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Re: U.S. Marshals Screenshot Needed

Yeah, I think I can do that. However, right now, I'm still not back at my apartment, and my DVDs and my external hard drive (where I keep my downloaded movies) are over there. It may be another day or two before I get back.

Also, do you think you'll change the guns on the Men in Black page? Like I said in the message below this, they're not real SIG P225s; they're just fake SIG look-a-like flashbulb guns.

OK, how do you like these?

I had trouble finding any good ones of him with the PT945. There's one that might be OK from the swamp scene, but I only have a poor quality AVI rip of the film, and it's hard to see his face or the shape of the gun. Maybe if someone who has the actual DVD takes the shot, it'll look better. Judge for yourself:

Men in Black

Nice job on the new Men in Black article! BUT, as usual, I must point out one correction. You identify the guns used in the shooting gallery scene as SIG P225s. However, if you look closely, you'll see that they actually aren't shaped quite like real 225s. You might also notice when you watch the film that when the guns are fired, the slides don't move at all. That's because they're actually the "non gun" SIG flashbulb-firing replicas made by International Studio Services. Here is a picture of one:

Got it from here: http://weaponspecialists.com/insiteTemplate.php?includeWhat=propView&id=107&category=&primaryCategory=sub&refID=24&cf=bpic

Also, LMO has a picture of the actual Redhawk revolver used in the film, if you want to use that.

Lord of War

I dunno, I've been re-doing a lot of pages I've worked on to make the screenshots bigger (including The Siege and The Negotiator), because I figured they were small enough that fitting them on the page in their original size would be better than shrinking them. Does it really look that bad when I do them in full-size? I can't tell because I can only judge by my laptop screen, where they appear too small.

No, I agree that posting full-size shots is a bad idea when they're so huge, but the ones I take are usually pretty low-res and small, because they often come from AVI rips of DVDs, and because my capture software only takes low res (a trade-off for being able to hit a key and snap a shot instantly, I guess). Some of them are so small that it's hard to even tell what a particular gun is without clicking, and I figured people would prefer to be able to just scan the page quickly and correctly discern the weapon's make and model.

Duplicate RPD page

If it's okay I will delete the duplicate RPD Light Machine gun page you created on June 7th. I created the previous one on June 28th, 2008. MoviePropMaster2008

Updates

cc'd to: MT2008, Orca1 9904, Charon68 and others... :) I've been trying to get higher rez original pics to IMFDB for a little bit now. One of the major beefs I have with site like Security arms.org or Guns of the world.ru is that there are some really crappy pics, and lots of those pics are weird hybrid variations that are not good representations of the mainstream version of the firearm. Though I've had some nice comments from a few folks, I need to verify that it's kosher to try to eliminate the bad resolution 'stolen from the net' pics and replace them with original photographs. (granted permission by me the copyright holder) Don't know if I am stepping on anyone's toes or if anyone would be offended that I replaced their image (which was 'borrowed' from the net originally) with another image. If anyone thinks I should NOT be replacing pics on existing pages with new gun images, please let me know. Do the majority of IMFDB users even care? I'm fully expecting other sites to start stealing images from IMFDB when the level of pics goes up. :) hahahaha. Thanks for your comments at any rate> :)

Re: Incredible Hulk Grenade Launchers

You might be right, but the Milkor M32 has the tubular new-style M4 collapsible stock (plus, isn't the furniture usually painted in desert tan?) The ones in the movie have fixed stocks that bear a lot more resemblance to the DefTech 37mm launcher I posted. It looks to me like they might be DefTech launchers that were visually modified (given different front ends) to resemble the M32 because the armorers couldn't get ahold of actual M32s.

But I really am not sure; I'm not at all an expert on grenade launchers.

No Problem...

Hi,

Always happy to help out. The screencap of the SPAS-12 in "Future's End" I posted on your Star Trek: Voyager page is actually from a YouTube video, but I figured it would be decent quality for now. I couldn't get a good shot of either the M16s/AR15s or the Beretta, though (I can't even tell for sure that it is a Beretta and not a Taurus PT92).

Also, maybe you can help me with The Siege - do you remember where the Browning M2 and M203 appear? I checked the stadium scene and I really can't see the M203 anywhere...it might just be because I have a pretty crappy AVI rip of the movie, so the quality makes it hard to tell.

OK, I finally did manage to find the M203. I'll get a screencap of that, plus the grenade used in the chop-shop. I'm also trying to get good shots of the Colt 9mm SMGs used by the special ops guys who capture the Sheik in the beginning, and the Glocks carried by the N.Y.P.D. officers.

As far as the Browning M2 goes...I may be wrong, but I think that's actually a Mark-19 automatic grenade launcher on the top of the APC. It's hard to tell, but the barrel looks a bit too short and a bit too thick to be an M2, so Mark-19 would be my next guess.

All right, I'll take your word for it because I'm having a great deal of trouble being sure myself.

Sid Vicious?

Hahaha, dude... Sid Vicious is a pro wrestler (according to a google search). The villain from Cowboy Bebop is simply just "Vicious". I used to be a big CB fan.

Power Outtage

Sorry about the sudden lack-of-response online last night. Power went out here for about 4 hours.

Hopefully you got the screenshot feature of WinDVD working alright.

-Kyro

Detonics 1911/ ICQ / .223 vs. 5.56mm chamberings

Working on getting you a Detonics 1911 (A1 variant denotes a curved Mainspring housing, slightly larger controls and in this case I cannot tell if a detonics is an "A1" variant or not. It could also be a Series 70 or 80 mod; I'll find out more). I mostly work on Springfield Armory, IMBEL, Kimber or Colt variants. But, here is what I found:

Check these sights on the Detonics line of 1911's out, they should help,

http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0900/903.htm

http://www.modelguns.co.uk/detonics_combat_master.htm

http://www.detonicsusa.com/firearms/streetmaster_lg.gif

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/detonics.htm

http://www.biggerhammer.net/detonics/detonics.com/exp_view.jpg

http://www.gunblast.com/WBell_DetonicsCM.htm

http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/master_121305/

When you get a chance, also check your ICQ, I added it to the list and sent an authorization request.

All Ruger Mini-14's are chambered in ".223 Rem" (as exactly etched on the receivers. I have a Police-turn-in GB and can take a Screenshot if you need me to). There is a difference (look up SAAMI or Mil-Spec. 5.56mm is slightly larger. They both use the exact same casing dimensions, though the 5.56mm brass casings are usually more regularly annealed and tempered. 5.56mm are also a bit "hotter", which is where the military comes in. .223 was developed by Remington Peters, and adapted by the Military (who uses metric now) as the 5.56mm. If a rifle has "5.56mm" stamped on it, rest-assured it can fire either 5.56mm or .223 rem without a problem (so long as the ammo is quality). If a rifle has ".223 Rem" stamped on it, usually you can only use .223, as the hotter pressures created by the 5.56mm and slightly different bullet profile (not cartridge, just bullet) can cause problems. The Ruger Mini-14, however, is a moot point, as even though it is marked ".223 Rem." on the receivers, it can fire both 5.56mm and .223 rem without issue, as Ruger has cut its Mini-14 Chambers in a unique "universal"-cut chamber that is designed to fire either military or commercial cartridges.

Here is a good example of the slight difference:

http://www.ammo-oracle.com/images/556cham.gif

Check

http://www.ammo-oracle.com/

for more info on the subtle variances between the two chamberings.

--Kyro

Subtleties of AK Variants

The only reliable means of telling a AKMSU and an AKSU-74 (AKA AKS-74U) apart are to look at the curve rate of its 30rd magazine; to look at comparative bore-diameter (usually not possible from screenshots), or to see the cartridges it is firing up close (definately not possible from a screenshot, and also movies generally use star-crimped blanks and blank-adapted firearms).

In the instance of A Man Apart, you have an AK Carbine of some type, where a "Krinkov" type handguard is present (Black), and a waffle-pattern magazine with a 7.62x39 signature curve in it (It could be Bulgarian, East German or U.S.A. ProMag in manufacture). AK furniture, for the most part, is interchangeable. A pistol-grip from an AKM will work on an AK-74 and vica-versa; same with handguards, FCG's, butt-stocks, etc... Some muzzle-breaks are the same style too (not necc. bore dia. or thread-pattern), as seen in that "Krinkov" style AK Carbine. I've even seen AK-74 styled Muzzle-breaks on AKM's and AK-103's, so it's not unique to 74's.

The only REAL difference between the functional aspects of an AKM and AK-74 are the bolt-faces, magazines and bore/chambers. Most of the rest of the functional aspects are nearly identical, or identical (enough to be swapped). With some variance in bakelite furniture and certain muzzle-breaks and/or flash-hiders, they are functionally the same firearm, simply chambered in two different cartridges.

Point being, with simple tools and some know-how, ANYONE can modify an AK to their liking. The only real way to tell on screen, at least with an AK is the curve of the magazine. Slightly-Curved Magazine = AK-74 in 5.45x39mm or a SAR-3 equivalent (*.223/5.56mm Variant AK from Romania; Bulgaria also makes an SLR-106 type in .223/5.56mm AK Variants. The .223 AK variants use the 5.45x39 mags with a swapped-out follower to accept the cartridge profile of .223 Rem)... Deep-curved Magazine = AK-47, AKM, in 7.62x39.

And I wouldn't even call it an "incident", rather just an example of clashing info on a firearm. A Man Apart wasn't THAT great of a movie anwway (I'd give it 7 out of 10). I don't think it'd be worth my time to keep things accurate to just have my contributions deleted. By all means, if my formatting is not clean or the layout desireable, correct away; this is NOT my site. But I will not post ANYTHING on database sights like this unless I was certain my info was certifiably correct. I do make mistakes though, and if anyone believes I am mistaken, I wish to be called out on it.

I don't want to sound effete, but I have lots of experience building Romanian GP-75's from de-milled parts (Romanian National Guard AKM's chopped up and shipped to the U.S.), and have fired many different builds from different country kits (Polish, Hungarian, Yugoslavian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Russian/Siaga, Egyptian/Maadi, Chinese/Norinco). I have also built a few Hybrid-Stag/Bushy/RRA AR's and Metric FALs (Mostly IMBEL) in my day. Not to mention several other projects with 1911's.

And It wasn't that big of a deal dude, I was just trying to dileniate the extreme variety inherent in Kalashnikov variants. The only way to tell for certain is to handle it up close, but there are "Easy tells" on screen that give away a firearm's identity. I just don't like getting into pissing matches over who's right; no one wins in a pissing match. It was late and I just gave up changing or adding anymore to "A Man Apart" anyway. My PC was pissing me off and the screen-shot function on my DVD player was not working so well (look at the M4 Screenshot from the movie; some weird graphical glitches going on). I think my GC may be over-heating.

Either way, I'm going to have to let someone else finish it. I may pop in from time to time and add things here and there, and offer any wisdom that I may bring to bear; should it be needed. I don't know everything. I know a good deal, but still have tons to learn, so hopefully I can still learn stuff by checking in here and there.

--Kyro

Nice

Orca, nice catch on the Colt 9mm Submachine Gun - I'd never seen it before and assumed it was a 9mm AR-15. Do you know if the Colt 9mm SMG is actually fielded or if it's just used as a trainer? Thanks for all your recent additions to the site. bunni 06:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Hey Orca, I just wanted to say thanks for putting the rest of the weapons up on the War of The Worlds page. I got pictures of all, but two of them, but I don't worry, I'll try to get them later.

Thanks

Thanks for the tips, I'll be sure to get Tim Robbins' shotgun too. And thanks again for your help.

WoTW is done.

Hey Orca, I got the rest of those shots, be sure to tell me if I got the right ones. And thanks again for the help.

Sorry

Sorry about that, I uploaded a new image of it, tell me if I got it.

Thanks

Thanks, I figured that had to be it. That should be everything now. I think I'm going to take a short break to think of a film to do next.

M16 rifle series

Nice work on the page - it's much cleaner now. bunni 19:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Splitting M16 and Beretta 92 up

Someone suggested splitting up the Beretta 92 page into its variants, when I started the site there really wasn't enough content to do so but it might make sense now to do so for both the Beretta 92 and the M16 series - what do you think? bunni 22:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll leave it up to you then, when and if you think the 93R is ready for its own page feel free to do it. I'm going to come through this weekend and do some quality control work on all the new pages, get the formatting uniform again. bunni 22:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem

No problem, I'm not going to let my favorite pistol's page be a mess, plus quite a few of the pages on this site need to cleaned up. And sorry that I deleted the # on the links, I didn't know what they were for.

Okay

Thanks for the reminder, I'll be sure to tag my screenshots later.

Sig P220 Merge

Good idea - copy the content over to one page and redirect the rest if you get a chance, if not I can try and take care of it later. bunni 19:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia article

No relation to the article, honestly I've never seen it - was it very complete? If you have some connections at Wikipedia an admin can provide you with a copy of a deleted article - that could be a treasure trove of new articles for us. The Wikipedia links I was creating to the imfdb on the gun and movie pages were just recently all tagged as link spamming and removed so my account is worthless on Wikipedia at the moment. Also, I think it was Alienqueen that suggested we create some admins to help block users vandalising the wiki - I'm all for that, you and alienqueen are the only ones I'd trust with admin status though. Let me know if you're up for it and I'll figure out how to upgrade your accounts. bunni 00:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Digg

I submitted the Saving Private Ryan page to Digg - can you digg it? http://digg.com/movies/A_visual_guide_to_the_guns_of_Saving_Private_Ryan bunni 18:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

Hey Orca, I would like to know how to redirect a page? Thanks. Alienqueen11.

my Email Address

Okay I understand, here it is my Email Address:

Apache0022003@yahoo.com

Thank you very much Orca.

Cover and Poster Categories

Sounds good, I'm still trying to figure out how to use dvd covers in the browse by movie section.

How about [[Category:Poster]] and [[Category:CoverArt]]?

Poster and Cover Art

Good call, Poster and Cover Art works.

Re: Screenshots

You got it buddy, I've started to download The Matrix Reloaded, I'll suffer through it for you. :) bunni 22:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Images

Sorry, I don't have the dvds to get pictures from those movies, but I plan to get more dvds eventually and fill in the pictures once, But I'll try my best until then.

Image

Yeah, I'm thinking it's some kind of Glock too, but the handle has me wondering. I'll have to to do more research. Alienqueen11.

You're now a Sysop, Congrats!

Thanks for all your efforts so far, I finally got the chance to research how to set user privileges and made both you and Alienqueen11 Sysops. You can now ban users, delete and undelete pages, and revert pages to previous versions. Thanks much! Best, Chris WikiSysop 23:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Good News.

Hey Orca, I got some good news for you, I can fill in Bad Boys II for you now because I found a Way to get rid of the black bars that are in widescreen movies. Alienqueen11.

Yep, I'm going to do a quick Snakes on a Plane article first then I'm going to get right on it.

Question

Were in the Freeway chase scene did you see the G36K? Alienqueen11.

Okay, thanks. I'll look there.

Is this it?

Is this it right here?:

That is a G36C. It has two holes in the forend and the smaller carry handle. A G36K has four holes in the forend and usually has a larger carry handle.

Alienqueen11.

screenshot help

I uses CyberLink Powerdvd for my screenshot, but I can tell you it's usually a button called Capture Frame. Alienqueen11.

Re: Screenshot Help

Yeah, it even tops Black Hawk Down, I can't believe how many screenshots I took today! And I'm afraid I can't find your G36K, there is this other part were a DEA agent fires a machine gun out of the passenger window of another black Bronco, but I couldn't seem to identify it. And by the way good luck finding out how to take screenshots.

hey

Hey this is my first try at editing anything so let me know if I'm doing something wrong, OK.

Properly Categorize Images ?

When adding new images how do I properly categorize them. I'm, I suppose to put text in the summary box?Gunner313

Thanks

Hey Orca, I know I probably should have said this sooner but thanks for putting the pages I make up on the gun pages, I highly appreciate it. Alienqueen11.

Question

What's with you and the images lately? Nothing personal, just a question. Alienqueen11.

RE: Question

Oh okay, there's really no problem with it. I'm just more used to the side by side comparison thing. Alienqueen11.

RE: Thanks

No problem, glad it helped somebody. I still have many Dawn of the Dead screenshots to upload, and it looks there's still quite a few guns in there that are going to appear on the site for the first time. Alienqueen11.

oops

My mistake on the BHD 1911 - I was thinking the guy that made the Tokarev ID forgot to delete the 1911 part, I didn't even read it and totally forgot the Delta guys had them bunni 02:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Underworld MP5 ID?

Looks like you're, I took a closer look at it, and it seems to have a telescoping stock. When I first seen it, it looked like his sleeve was covering up part of the stock. I'll fix it right away. Alienqueen11.

Re:Awesome work

Thanks, I'll be sure to put in anything I find. Alienqueen11.

RE: Mystery Pistol.

That is Murtaugh's Smith & Wesson 5906, I'm putting it up right now. Alienqueen11.

There you go

There you go, Orca, that should be everything for Lethal Weapon 4. If there's anything else, be sure to let me know. Anyway, I'm going to go to bed now, so have a good night. Alienqueen11.

Re:M41A Pulse Rifle Info

Thanks, I will be sure to include that in the External links. And yeah, I got pictures of the handgun you mentioned, and also this is why I call myself Alienqueen11.

Aliens

I threw a picture in use it if you want.

Re: Aliens

You're right, it has to have been created from an M16. Alienqueen11.

Thanks

Thanks for helping me with Aliens, it's all finished now. Alienqueen11.

re pictures

I have saved pictures from everywere on the internet for a long time, I am a huge gun nut and movie buff. Most pictures come from gun sites and gun forums. Some pictures came from a webite that doesn't exist any more gunsinmovies.com. That site had so many mistakes and they would never edit it.

Thanks

Thanks for identifying one of the Miami Vice weapons for me. Alienqueen11.

Re:Miami Vice Sniper Rifle

I say go for it, I see some of it's qualities in the Screenshot. And after all I, it matches the variety of guns in the movie. Alienqueen11.

Identification

Hey Orca, do you know what kind of grenades these are? Alienqueen11.

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Re: Identification

It's okay, Orca. I'll just list it as an unknown. Alienqueen11.

King Kong

I'm going to get pictures from King Kong for you, I got one of the Luger which I just put up. I placed it at the bottom of the weapon picture becauise I figured you would like it like that. Alienqueen11.

Re:Thanks

No problem, I enjoyed this movie too. And thanks for commenting on my screenshots. Also, I found this Cannon thing that be was being used by the soldiers too, do you know what is?

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Re:Thanks

That's Okay, I'll look it up. And I'm watching the Patriot Games too, If I see anything I will be sure to list it. Alienqueen11.

Re:Instant Messenger

Yes,I have one on Aim, how would you like me to give it to you. Alienqueen11.

Spam

Hey, Orca, would you consider this spam?

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Wow&rcid=10174

Alienqueen11

Thanks

Thanks, I blocked this same guy for only 2 hours earlier hoping he would learn from it, and told him to take his stuff to the forums, but he didn't listen. Anyway, I was going to block him once it was confirmed as spam, but you got him, so thanks. Alienqueen11.

Pistol

About your pistol, it looks alot like a Smith & Wesson 5906. Alienqueen11.

Valmet M78

It is really Valmet M78/83S http://www.valmetweapons.com/M-78_83S.html

glad to see you back!

Hey Orca haven't seen you around in a while - glad to see you're still active on the site. :) bunni 03:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

image

Uh, just a note. The image you uploaded in Sep 07 "SGside2.jpg‎" is NOT of the WA-2000. It is a photograph of the SG-2000 (Shuster gewehr) Custom .22 target rifle made by Ironwood Designs in San Jose, California. I know. I was the photographer who shot the image and copyright belongs to me and to Ironwood Designs, Inc. Thanks. I would not mind so much but it's of the wrong firearm. - MoviePropMaster2008

re: image

Thanks for the reply. I will be trying to take a pic of the real WA-2000 in the future. Right now I'm trying to get back to the warehouse and pull out some more stuff to take pics of. I know there are some high resolution pics already out there, but I'm probably going to try to take some pics of some PKMs, RPD, DPMs, MAG-58s, FN MK 48, plus some more of the Russian RPG variations. I also have access to every variation of the M60, though I know there are tons of AIRSOFT pics out there, I figured that people wanted to see high resolution pics of the real stuff. I usually just pull stuff out of my own personal inventory but I got two friends who are Title one and two/Plus Destructive Device manufacturers who can get samples of lots of original stuff. Since so many guns have crappy low resolution pics (on sites like Security arms or guns of the world) my holy grail is to get high resolution pics of the RARE stuff or the newer exotic foreign stuff and post them HERE. :) Also, since I've worked on some of these movies or know the guys who have, I will try to fix some of the 'errors' or 'myths' about the productions. There are a LOT of 'Franken-guns' out there, done in the 1970s and 1980s when access to foreign full auto guns was sketchy so special effects guys tried to 'imitate' certain models of guns with slapped-on aluminum or plastic outer housings. Also there are the fictional guns, like the ones for movies like 'Total Recall' or 'Spawn' (where Melinda Clarke used M-11s dummied up to resemble P90s! hahahaha.) I'll try to get pics of THOSE guns as well. :) Thanks and best regards. MoviePropMaster2008

RE: Armeggedon Screenshots

No problem Orca, I enjoy taking screenshots. I also uploaded some screenshots for the Berettas in Independence Day. Alienqueen11

Admin Rights

Hey Orca, are your moderatoring abilities working because I've been unable to ban users since the server change. If can, go to the Commando talk page, and look at the revision history of it, and the first IP at the bottom, and try blocking that user, and see if you get an error message. Bunni is working on this issue right now by the way.--Alienqueen11 04:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Saving Private Ryan

I hope you didn't do anymore SPR shots like Miller with his .45 because I was up all night rescreecapping, with that shot included.... -GM

no big deal then, half the shots didn't save so I had to redo them today, so I left that shot out. I'm gonna start uploading them now. -GM

Re: Admin Rights

Bunni can't seem to be able to find the source of the problem, but he says to make a new account and let him know, and he will see if the Admin rights will work there. He wants to see if the error is caused by the transfer of accounts to the new server.--Alienqueen11 03:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Tears of the Sun

Go ahead, one less thing to do. Just do it justice. -GM

Hey

Hey, Orca, I just wanted to stop by and let you know that we now have the ability to block users back.--Alienqueen11 03:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

HDM

Good call on the HDM. That's technically what the gun is. That particular gun has been sitting in the Title II safe for decades. Don't know if it's been in any movies or not. :) Thanks again.

Re:Jarhead tank

Thanks, I know little about tanks. (I'm obviously more of a gun person). I would have figured whatever mount they put on the tank would be what they would use. I didn't know they specifically used M240s (although I did know they had one lined up with the cannon, one on the loader's hatch.) -GM

Beast of War

I left a note about the Beast of War on Bunni's Talk page, so it hopefully will be fixed soon.--Alienqueen11 19:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Your Glock Request

Hey, I was wondering if you could possibly provide an image of a 2nd-Generation Glock 23 for the article on The Fugitive, since the image for that weapon on the page is of a 3rd-Generation model with accessory rails on the frame as opposed to the smooth-framed 2nd-Generation model seen in the screenshots? I already edited the Glock 22 section similarly for that article and the sequel U.S. Marshals, and was wondering if you could help me out with that one image so I don't have to chase down an image on Google. Thanks in advance.

what? No comments? ;) Uh ... you're welcome.... ;)

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MoviePropMaster2008 07:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I misread that and posted the 3rd generation new pics. Sorry they are of no use to you. Will try but these models are far rarer in 2nd gen than the other models like the 17 and 19. I don't have any 2nd gens myself, but will try to hunt them down and get the pics. As soon as I do, I will post a note in your talk page. :) Again, sorry for the misreading of your request. I have so many ................. MoviePropMaster2008 07:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Orca, just an FYI: There is no such thing as a "3rd Generation" Glock 22 or Glock 23. Only the Glock 17 and Glock 18 were ever made in three versions, the earliest "1st Generation" being the one without the checkered front and backstraps. For any of the other Glock models, from the 19 on up, "1st Generation" means the standard non-railed/checked front and backstraps, while "2nd Generation" means railed frame, finger grooves, and thumb reliefs. -MT2008 (posting from work)

Kill Point

NP on posting screencaps. I dunno about DVD, but these episodes were purchased from iTunes. I only have 4 episodes, but fortunately, they're all those that are particularly gun-intensive, so I should be able to get just about all of the guns on this page, and even a couple you missed (like the Ruger P94 used by one of the 10-13 guys during the subway shootout).

Also, just an FYI: The carbines used by SWAT in firing scenes aren't M653s. You'll see soon when I get some new screencaps of them (there are some GREAT ones from the last episode), but they have 16" barrels and no forward assist. It's far more likely that they're old (1970s-era) AR-15 Sporter carbines. All of the assault rifles on this show are civilian models, which is probably because the budget was so low. -MT2008 17:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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 :Sorry I misread that and posted the 3rd generation new pics.  Sorry they are of no use to you.  Will try but these models are far rarer in 2nd gen than the other models like the 17 and 19.  I don't have any 2nd gens myself, but will try to hunt them down and get the pics.  As soon as I do, I will post a note in your talk page. :)  Again, sorry for the misreading of your request.  I have so many ................. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
-:Orca, just an FYI: There is no such thing as a "3rd Generation" Glock 22 or Glock 23. Only the Glock 17 and Glock 18 were ever made in three versions, the earliest "1st Generation" being the one without the checkered front and backstraps. For any of the other Glock models, from the 19 on up, "1st Generation" means the standard non-railed/checked front and backstraps, while "2nd Generation" means railed frame, finger grooves, and thumb reliefs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] (posting from work)
+::Orca, just an FYI: There is no such thing as a "3rd Generation" Glock 22 or Glock 23. Only the Glock 17 and Glock 18 were ever made in three versions, the earliest "1st Generation" being the one without the checkered front and backstraps. For any of the other Glock models, from the 19 on up, "1st Generation" means the standard non-railed/checked front and backstraps, while "2nd Generation" means railed frame, finger grooves, and thumb reliefs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] (posting from work)
+==Kill Point==
+NP on posting screencaps. I dunno about DVD, but these episodes were purchased from iTunes. I only have 4 episodes, but fortunately, they're all those that are particularly gun-intensive, so I should be able to get just about all of the guns on this page, and even a couple you missed (like the Ruger P94 used by one of the 10-13 guys during the subway shootout).
+Also, just an FYI: The carbines used by SWAT in firing scenes aren't M653s. You'll see soon when I get some new screencaps of them (there are some GREAT ones from the last episode), but they have 16" barrels and no forward assist. It's far more likely that they're old (1970s-era) AR-15 Sporter carbines. All of the assault rifles on this show are civilian models, which is probably because the budget was so low. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)