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At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with "replica" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators (they do not appear to be original Colt moderators, but instead appear to be "commercial" copies). One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).
At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with replica "slip over" [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177-series]] sound/flash moderators. With the "slip over" flash hider in place it gives the Model 733 Commandos the appearance of having 10-inch barrels, when in fact they have 11.5-inch barrels. One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in ''[[Blood Diamond#Unknown (custom?) Colt CAR-15 variant|Blood Diamond]]'' (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).
Some of the actors, extras, and stuntmen, portraying Delta Force operators in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 727 Carbine (which was marketed by Colt as the "M16A2 Carbine"). The official United States Government designation for the carbine is CARBINE, 5.56 MILLIMETER (NSN 1005-01-376-7245). The carbine is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 14.5-inch barrel with the "M203 cut" (sometimes called a "step"). The Model 727 carbine was actually utilized, by BOTH operators and Rangers, during Operation Gothic Serpent.
In the film, most of the Model 727 carbines are anachronistically equipped with Aimpoint M68 CCO reflex sights (which was not standardized until 17 March 1995). During Operation Gothic Serpent, some operators and Rangers utilized the Aimpoint 5000 reflex sight.
Some of the actors, extras, and stuntment, portraying both Delta Force operators and United States Army Rangers in the film, are equipped with the Colt Model 733 Commando. The Model 733 was marketed by Colt as the "M16A2 Commando". Colt has historically assigned the "Commando" designation to it's 5.56mm rifles that featured either 10-inch or 11.5-inch barrels. The Model 733 Commando is identified by having an "A2" upper receiver and a 11.5-inch barrel.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingColt Model 733 Commando - 5.56x45mm (the image presented is that of the early Model 733 that differs from the film version in that it has an "A1E1" upper receiver)
At least two (2) of the Model 733 Commandos that appear in the film have had their "A2" flash suppressors replaced with replica "slip over" XM177-series sound/flash moderators. With the "slip over" flash hider in place it gives the Model 733 Commandos the appearance of having 10-inch barrels, when in fact they have 11.5-inch barrels. One is unpainted while the second is camouflage painted. It has been alleged that the camouflaged version bears a close resemblance to the modified Model 733 Commando that appears in Blood Diamond (the allegation had been made due to the weapons being supplied by the same company in both films).
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) on the right with the "black" modified Model 733 Commando with XM177-series style sound/flash moderator.Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe extra/stuntman in the foreground is equipped with a standard Model 733 Commando while the extra/stuntman (obscured) behind him has the "black" modified Model 733 Commando.Error creating thumbnail: File missingAn extra/stuntman (portraying an operator) with the "camouflage" modified Model 733 Commando during the "draw fire" scene.
Colt M4 Carbine
A number of rubber stunt prop copies of the Colt M4 Carbine anachronistically appear in the film. NO actual "firing" M4 Carbines appear in the film. One of the most predominant appearances of the stunt M4 Carbines is during the infamous "This is my safety." scene. The rubber stunt M4 carbines were molded from a Colt Model AR-15A2 Gov't Carbine (Colt Model Number 6520) lower receiver with a M4 Carbine (detachable carrying handled mounted in place and 14.5-inch "M203 cut" barrel) upper receiver attached.
Most of the stunt M4 Carbines that appear are black, while the one utilized by Eric Bana, during the above mentioned scene, has a matching camouflage paint scheme to that of the Model 727 carbine Bana utilizes during the rest of the film.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThree extras/stuntmen (portraying operators) posing on the set of Black Hawk Down. The extra on the right has one of the rubber stunt M4 Carbines. The extra in the middle has the infamous "camouflage" Model 733 Commando with XM177-style moderator. While not obvious, the extra on the left has a Model 733 Commando (the 11.5-inch barrel is visible in other images taken during the same series of photographs).
M16A2 Rifle
Most of the Rangers, including SSG Matt Eversmann (Josh Hartnett) are armed with M16A2 rifles. While defending the second Black Hawk crash site, SFC Randy Shughart (Johnny Strong) can be seen briefly using an M16A2, alongside his M14. Also, when CPT Steele tells SSG Eversmann that they have to secure the perimeter for the SAR chopper the Ranger lying prone in the background appears to be working the forward assist on his M16A2.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingColt M16A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Eversmann (Josh Hartnett) leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Eversmann firing his M16A2 at Somali militia as the Rangers make their way to the first Black Hawk crash site.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSGT Mike Goodale (Carmine Giovinazzo) fires his M16A2 while making his way to the first Black Hawk crash site.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Eversmann fires his M16A2 during the rescue of SSG Busch. The pilot on the left is CWO Keith Jones, who was the pilot who rescued the real Busch during the actual event.Error creating thumbnail: File missingSSG Goodale (Carmine Giovinazzo) with his M16A2 as the Rangers and Delta hold off the Somali militia.Error creating thumbnail: File missingDelta Force SFC Randy Shughart (Johnny Strong) switches between his M14 and an M16A2 as the Delta snipers defend their position at the second crash site. He must have found it in the chopper because in Mike Durant's book "In the Company of Heroes" it says Shughart asked Durant if there were any weapons in the chopper.Error creating thumbnail: File missingProbably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants. However this instance may certainly qualify as a 'damn good reason'.
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Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe same Delta actor as above shows M16A2's in the movie armory, the one he's holding fitted with an M203 grenade launcher.
M14 Rifle
The M14 rifle is seen being used by Delta Force Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart (Johnny Strong), most notably when he and MSG Gary Gordon (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an Aimpoint CompM2/M68 reflex sight.
M16A1 rifles are seen in the Somali arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film The Jerk where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.
Spanish CETME rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not Heckler & Koch G3s, most notably because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.
Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the Norinco Type 56-1 assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the AKS-47/AKMS. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have. At one point in the film, one of the soldiers can be seen removing the magazine from a discarded Type 56-1 and stuffing it in an empty pouch. Whether this was done to take back a souvenir or for some other reason is not known.
Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti), the Somali militia leader, carries an AKS-74U as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking CWO3 Mike Durant before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner.
Ranger Specialist Shawn Nelson (Ewen Bremner) can be seen carrying an M60 machine gun as his standard weapon. A mounted M60 is also seen and fired from at least one of the Humvees in the extraction convoy. Some of the Somalis can be seen using them as well.
Several Rangers can be seen carrying FN Minimis throughout the film, standing in for the M249-E1 SAW. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly (Tom Hardy) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head. The Minimis are also fitted with circular 200-round cloth ammo bags instead of hard plastic drums. At one point a Somali shoots at Twombly and hits one of his ammo drums causing the ammo to cook off and burn him, though he's able to get rid of it before he's seriously harmed.
The Browning M2HB heavy machine gun is fielded by the US Army on their HMMWVs, the U.N. forces on their APCs, and the Somali militia on their technicals in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful .50 cal.
The MH-60 Black Hawks in the film are armed with General Dynamics GAU-17/A miniguns mounted as doorguns. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are seen as the armament of by the AH-6 Little Birds.
One of the Somalis fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an Zastava M72B1, a copy of the RPK light machine gun, identifiable by the stock and handguard design. Another Somali is seen providing suppressing fire on the Rangers and Delta operatives with one when the Delta operators and Rangers try to reach the first Black Hawk crash site.
Chief Warrant Officer 3 Michael Durant (Ron Eldard), the MH-60 Black Hawk pilot of Super Six-Four, is armed with a Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with a slim handgrip and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its 9x19mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually MP5Ks. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper", a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.
While never used on screen, SFC Sanderson (William Fichtner) can be seen with a customized Remington 870 Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by Charlie Sheen in the movie Navy SEALs. In a deleted scene, SFC Sanderson uses the shotgun to blow the hinges on a door inside the target building. The tail end of this shot is still in the finished movie, although if you haven't seen the deleted scene before it would be hard to spot. In the book, at least one of the Delta operators has an 870 Masterkey attached to his CAR-15.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingRemington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge (The one seen in the movie lacked the folding stock)Error creating thumbnail: File missingSanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.Error creating thumbnail: File missingA close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.Error creating thumbnail: File missingReceiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.
Handguns
M1911A1
We see the M1911A1 pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Delta Force MSG Wex (Kim Coates) can be seen at the firing range with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film.
A Somali militiaman uses a Tokarev TT-33 to kill SFC Shughart (Johnny Strong) at the second crash site. It should be noted that the militiaman fires 11 shots, which is 3 more than the TT-33's 8-round magazine.
The Beretta 92FS pistol (standing in for the M9) is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of Lieutenant Colonel McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his 92FS sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.
The Russian manufactured RPG-7 features prominently in the film as the weapon which brings down a pair of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. In one scene inspired by an actual event, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes PVT. Kowalewski (Brendan Sexton III), the driver of one of the M35 deuce and a half trucks in Lieutenant Colonel Danny McKnight (Tom Sizemore)'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.
Along with the RPG-7s mentioned above, Chinese Norinco Type 69 RPG launchers are also used by the militia. The Type 69's also seem to be loaded with PG-7VL rockets instead of the more commonly-seen PG-7VM rockets, distinguished by the larger warhead.
An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an M72A3. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007, as well a variant is used by the Canadian Forces and other NATO nations in Afghanistan.
At one point in the film, Aidid's militia begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an SPG-9 recoilless rifle. A group of Deltas led by Hoot soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the militia, killing several with one shot. It's later destroyed by Hoot's team before they join Eversmann's team. Also interesting to note, according to the audio commentary on the DVD, this incident never happened & was made up for dramatic effect by the writers.
While the Cobray CM203 37mm launchers are fitted on most of the Ranger's M16A2 rifles, a couple of actual M203 grenade launchers attached to M16A2s are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes (Ewan McGregor) who assists Delta in taking out a technical that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.
While loading up for the assault, Hoot (Eric Bana) is seen taping up the pins and spoons on some M67 fragmentation hand grenades. SFC Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.
There are several appearances in the film of AN/M14 incendiary grenades; used by Deltas to destroy sensitive equipment at both Black Hawk crash sites, as well as to destroy the SPG-9 recoilless rifle mentioned above once Hoot and his team are done with it. Another one can be seen sitting on a table when Hoot is loading up.
