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Only the president gets a 21 Gun salute. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:13, 10 November 2012 (EST) | Only the president gets a 21 Gun salute. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:13, 10 November 2012 (EST) | ||
This is a pretty common mistake. They confused a 21-gun salue with a three-volley salue. The 21-gun salute comes from naval traditions, and are performed with actual guns (i.e. cannons or other artillery pieces). The three-volley salute is performed with rifles by members of an honor guard during a military funeral. The tradition comes from the custom of firing three shots in the air to signal that all dead and wounded have been removed from the battlefield. The rifle party is usally made up of 7 members, so they end up firing a total of 21 rounds. As a result, people mistake it for a 21-gun salute. In addition, three shell casings are included with the folded flag as "proof" the honor was rendered. They are said to represent duty, honor, and country. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 18:32, 14 December 2012 (EST) | |||
== MP5K selector == | == MP5K selector == | ||
Revision as of 23:32, 14 December 2012
Holster
What kind of holster is this?
- Think it is an Uncle Mike's Kydex holster. --commando552 (talk) 10:36, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
- The one in the show has a button release. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:07, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
- Where's the button, I can't see it in that image. --commando552 (talk) 05:09, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
- Oh wait, nevermind. I thought his index finger is over a button cause there's an indention Excalibur01 (talk) 09:52, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
- The one in the show has a button release. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:07, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
- There seems to be a continuity error with the SIG, too. In the second screenshot, he's using an early-model P226 with a stamped slide, but the one in the holster is a newer generation model (probably a P226R), as evidenced by the milled slide with external extractor. -MT2008 (talk) 12:55, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
M4gery?
Is this guy's M4's barrel a bit too long? Excalibur01 (talk) 21:37, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
I think it is a regular M4. On first glance I thought it looked long, but when I actually measured it, I think it is about right. I think there is kind of an optical illusion with the front sight blending in with the guys arm making the exposed length of barrel appear longer. --commando552 (talk) 06:19, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
Woodland Camo
Aren't the woodland BDUs worn by the Russians very outdated for the US Army, especially Delta, who I believe issues Multicam. Shouldn't this have revealed to the Colorado Crew that these weren't real American SF operators. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 22:19, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
- insert the Navy is stupid joke*. We would be able to tell just from the guns in general. Like why would Delta be using old style CAR-15s? But at least the Russians are wearing Woodland camo while all the Navy guys got the blue camo. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:07, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
- Maybe they wear any camo to not give away their identity (if actual Delta Force)? I dunno. I could be wrong. Ominae (talk) 01:32, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
- It isn't that farfetched to assume that American SF would wear camouflage that is suitable to the environment they are operating in. For instance, American SF troops (Green Berets and MARSOC) have continued to wear woodland BDUs in Afghanistan and the Philippines. Since the island is mostly jungle, woodland BDUs would probably have been what actual American SF troops would've been wearing in those circumstances. --Markit (talk) 02:19, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
- Agree on that. I believe that Spetsnaz commandos wore them so that they won't be easily identified as Russian SOF. IIRC, this is a doctrine most SF are trained to do. Ominae (talk) 04:22, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
Good point. I think aside from the CAR-15s, it would have been impossible to tell they weren't US troops. Excalibur01 (talk) 11:58, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
- Realistically, there's no reason US SOF like Delta wouldn't use older 733s, 653s, etc., if the mission parameters called for it (same goes for Russians and M4s; who's to say they don't have them kitted out just like we do for any possible use they might be?), while production and use of the M81 woodland pattern is quite widespread in the world, making it a good, effective pattern for covert use in jungle environments. But with all that said, I have seen pics of FSB special troops and alleged Alfa commandos wearing multicam, so that pattern isn't unique to US forces, either. As for the Ruskies in the show using them, my guess is that maybe all of the armor's M4s were passed out to the crew of the Colorado, leaving none left over. Another possibility is that it was done so that people like us who are familiar with what the US military uses could squint our eyes and say, "Hey, something's not right here..." The latter was certainly my reaction. Spartan198 (talk) 01:11, 19 October 2012 (EDT)
- That's not a good reason saying there is no reason. Why would our SF uses out dated weapons in a situation like this? It's like in that one movie The Green Zone where all the SF guys had CAR-15s Excalibur01 (talk) 12:11, 9 November 2012 (EST)
- I don't presume, or even want, to know, what the operational standards of assaulting an island held by a rogue, nuclear-armed US Navy sub captain, but if the unit doing it were to deem CAR-15s suitable, then they sure would use them. But as I also said, it's likely all the on-set armorer's M4s were passed out to the Colorado's crew that day and these were just used because they looked most like an M4. Spartan198 (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2012 (EST)
- That's not a good reason saying there is no reason. Why would our SF uses out dated weapons in a situation like this? It's like in that one movie The Green Zone where all the SF guys had CAR-15s Excalibur01 (talk) 12:11, 9 November 2012 (EST)
CAR-15s?
Can someone watch the episode again because I am not sure what kind of CAR-15s those are. They look like 733s because of the short barrels and the suppressors but now I'm not sure. Excalibur01 (talk) 12:18, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
- They certainly look like 733s, but the suppressors leave a bit of ambiguity due to some models, such as the AAC M4-2000, covering longer portions of the barrel than the typically-issued KAC cans. Spartan198 (talk) 01:11, 19 October 2012 (EDT)
21 Gun Salute?
In Episode 3, Kendal talks about the Captain's son getting a 21 Gun salute. What is he talking about? I thought only heads of state receive that honor. --Ben41 (talk) 01:56, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
Its probably just one of the many shows mistakes, its not like its act of valor. --Iceman (talk) 05:22, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
Only the president gets a 21 Gun salute. Spartan198 (talk) 03:13, 10 November 2012 (EST)
This is a pretty common mistake. They confused a 21-gun salue with a three-volley salue. The 21-gun salute comes from naval traditions, and are performed with actual guns (i.e. cannons or other artillery pieces). The three-volley salute is performed with rifles by members of an honor guard during a military funeral. The tradition comes from the custom of firing three shots in the air to signal that all dead and wounded have been removed from the battlefield. The rifle party is usally made up of 7 members, so they end up firing a total of 21 rounds. As a result, people mistake it for a 21-gun salute. In addition, three shell casings are included with the folded flag as "proof" the honor was rendered. They are said to represent duty, honor, and country. APS221 (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2012 (EST)
MP5K selector
Anyone else notice that despite King clearly firing his MP5K on full-auto, close-ups showed the selector in the burst position? Spartan198 (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2012 (EST)
- I noticed that, in fact bother of them appear to be firing in full auto with the selector set to 3 round burst. There are several explanations:
- First is that they are using replicas and are just mining with CGI effects. I don't think this is the case as the muzzle flash doesn't look fake, and you can see casings along with smoke coming out of the ejection port.
- Second, is that the guns have a regular safe/semi/auto trigger group inside a burst housing. Not sure if the selector and pictograms would line up like this, but is a possibility as the FA setting on a regular navy lower is much neared to semi than on a burst lower.
- Third, is that the guns are actually firing in burst, but the editing and sound effects are misleading. For example, at the start of the shoot out when King and Sam are being a fork lift truck, you can see that whilst firing King is continuously pulling the trigger on hid MP5K, as if it is firing in bursts but he is trying to fire continuously.
- --commando552 (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2012 (EST)