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===Smith & Wesson Combat Magnum (Model 19)=== | ===Smith & Wesson Combat Magnum (Model 19)=== | ||
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|left|upright|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 Magnum]] | [[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|left|upright|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 Magnum]] | ||
:Whether he was shooting with his American revolver, to hit with one shot at a time during slow and controlled fire, or if he was shooting with his Italian pistol to hit with two of three shots in very rapid series there was always something that was clearly right and wrong that allowed itself to be interpreted immediately. | |||
:From the shooting range in Djursholm he went back into town and engaged in gun care for a while. | |||
:It wasn't likely that he would bring his own weapons as both the revolver and the pistol had his coat of arms engraved on the grip, a black shield, three red roses and a count's crown in gold; it would hardly allow itself to be combined with the identity that the germans would give him, whatever they might come up with. | |||
:GSG 9 uses only one type of revolver, Smith & Wesson Model 19 in caliber 357 magnum. The actual revolvertype is quite similar to the weapon that was Carl's personal choice of revolver, a Smith & Wesson Combat Magnum in caliber 38s. But Carl had never learned to like the ammunition type 357 magnum (it's the same size of the bullet as the caliber 38s, but the powder charge is greater in 357 magnum). | |||
:Hamilton lined whistling up the three guns that he'd packed up from Maacks green military-style bag. It was correct, it was the right revolver, the right pistol and a sawed-off shotgun for disposable use at the bank robbery. The shotgun amunition he just threw a quick eye at, the revolver ammunition that came in a box of 50, as ordered, were subjected to a further examination before it with a nod of approving was put aside, while the pistol ammunition brought Hamilton's disapproval. By the designations on both the cartridges and the packaging it was indeed clear that the goods came from a military or police storage somewhere. | |||
:In box 410 there was a thin white and a thick brown envelope weighed down by a Smith & Wesson Combat Magnum in the black edition. As he had fired the last weapon inside the bank, he had to get rid of it (BKA in Wiesbaden could with ease have obtained ballistic evidence that it was his last revolver that was used in the robbery). | |||
:"Well this. He has a revolver in his hand, probably a Smith & Wesson caliber 38, I think so anyway. If one cocks the hammer first, it is to hit better. So the man therefore took the time to it instead of just throwing away a shot, I mean, had he done that he would have surely been able to hit as well, but with less precision. With double action the accuracy becomes much worse, right. " | |||
:In the bag was also a Smith & Wesson, probably stolen somewhere, given to him by the terrorists and his Beretta 92S given to him by Verfassungsschutz, with an extra magazine with a radio transmitter. | |||
===Beretta 92 S=== | ===Beretta 92 S=== | ||
Revision as of 20:29, 13 December 2012
Other
Boot Knife
Carl always carries a boot knife around his right ankle, resembling a Gerber Mark I. He uses it several times in the movie, from mundane tasks like opening beer bottles to other tasks like slitting throats.
Monika's gun
There are conflicting options. What do you guys think?
Discussion
Remake?
I know this is based on a novel, and I never read that novel, but this movie pretty much has the same plot as The Final Option. I don't know if it's deliberate or just a coincidence. Both feature seemingly disgraced agents (who train with elite units) tasked with infiltrating leftist movements which ends with a massive assault by the said elite units. --Funkychinaman 09:23, 18 June 2012 (CDT)
Monika's Pistol
I really think Monica had a P230, not a PPK. The barrel is too long. --Funkychinaman 11:38, 13 July 2012 (CDT)
Well I don't agree but I won't reedo it again until I can find better screencaps --Thejoker
The barrel length is definitely too long for a PPK, but you may be onto something regarding the hammer. I'm going to split the difference. --Funkychinaman 12:40, 13 July 2012 (CDT)
Thanks for splitting the difference, but I still think its either a PPK or a PPK/S. Of course I could be wrong. --Thejoker
This was filmed in Europe. Since the PPK/S was only created to meet US legal standards, I don't know if they were ever sold in Europe. --Funkychinaman 13:13, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
It's definitely a P230. Look at the smooth curve running from the muzzle to the bottom of the trigger guard. It's not as straight of a curve on the PP. --Funkychinaman 13:13, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
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I dont see the curve running from the muzzle to the triggerguard to be as smooth as that of a P230, but it bears a resemblance to the slightly three stepped curve of a PPK. It might just be the bad resolution and quallity of the picture though. And a PP is way to long to be that gun in the picture. You might be right about it being a SIG I can't just see it compleatly, sorry. I hope some of us can obtain better resolution screencaps so we can see the details, specially the slide serrations. And as I live in Sweden were the movie was partially made, produced and directed, I may have a better luck at finding it, so I'll see what I can do. --Thejoker
- Well, good luck then. I got the caps off of Netflix, and the entire film is available legally on Youtube, so I don't know if any company has any incentive to remaster it or create a hi-def version. --Funkychinaman 17:21, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
- And since you're looking, want to do pages on the two Carl Hamilton films that proceeded this one? The only Carl Hamilton movies that are available to me here in the US are this one and one starring Peter Stomare. (I intend to do that one later.) --Funkychinaman 02:07, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
Okey, yeah absolutly! I will rent the movies as soon as I can and screencap them.
- Sorry if I cant let it go but I still think Monika uses a Walther PPK and not a SIG-Sauer P230 during the bankrobbery. I've put my explanations and reasons of my thoughts under the images, and bear in mind that the movie is not in HD and that the details of the gun are less noticable because of the image quallity and blurr.
Hope I've made myself understandable, its hard to explain what I mean as I can't point out things with my fingers and have to wright my observations down instead. Thejoker (talk) 16:25, 11 December 2012 (EST)
- Here I have tried to point out the details of the bank robbery gun, that I think is a PPK, that I have spotted. I hope you can see them, it's the best I can do with what I have.
- Here is the details pointed out of the gun I'm sertain is a Walther P5 that she has at the end of the movie.
- I've done what I can to point out what I mean, I hope it's clear what I mean. Thejoker (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2012 (EST)
Book trivia
Is there any point or need for it? Aside from being terribly written IMO, this is a MOVIE firearms database. It's non-visual media.--Mandolin (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2012 (EST)
- I don't think that should matter as long as it stays on the discussion page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:33, 11 December 2012 (EST)
- I saw that someone had written what firearms were described in the novel of this movie (Talk:No Country for Old Men) so that you could compare the novels display of firearms to the movies, so I thought I could do the same, also I've only translated the exact text from the book to english and put it up instead of reformulate it because I thought some of the discriptions in the novel were vauge and not easy to reformulate, thats why it is written the way it is. Thejoker (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2012 (EST)
All Carl Hamilton Movies To Date
There is to date a total of six full length filmations starring Carl Hamilton, and one seven't coming this fall. And two one hour TV movies. He was also featured in one episode of another tv-series, though he appeared only in that one episode.
- Covername - Coq Rouge (Täcknamn - Coq Rouge), movie from 1989 - starring Stellan Skarsgård.
- Hearing, The (Förhöret), one hour TV movie from 1989 (based on pages 407-434 in "Fiendens Fiende") - starring Stellan Skarsgård.
- Enemy's Enemy (Fiendens Fiende), 8 episode televisionseries from 1990 - starring Peter Haber.
- Evening Papers (Kvällspressen), 6 episode televisionseries from 1992 where Carl Hamilton was featured in the last episode called "Falska Bevis" ("False Evidence")
wich story was taken from the book "Den hedervärde Mördaren" ("The Honorable Murderer") - starring Peter Haber.
- The Democratic Terrorist (Den Demokratiske Terroristen), movie from 1992 - starring Stellan Skarsgård.
- Vendetta, featured as both a movie from 1995, and a 6 episode televisionseries from 1996 - starring Stefan Sauk.
- Tribunal, one hour TV movie from 1995 (based on pages 264-304 in "En Medborgare Höjd Över Varje Misstanke") - starring Stefan Sauk.
- Hamilton, featured as both a movie from 1997, and a 4 episode televisionseries from 2001 (based on the books "Ingen Mans Land" and "Den Enda Segern") - starring Peter Stormare.
- Hamilton - In The Nations Interest (I Nationens Intresse), movie from 2012 (The story in the movie is not like in the book, but it does have some features from it) - starring Mikael Persbrandt.
All of these filmations, excluding the TV short movie "Tribunal" and the televisionseries versions of "Vendetta" and "Hamilton", have been released to DVD as to date. --Thejoker
- Netflix has the Peter Stormare one. It's the movie version, and it's dubbed (ugh...) --Funkychinaman 14:09, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
Book Weapons Trivia
Following are the weapons, both firearms and other, mentioned in the book The Democratic Terrorist (Den Demokratiske Terroristen) by Jan Guillou published in 1987.
Handguns
"Revolver in caliber 22"
- Then he hung off his clothes and walked in through the steel door of his locked room, turned on the light and took out a small caliber revolver. He brought out a revolver in caliber 22 (it was the noise level his homemade sound insulation should withstand, in any case had no neighbors complained so far).
Smith & Wesson Combat Magnum (Model 19)
- Whether he was shooting with his American revolver, to hit with one shot at a time during slow and controlled fire, or if he was shooting with his Italian pistol to hit with two of three shots in very rapid series there was always something that was clearly right and wrong that allowed itself to be interpreted immediately.
- From the shooting range in Djursholm he went back into town and engaged in gun care for a while.
- It wasn't likely that he would bring his own weapons as both the revolver and the pistol had his coat of arms engraved on the grip, a black shield, three red roses and a count's crown in gold; it would hardly allow itself to be combined with the identity that the germans would give him, whatever they might come up with.
- GSG 9 uses only one type of revolver, Smith & Wesson Model 19 in caliber 357 magnum. The actual revolvertype is quite similar to the weapon that was Carl's personal choice of revolver, a Smith & Wesson Combat Magnum in caliber 38s. But Carl had never learned to like the ammunition type 357 magnum (it's the same size of the bullet as the caliber 38s, but the powder charge is greater in 357 magnum).
- Hamilton lined whistling up the three guns that he'd packed up from Maacks green military-style bag. It was correct, it was the right revolver, the right pistol and a sawed-off shotgun for disposable use at the bank robbery. The shotgun amunition he just threw a quick eye at, the revolver ammunition that came in a box of 50, as ordered, were subjected to a further examination before it with a nod of approving was put aside, while the pistol ammunition brought Hamilton's disapproval. By the designations on both the cartridges and the packaging it was indeed clear that the goods came from a military or police storage somewhere.
- In box 410 there was a thin white and a thick brown envelope weighed down by a Smith & Wesson Combat Magnum in the black edition. As he had fired the last weapon inside the bank, he had to get rid of it (BKA in Wiesbaden could with ease have obtained ballistic evidence that it was his last revolver that was used in the robbery).
- "Well this. He has a revolver in his hand, probably a Smith & Wesson caliber 38, I think so anyway. If one cocks the hammer first, it is to hit better. So the man therefore took the time to it instead of just throwing away a shot, I mean, had he done that he would have surely been able to hit as well, but with less precision. With double action the accuracy becomes much worse, right. "
- In the bag was also a Smith & Wesson, probably stolen somewhere, given to him by the terrorists and his Beretta 92S given to him by Verfassungsschutz, with an extra magazine with a radio transmitter.
Beretta 92 S
Whether he was shooting with his American revolver, to hit with one shot at a time during slow and controlled fire, or if he was shooting with his Italian pistol to hit with two of three shots in very rapid series there was always something that was clearly right and wrong that allowed itself to be interpreted immediately.
From the shooting range in Djursholm he went back into town and engaged in gun care for a while.
It wasn't likely that he would bring his own weapons as both the revolver and the pistol had his coat of arms engraved on the grip, a black shield, three red roses and a count's crown in gold; it would hardly allow itself to be combined with the identity that the germans would give him, whatever they might come up with.
Carl had been considering whether he should get himself a gun of the germans type but had after a short reflection refrained, for two reasons. Firstly it was unnecessary to be showcasing with a German police weapon. Secondly, was his own gun superior to most other pistols in a very particular regarding: a Beretta 92 S has 15 rounds in the magazine.
Hamilton lined whistling up the three guns that he'd packed up from Maacks green military-style bag. It was correct, it was the right revolver, the right pistol and a sawed-off shotgun for disposable use at the bank robbery. The shotgun amunition he just threw a quick eye at, the revolver ammunition that came in a box of 50, as ordered, were subjected to a further examination before it with a nod of approving was put aside, while the pistol ammunition brought Hamilton's disapproval. By the designations on both the cartridges and the packaging it was indeed clear that the goods came from a military or police storage somewhere.
Hamilton heaved out the cartridges by turning the box upside down, filled the gun's magazine and extra magazine with quick jerking movements without even keeping his eyes on his fingers, then swept down the twenty remaining cartridges in a small plastic bag which he tied up and threw into his bag before he crumpled the military or police packaging and threw it in the trashcan at the far end of the rooms corner, of course without missing.
Carl got a spare magazine for his Beretta 92 S. There were twelve rounds in the magazine, but beneath the spring at the bottom was a miniature transmitter with a battery that would last at least two months. Putting in an extra cartridge in the magazine would activate the transmitter.
In the bag was also a Smith & Wesson, probably stolen somewhere, given to him by the terrorists and his Beretta 92S given to him by Verfassungsschutz, with an extra magazine with a radio transmitter.
Heckler & Koch P7 PSP
Their pistol was a new and interesting type that Carl had never actually fired before, Heckler & Koch PSP 9mm, a new German police weapon with a completely new feature. Instead of making the firearm ready by racking the slide and cocking the hammer the mechanism was constructed with a single traction in the grip as a replacement for the entire procedure. As soon as your hand closed around the grip and thus you held in the front of the it the weapon became ready to fire.
If you released your grip the weapon was secured immediately; if you dropped the gun it was secured before it hit the ground. It was also stable and good in the hand, the guideline was low in relation to the grip, balance was fine. The only downside was that you had to squeeze too hard on the grip to hold in the mechanism.
"Llama Police Special"
When he for the third time in the course of fifteen minutes passed a shop window filled with various knives, he saw something that he first almost refused to believe. There was a Llama Police Special, one of the American police's favorite weapon as an off duty gun. It was the the weapon that he first saw in the shop window. But when he stopped, he noticed that the entire front window was filled with pistols and revolvers at an average price of 200 marks. There were over a hundred depicting weapons. But they were so well made that even Carl had been fooled at first glance. So there were actually a market for copies of handguns , replicas that were are sure to fool almost anyone.
Fabrique Nationale 140 DA
At the same time, the man had slipped up behind him and pressed a pistol or a revolver to his back. "Polizei" the man hissed and the whole thing was completely wrong and it was in this moment that he was about to ruin everything with a pure reflex action.
They took away his guns while the man still insisted on holding his gun wrong, it was a pistol by the brand Fabrique Nationale, thus a Belgian weapon, presumably in the 9 mm version, that the man held too close.
On the marble table in front of Martin Beer was his gun, which indeed was a Belgian Fabrique Nationale, FN DA 140, 9 mm. The weapon was intended for police officers and in addition to the Belgian police, at least five or six other police forces in the world was equipped with that rough stable gun with an external hammer and conventional safety device.
SIG-Sauer P225/P6
Ten seconds later a civilian policeman crashed in with his pistol drawn and were instantly overpowered and de-armed by Hamilton and forced to the floor.
On the way out the woman ran up to the shot down guard and grabbed his submachine gun. At the same time Hamilton devoted himself to the policeman's service pistol: he pulled out the magazine and threw it across the room , then he put the gun down beside the policeman and waited until the others were out of the bank. Then he disappeared.
"In addition, I saw when he took out the magazine on my pistol that he did not hesitate a moment at how he would do even though it is a bit awkward in that particular gun. "
Then the type of person itself, and then generally people don't walk around with guns in Hamburg, especially not police weapons, it was a 9 mm SIG / Sauer P225 or P6, it's not really a hobby weapon. Well he must have been a cop and he must have gotten past by a coincidence.
"Army pistols or revolvers"
Down in the lobby, there were only a few plainclothed guards that according to Horst Ludwig Hahn belonged to the security police that were everywhere in Syria, young boys in jeans with heavy army pistols or revolvers stuffed in the waistband, half to be hidden, half to be seen. Must be awkward to carry a revolver like that, Carl thought sleepy as they went out to a waiting black Mercedes where an Arabic driver started the car without saying more than a few brief greetings.
Colt Model 1911 A1
"Shut up!" Shouted one of the long-haired boys, and pointed a crude pistol at them. Interesting, Carl thought. A Colt Model 1911 A1, caliber 45, is still manufactured, typical WWII. How the hell has one of those lodged with the Syrian security police? Big American pistol in the hand of a small Syrian Security Police guy?
Why had he seen an American weapon, actually that gun was used as late as in Vietnam.
Walther PP
She put her knife down and took out a pistol and racked the slide with the muzzle facing the ground.
"I walk alone now soon, the others have put out a red herring. But you know I'm a nurse too, Carl, and you trust me? "
"Yes."
"This is a Walther 7.65."
"I see that. Weapon of the Swedish police and the British intelligence. So? "
"The ammunition is Fully jacketed"
"Yeah, so what?" She said nothing more. She searched fumbling with the fingers for a place somewhere beneath his left collarbone. Then she put the muzzle against the place and pressed the trigger immediately. Carl was thrown backwards by the impact, it felt as if he got a hard fist punch. She looked for a new place on the outside of his right thigh and repeated the procedure. This time, he felt the pain. He felt again how he was about to faint. He heard her shoot four more shots, but felt nothing in his own body.
"Automatic 7.65"
"Automatic 7.65?"
"Your service weapon, then?"
"No, in the army, we had another weapon."
Shotguns
Sawn-off Double Barreled Shotgun
Hamilton lined whistling up the three guns that he'd packed up from Maacks green military-style bag. It was correct, it was the right revolver, the right pistol and a sawed-off shotgun for disposable use at the bank robbery. The shotgun amunition he just threw a quick eye at, the revolver ammunition that came in a box of 50, as ordered, were subjected to a further examination before it with a nod of approving was put aside, while the pistol ammunition brought Hamilton's disapproval. By the designations on both the cartridges and the packaging it was indeed clear that the goods came from a military or police storage somewhere.
Submachine Guns
Heckler & Koch MP 5
The Germans submachine gun was familiar to Carl, probably the automatic weapon he preferred himself, Heckler & Koch MP 5. In contrast to various american weapons, worst of all the flabby M 16, this German automatic weapon was stable and secure, no rattling, no wobbling, all the parts in place, no risk for a discharge. Moreover, it had surprisingly high accuracy if fired with single shots. But this is where it began to resemble Gröna Lund or Disneyland.
Heckler & Koch MP 5K
The Germans had apparently come up with a new model designed to be worn, for example, hidden under a coat during security guard service; the short version of the MP 5 was only 325 mm long and 210 mm high. It goes without saying that an automatic weapon at that size can hardly offer any accuracy with open sights, the weapon is intended to shoot automatic fire with at close range. But the Germans had managed to get an Aimpoint to work so that you could shoot at a 100 meters distance, single shots with fully acceptable precision. It was almost a delightful sensation Carl thought.
Heckler & Koch MP 5SD
Another brand new version of the same weapon was MP 5SD, sound suppressed, that some one had equipped with the night sight BIV. In a darkened shooting range where the target wouldn't even been noticeable to the naked eye, it was actually possible to shoot series upon series at a 100 meters distance, both with acceptable precision and with a sound effect that would scarcely have been heard at that distance out in the wild, in any case not so that the sound would be able to be located, and also of course with full dampening of the muzzle flash. It was an almost eerie fun weapon to be handling.
Carl nodded and was about to stand up when Monika again appeared in the doorway. She held a 9 mm Heckler & Koch 5 SD in hand, thus a sound suppressed submachine gun of the exact same brand that currently must be present in several samples outside the apartment. It was ironically GSG 9's standard weapon, though not in her suppressed version. She held the weapon in one hand with the muzzle facing the floor, it was turned so that Carl could not perceive if it was on safe or not.
The Frenchman shrugged, pointed the submachine gun towards the door, sank into protective position and checked quickly that the weapon were ready to fire.
"Submachine Gun"
But the fact were, therefore, that a civilian employed guard, 61 years old, a retired non-commissioned officer in the Bundeswehr, showed up anywhere from a back door and opened fire with a submachine gun. He shot automatic fire and shrapnel and ricochets whirled around and you could see how several people furthest away in the room, where the robbers had pushed together the bank's customers, was hit. On the way out the woman ran up to the shot down guard and grabbed his submachine gun. At the same time Hamilton devoted himself to the policeman's service pistol: he pulled out the magazine and threw it across the room , then he put the gun down beside the policeman and waited until the others were out of the bank. Then he disappeared.
Rifles
Mauser SP66
Both precision weapons were familiar to Carl and he himself preferred the M 66 Mauser before Heckler & Kochs semi-automatic PSG 1, but it was still an experience to use the later with infrared equipment at night or in simulated darkness. Both rifles were pleasant to use; if youwere laying pleasent and took a normal amount of time you could without being a special expert of precision shooting feel confident to hit a target of a humans head in size at a 500 meters distance, regardless of the lighting conditions. It was primarily with regard to the various sighting devices that the German equipment was superior to the American technology that had been Carl's main equipment in California.
Heckler & Koch PSG 1
Both precision weapons were familiar to Carl and he himself preferred the M 66 Mauser before Heckler & Kochs semi-automatic PSG 1, but it was still an experience to use the later with infrared equipment at night or in simulated darkness. Both rifles were pleasant to use; if youwere laying pleasent and took a normal amount of time you could without being a special expert of precision shooting feel confident to hit a target of a humans head in size at a 500 meters distance, regardless of the lighting conditions. It was primarily with regard to the various sighting devices that the German equipment was superior to the American technology that had been Carl's main equipment in California.
AK 74
They went out of the car and the door was opened at the same moment they arrived by two young boys with assault rifles in their hands; it was not the usual AK-47: s, but the new type AK 74 that Carl only had seen on pictures and that he did not know existed outside of certain Soviet elite units, paratroopers and marines. Well, that seems promising, he thought.
Kalashnikov rifle (foldable stock version)
While he was telling them Carl saw how a covered Land Rover stopped down the street and four young men in jeans with pistols inside the waistbands jumped out and started walking up the stairs to the restaurant. It did not look like a restaurant visit, they looked like mokhabarat, the more or less irregular Syrian security service that existed everywhere. One of them carried a folded AK-47 over his shoulder.
Was the AK 47 of the type with folded stock, yes it was. But it told him nothing.
"Assault Rifles"
He had weak memories of how soldiers with assault rifles stormed into the tent. But he could not remember anything else.
Heavy Weapons/Other
SA-7 Grail
And with a Stinger, or at worst, a SAM-7, yes even a SAM-7 would work in the short distance, you could take down any of the U.S. military planes, a hit shortly after startup would have a devastating effect, the fully fuled plane would undoubtedly hit the ground and turn into a giant fireball.
It's about the F-111, the U.S. Air Forces pride, each plane costs approximately 75 million dollars and when they attack Carl they have an electronic defense that makes them almost impossible to bring down.
We just need to steal some Redeye or Stinger or at worst a SAM-7, it is straightforward weapon that almost anyone can manage, and the point is that just at the starting moment's those electronic monsters are terribly vulnerable.
And because the weapons at the site could almost exclusevly be Soviet Carl was solidly trained on Soviet weapons, ranging from handguns to the RPG and the smallest missiles surface-to-air, well it was the ones called SAM. It was the longest training that existed in the Swedish military, with refresher exercises and other things it had been two years.
In Afghanistan, even the Russian the helicopters heve successfully been able to use that countermeasure against its own SAM-7 in the hands of guerrillas on the ground. Stinger has two homing devices, one which is led through infrared light and one through heat. The American model is therefore better than the Russian.
There should be around 50 000 Russian SAM-7 and their more modern version SAM-14 around the world. The weapon was bulkier and more difficult to manage than its American counterpart, but probably easier to get by.
FIM-43 Redeye
Too hard to get into a NATO-storage and steal a Redeye or Stinger?
We just need to steal some Redeye or Stinger or at worst a SAM-7, it is straightforward weapon that almost anyone can manage, and the point is that just at the starting moment's those electronic monsters are terribly vulnerable.
FIM-92A Stinger
Too hard to get into a NATO-storage and steal a Redeye or Stinger?
We just need to steal some Redeye or Stinger or at worst a SAM-7, it is straightforward weapon that almost anyone can manage, and the point is that just at the starting moment's those electronic monsters are terribly vulnerable.
Ideally, therefore would be an FIM-92 A Stinger, a U.S. portable misile, length about one and a half meters, weight more than fifteen pounds, shooting distances up to 5 kilometers, speed over Mach 2.
In Afghanistan, even the Russian the helicopters heve successfully been able to use that countermeasure against its own SAM-7 in the hands of guerrillas on the ground. Stinger has two homing devices, one which is led through infrared light and one through heat. The American model is therefore better than the Russian.
RPG 7
We use the RCL or RPG. They are not more difficult to shoot with than with ordinary rifles, they are a bit more bulky to transport though, but the issue is solved easely, a pair of vans would work.
And because the weapons at the site could almost exclusevly be Soviet Carl was solidly trained on Soviet weapons, ranging from handguns to the RPG and the smallest missiles surface-to-air, well it was the ones called SAM. It was the longest training that existed in the Swedish military, with refresher exercises and other things it had been two years.
"RPG 7 or RPG 16. Or better yet an RPG 18, if you know the difference? "
RPG 16
We use the RCL or RPG. They are not more difficult to shoot with than with ordinary rifles, they are a bit more bulky to transport though, but the issue is solved easely, a pair of vans would work.
And because the weapons at the site could almost exclusevly be Soviet Carl was solidly trained on Soviet weapons, ranging from handguns to the RPG and the smallest missiles surface-to-air, well it was the ones called SAM. It was the longest training that existed in the Swedish military, with refresher exercises and other things it had been two years.
"RPG 7 or RPG 16. Or better yet an RPG 18, if you know the difference? "
Ofcourse, it struck him, it was the RPG 18 they would use. RPG is actually an anti-tank weapon. The projectile is proppelled like a rocket and is fired from a simple tube that the shooter keeps over his shoulder. The heavier weapon, RPG 16, can with perfectly acceptable accuracy be fired at 300 meters against a moving target, and up to 500 meters against a stationary target.
RPG 18 probably doesn't have any aiming devices for an action in the dark, like RPG 16, which has a NSP-2 infrared aiming device to complement the open sights.
"The actual weapon type is called RPG. RPG 18, "said Carl. "It is important that it is 18 and not 16 because they differ in certain aspects. If 18 isn't available we'll have to settle with 16. That's the first. "
RPG 18
We use the RCL or RPG. They are not more difficult to shoot with than with ordinary rifles, they are a bit more bulky to transport though, but the issue is solved easely, a pair of vans would work.
And because the weapons at the site could almost exclusevly be Soviet Carl was solidly trained on Soviet weapons, ranging from handguns to the RPG and the smallest missiles surface-to-air, well it was the ones called SAM. It was the longest training that existed in the Swedish military, with refresher exercises and other things it had been two years.
"RPG 7 or RPG 16. Or better yet an RPG 18, if you know the difference? "
Ofcourse, it struck him, it was the RPG 18 they would use. RPG is actually an anti-tank weapon. The projectile is proppelled like a rocket and is fired from a simple tube that the shooter keeps over his shoulder. The heavier weapon, RPG 16, can with perfectly acceptable accuracy be fired at 300 meters against a moving target, and up to 500 meters against a stationary target.
The weapon is about one meter long and weighs no more than nine and a quarter pounds. RPG 18 is a variant which is probably more or less plagiarized on the U.S. Army's M72, that Carl had learned to master without the slightest difficulty. The beauty of M72, and probably with RPG 18, is that the fact that the mechanisms has been simplified so that anyone can use the weapon without any particular education, which otherwise is required to handle most armorpiercing weapons. Both the M72 and the RPG 18 consequently has illustrations with animated characters on the barreltube, thus suggesting that the person that at all can fire a weapon could just pick up an RPG 18, read the instructions and then shoot. An RPG 18 weighs just 6.5 kg when charged and is no longer than 70 cm. Which simplifies potential smugglingprojects.
RPG 18 probably doesn't have any aiming devices for an action in the dark, like RPG 16, which has a NSP-2 infrared aiming device to complement the open sights.
"The actual weapon type is called RPG. RPG 18, "said Carl. "It is important that it is 18 and not 16 because they differ in certain aspects. If 18 isn't available we'll have to settle with 16. That's the first. "
"The normal warhead to the weapon is a HEAT, the acronym means High Explosive Anti-Tank. As the name suggests, it is for armored targets. But we want a different warhead, preferably an HEDP, means High Explosive Dual Purpose. Are you following? "
"It is because our target is not of armored nature, but softer. We need six barreltubes and twice as many warheads. "
There was a line of RPGs, barrels separately and ammunition separately.
Now it was important that they really were as plagiarized on a standard M 72 as theory books had claimed.
Carl walked over to the lined arms. Yea, it must be the RPG 18, they had written instructions on the barreltube, although in Russian, but equipped with small illustrations. Carl began by picking of the two rubber caps on both sides of the barrel and brought it out in its entirety so that it became 11.8 inches longer. Then he brought up the two simple plastic sights and pulled down the handle with the trigger. At the side of the handle was a red button that could be pushed up and down, it must be the safety assembly. The military expert, followed him fixedly with the eyes. He tried the red button and decided that it must have been in the secure position when he opened the gun. In this case, it worked backwards from most other weapons in the world where you pushed the safety away from you before you fired. He pushed up the button and tested that the trigger was locked. He had guessed right. The redheaded instructor beside him nodded approvingly. Then he picked up one of the the charges, holding together the wings in the tail and pushed it into the barrel until it clicked into place. "Like this," he said and pointed the weapon away towards a window, "unsafe, aim and fire. Shooting Distance against stationary targets 200 meters. Sights set on 200 meters, you therefore hold it at the center of the target. "
"Good, very good," said the instructor. "But why RPGs, why not a RCL, there's even a excellent Swedish version called, what was it now ...?" "Good, I agree with that," continued the trainer. "But then there remains the question of what ammunition you wanted to use. What do we have here on the table? "
Carl looked at the various warheads. They were not that different other than a green, a red and a yellow marker at the end of the the tip. The question was therefore if something on the table was training ammunition and the other two types differed in relation to explosive effect. The Russian text was not any guidance.
"I unfortunately do not read Russian," said Carl apologetic with a gesture over the various warheads.
"No, but you can examine the projectiles without blow us to hell?" The instructor asked coldly.
"I think so," he saidand dug in his pocket for his instrument that looked like a Swiss army penknife with a myriad of instruments. He precipitated a thin screwdriver and pulled up a chair and gently took hold of a charge with red lace. The instructor pulled up another chair and sat down close by. There were two screws on the outside of the cone-shaped warhead. Carl opened the screws and could then gently pull of the metal cover. A small red pipe in the internal tip must be the ignition device. It was in an outer housing and was able to be to pull of.
"That's it," said Carl without showing his relief, "Now we won't be blown up anyway."
The instructor nodded. Carl took the metal cover and examined it, weighed it in his hand and tried to figure out how it was designed. The explosive charge of the the bare dismantled projectile would probably not give any clues. "This must be a HEAT", he said though only half convinced, "I think that the design suggests it, I've never had these weapons in my hand before. If we open one of those with a yellow tip, we would possebly have a HEDP, is that correct? "
Carl Gustav Recoilless Rifle
"Good, very good," said the instructor. "But why RPGs, why not a RCL, there's even a excellent Swedish version called, what was it now ...?"
"Carl Gustav," said Carl. "The Swedish RCL type is named Carl Gustav. Higher firepower indeed but it ejects twenty-five meters backwards and requires training. The operation would be eighty percent more insecure if you use untrained staff. "
LRAC F1
"I have been on to similar ideas myself, but then I thought me an LRAC 89, if it is acquainted?" "I'm not so good in French, it's something like Lance-Roquette Anti-char, huh?" "Have you any equivalent to the Russians' dual purpose?" "Certainement, it was exactly what was so tempting. There is a anti-personnel/anti-vehicle-variant. The warhead contains 1600 alloy steel balls, lethal effect up to 20 meters from the impact site. "
Aditional
Swiss Army Knife
An ordinary red pocket knife of Swiss army type but with the corkscrews and burning glass (means a magnifying glass used to create fire by concentraiting sunlight onto a small place) and a few other similar instruments replaced with completely different instruments. He packed a single suitcase, dressed in simple but neat casual clothing and packed no other weapons than the small objects that sat on his imitation Swiss penknife and an American commando knife with a handle made of camouflage-colored plastic. Carl had a deadly weapon on him. The folding knife imitation he carried in his pocket had a two point eight-inch long blade wrapped in protective plastic. It was made of the same Japanese special steel as his commando knife.
"Commando Knife"
The blue-streaked Japanese special steel in Carl's hand He packed a single suitcase, dressed in simple but neat casual clothing and packed no other weapons than the small objects that sat on his imitation Swiss penknife and an American commando knife with a handle made of camouflage-colored plastic.
"Automatic weapons"
The area was intensively monitored, there were two or three stations with emergency ready tanks and on the roof of the arrival hall he saw two guards with automatic weapons, an attack in here would be a suicide attack, and that was not really what European terrorists was into as far as he could recall.
"Pistols and 9 mm Automatic weapons"
"They use pistols and 9 mm automatic weapons at close range and they make explosive devices of a type that even street boys in Beirut does better. "
"Survival Knifes"
He stood for a while and counted the knives that was sitting on sets of rows in the shop window wall. Some of them had to be conceived as a kind of hunting gear, others were obviously variations, a very large number variants, of so-called survival knives that an American actor had made popular in a movie where he personally defeated the North Vietnamese and Soviet Unions army by among other things shred the opponents with this knife that looked more like a kitchen tool than a weapon. A significant portion of the knife set was comprised of stilettos of classical type, narrow blades that jumped out of a black handle when you pulled in the release. All in all, there were more than two hundred knives on display and most were cruel toys without reasonable practical use.
Helicopters
(the helicopters were strangely enough not German but American and French, Bell from the U.S. and Puma and Alouette from France).