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2014 (EST)
Please help ID
Please help ID Maggie's revolver. --Ben41 (talk) 18:53, 24 November 2014 (EST)
"There was a clear shot of it in the latest episode. It is a Smith & Wesson Model 327 TRR8. This is very similar to the R8 on that page but there are some differences such as the slot on right side of the ejector shroud (on the R8 this is solid with M&P markings) and the profiling of the rail (the TRR8 rail is bolted on and detachable)"
On seeing a still of it though, I think it might actually be an M&P R8. When I saw the episode live it looked like it had the slot for the ejector all the way through. but on that still what I thought was the slot is clearly above the axis of the cylinder so it appears to be a trick of the light. --commando552 (talk) 19:34, 24 November 2014 (EST)
Another thing from this ep, this picture below definitively proves that this rifle is not a DD one:
if you look at the brass deflector you can see that it has an odd shape, extending back until it meets the front edge of the forward assist whereas the DD guns have a more traditional design. At the start of the episode you get a couple of shots of this part of Glen's rifle too and it has exactly the same design (you also get a shot of how the handguard attaches to the receiver and it doesn't look like a DD either). To me these look like Seekins Precision Billet uppers], along with the matching [Seekins Precision Gen2 lower on Sasha's rifle. There do not appear to be any matching complete rifles on the Seeking site though, my guess is that they are just cobbled. I think we should probably just change the section title to "Custom AR-15" and do our best to ID the various parts. --commando552 (talk) 19:44, 24 November 2014 (EST)
WASR 10/63
Looking at the screenshots of Rosita carrying the "AKM", it appears that she is carrying the Romanian WASR 10/63 instead of a true AKM. If you look closely above the magazine where you would typically see either a lightening cut (for milled receivers) or a magazine well dimple (for stamped receivers, which the AKM is built on) you see a completely flat surface. I also noticed that the selector lever is either on safe or down to the semi-auto position and there doesn't seem to be a notch for full-auto which would be the setting between safe and semi; this indicates that it is a semi-auto only rifle. I've owned a WASR for about 2 years now and I can usually pick them out of a crowd of AKs.
UPDATE: Ok, glad someone made the edit, but the WASR is clearly chambered in 7.62x39 and not 5.45x39. The curvature of the magazine for the 7.62x39 is more pronounced (see the photos) than the one for 5.45x39. It's easy to miss, especially when the style of magazine are the same. A correction on my part; looking at the muzzle device, it looks like it is the earlier muzzle-nut rather than the slant-brake that would be on the later versions, making this a WASR-10. --ODnick717 (talk) 13:41, 3 December 2014 (EST)
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